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Finnman
06-27-2009, 01:20 AM
"Winter War, the Soviet Union's invasion of Finland in November, 1939. The Soviets were convinced they could win the war in a matter of days. No one expected that tiny Finland could resist the highly mechanized Red Army, the largest military force in the world. And no one anticipated that 1939 would be one of the coldest winters in recorded history.

During 105 days of intensely bloody and brutal combat, Finland improvised a devastating and deadly defense, for an environment historians have called a frozen hell.

The Winter War changed the course of what would soon become World War II."
http://www.mastersworkmedia.com/fireandice/

I think Winter war is greatest survival story that have really happened on my country and tells that knowledge and skill is far more important than tools and equipments !


Puukko was used a lot in winter war between Finland and Russia. It was very important tool and efective close combat weapon. Finnish soldiers spent their spare time by whittling different items as a gift to their friends and to send their family at home.

Finnish soldiers also made a lot of knives from material found from battleground. Those were typically made from russian bajonet blade as blade and aircraft aluminum, plastic, leather and birch bark in handles and sheathes. Those were very decorative memorial items.

Russians called finnish ski-soldiers as "white ghosts" and were very afraid of them, cause they appeared from the forests silently dressed in white winter uniforms, cut the necks with their puukkos and disappeared again. There have been found frozen russian groups standing still all neck cutted. Because winter was so cold that body froze immediately when blood escaped from the body. So they were like statues and frightened other russian soldiers.

Close combat and ski-soldiers:
http://www.mastersworkmedia.com/fire...hotoset2-3.htm

in front: wartime knife made from bayonet, aluminum and leather
http://www3.jkl.fi/ksmuseo/haloo/sota/maailmansota4.htm

more wartime puukkos made in field:
http://www.taistokuortti.com/tyypit/...yopuukkoja.jpg

More woodwork done in wartime in field. Very decorative and you can see that they were very skilled use their puukkos:
http://yhdistykset.etela-karjala.fi/...gnatius/11.JPG


What other true stories you know where knives have been in important role?
- Mr. Bowie
- Fairbairn Sykes
- etc..

From fiction first comes to my mind:
- MacGyver and his trusty SAK (inspired me a lot when I was a kid)
- John Rambo and his big bowie type sawback knives (this also but rambo-knives were just so poor quality and basicly useless)
- The Hunted and Tom Brown Tracker knife (never ring the bells)

Ripmyfly
06-27-2009, 01:24 AM
Great post!

GreyOne
06-27-2009, 05:28 AM
The Roman soldier had his "pugio", as well as the gladius.

The Samurai had the Tanto, as well as Katana and Wakazashi.

The old Saxon and other Germanic tribes had the Scramasax.

The khyber knife, the khukri, etc,

ozhaggishead
06-27-2009, 07:09 AM
The Scottish clansman and his Sgian Dubh the last line of defense.Sgian Dubh means black knife gaelic here is a photo of my one.

http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll390/Ozhaggishead/IMG_4500.jpg

GreyOne
06-27-2009, 08:28 AM
The Scottish clansman and his Sgian Dubh the last line of defense.Sgian Dubh means black knife gaelic here is a photo of my one.

http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll390/Ozhaggishead/IMG_4500.jpg

Very nice ! Did you make it, or is it from a a commercial maker? My only Skean Dhu knives are a little plain Rodgers, and a modern Cold Steel version with a black synthetic handle. Both are useful, but not pretty.

ArmoredSheepdog
06-27-2009, 09:33 AM
The Swiss Confederates of 14th-18th century carried a Baselard, it varied in size and shape with it mostly being about the size of a dagger or short sword. I could see these easily being used as a survival knife along the lines of the pukka's. I believe these are what the landsknecht katzbalgers were based on, hell they copied the Swiss on pretty much everything else anyways.

https://www.jboutman.com/mmJBDI/Images/121550.jpg

http://www.medieval-weaponry.co.uk/acatalog/AW5722M-baselard-dagger.jpg

http://www.realmcollections.com/images/p/Functional_Swords_Swiss_Baselard_M5754_2929.jpg

Trekon86
06-27-2009, 11:00 AM
The Zulus and their assegai (short spears) throwing knives, etc.
The headhunters of Borneo (Dayak tribesmen) used their "mandau" swords to behead their enemies, and they also carry normal parangs and goloks for cutting brush and wood for firestartig, shelter building, etc.
From fiction: H. Rider Haggard based most of the Kukuana's weaponry off of the Zulus' and the "Tollas" or heavy throwing knife with iron back and welded steel edge was (I believe) based off of some Zulu and other South African weapons...

PMZ

PWork
06-27-2009, 11:35 AM
The Scottish clansman and his Sgian Dubh ...

I just so happen to have a custom sgian dubh incoming.:D

Finnman
06-27-2009, 11:38 AM
What kind of use that sgian dubh was for? how it have been carried and why it have kind of sawback?

Mountain Ron
06-27-2009, 12:01 PM
Nice post Finnman. I saw a movie a few years back called "Winter War". I've read quite a bit about the Finn-Russian war of 39. Very interesting. Heres a picture that may interest you. Notice the Puukko.

Finnman
06-27-2009, 12:04 PM
Nice pic of finnish soldier. You see that puukko on belt. On that time they preferred 15cm blade instead of normal 10cm blade cause it will penetrater better many layers of russian winter clothes.

PWork
06-27-2009, 12:09 PM
What kind of use that sgian dubh was for? how it have been carried and why it have kind of sawback?


That's not a saw back. It's jimping/file work. I don't know if there is any symbolism attached to it or if it is purely ornamental.

Most call the sgian dubh a "weapon of last resort", but I'm sure they were/are used more as general utility cutters. Carry is said to have been concealed under the arm, later in the top of the stocking.

Mine will be used as a general woods bumming knife set up for neck carry.

PWork
06-27-2009, 12:24 PM
....and let us not forget the Norwegian Viking's tollekniv.http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs20/f/2007/248/d/a/viking_by_vikingoverlord.gif

Leif
06-27-2009, 01:08 PM
My Viking and Norse ancestors and their Scramasax

http://www.lfchosting.com/digitalcanoe/knife/pictures/paulchen/images/scramasax.jpg

Early Anglo Saxons also used these.

PWork
06-27-2009, 01:19 PM
My Viking and Norse ancestors and their Scramasax


Of Norwegian decent I assume?http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs39/f/2008/330/9/d/viking_by_conorschild.gif

Leif
06-27-2009, 01:22 PM
Of Norwegian decent I assume?http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs39/f/2008/330/9/d/viking_by_conorschild.gif

Ja. :cool:

PWork
06-27-2009, 01:25 PM
Ja. :cool:


That makes two of us. Me by way of Orkney.http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs47/f/2009/151/6/f/Viking_1_by_spikelovesmetal.gif

Leif
06-27-2009, 01:30 PM
That makes two of us. Me by way of Orkney.http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs47/f/2009/151/6/f/Viking_1_by_spikelovesmetal.gif

Snakker du Norsk? Hva heter du? Jeg heter Leif.

PWork
06-27-2009, 01:32 PM
OK, I have no idea what you just said.:confused::D

Leif
06-27-2009, 01:36 PM
Easy stuff. I asked if you speak Norwegian and what your name was. I told you my name was Leif. hehehe

PWork
06-27-2009, 01:39 PM
Obviously I don't speak, read, or understand Norwegian.:o

Leif
06-27-2009, 01:42 PM
Obviously I don't speak, read, or understand Norwegian.:o

I have close ties with Norge. Much family there and some family members still speaking it here hehe. Nice to meet you Venn (friend) :D

PWork
06-27-2009, 01:42 PM
Back atcha.:D

Trekon86
06-27-2009, 02:49 PM
Haha Skog that's an awesome name, Leif rocks.
If I could choose a name I'd like a Norse one:D
PMZ

Leif
06-27-2009, 03:03 PM
Haha Skog that's an awesome name, Leif rocks.
If I could choose a name I'd like a Norse one:D
PMZ

Thanks mate! Yes named after Leif Eriksson of course.

Trekon86
06-27-2009, 03:13 PM
Another cool one is Yngve.
I think it means "First Man."
PMZ

Trekon86
06-27-2009, 03:15 PM
Or Yngvar...
Here's a list of Norsk baby names:
http://www.babynamenetwork.com/baby_names/origins/Norse_baby_names.cfm

Of course that's only a tithe of the mythic names you could pull from the Sagas...:D
PMZ

Whitejaw
06-27-2009, 08:11 PM
Thanks for this post Finnman, VERY interesting.

GreyOne
06-27-2009, 08:13 PM
Some of us are a bit more roundabout in the connection, but I would think that Norman ancestry would still count <g>.

And a wee bit 'o the Scots and Irish , as well as the English.
(Some Cherokee reputed as well, if G-Grandma was to be believed.)

Spork
06-27-2009, 08:58 PM
Roald Amundsen

The pocket knife he used to sharpen a stake to fly the Norwegian flag at the South Pole - HERE (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.canterburymuseum.com/page_files/images/page97/amundsens_knife.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.canterburymuseum.com/museum_highlights.asp&usg=__UJlsY9affBn2VEKn0hKye5VpHM0=&h=120&w=120&sz=5&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=DPf1kDA-k8NbmM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3Droald%2Bamunson%2Bknife%26hl%3Den%26s afe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1) ...and a replica of his belt knife - HERE (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.gonorway.no/go/images/amundsenknife1250.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.gonorway.no/go/amundsen.html&usg=__BIANzUV_cZjQuxbtk3V7NSZsZKU=&h=108&w=250&sz=26&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=k8Ajh783_m_wHM:&tbnh=48&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3Droald%2Bamundsen%2527s%2Bknife%2Brepl ica%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1)

ozhaggishead
06-27-2009, 10:02 PM
Very nice ! Did you make it, or is it from a a commercial maker? My only Skean Dhu knives are a little plain Rodgers, and a modern Cold Steel version with a black synthetic handle. Both are useful, but not pretty.

I didn't make this one greyone my wife(then girlfriend)got it for me when we lived in Scotland.All I know is that"some guy in Pitlochry makes them".This wee knife really got interested in making knifes.


I just so happen to have a custom sgian dubh incoming.:D

Good idea mate!!A lot of the sgian dubh made today are total rubbish some are even made in china with plastic handles.Can I ask who is making the knife for you Big Mark prehaps???

ozhaggishead
06-27-2009, 10:15 PM
Found this cool Wartime Puukko photo on flicker...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/luppe/2216304009/in/set-72157594197843053/

Trekon86
06-27-2009, 10:22 PM
Finnman this is a great thread.
Thank you for the info on the finnish snow ghost soldiers!
Very interesting:)
PMZ

GreyOne
06-27-2009, 10:45 PM
Finnman, in reading about the Winter War, I came across a reference to the use of "Mottis" tactics, as in cutting up a convoy like a log.
Can you translate/ explain that idea a bit ?

PWork
06-27-2009, 11:34 PM
Good idea mate!!A lot of the sgian dubh made today are total rubbish some are even made in china with plastic handles.Can I ask who is making the knife for you Big Mark prehaps???


Matt Lesniewski of http://www.mlknives.com/ made it. It's not quite traditional, but a sgian dubh with an early American twist. I should have it Monday...
Here's some pics that Matt took...http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?post/1873797/

ozhaggishead
06-28-2009, 04:50 AM
Looking good PWork,this knife is properly close to what the sgian dubh originally looked like.

Finnman
06-28-2009, 08:43 AM
Found this cool Wartime Puukko photo on flicker...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/luppe/2216304009/in/set-72157594197843053/

This photo is cool! Never seen before. There you can see that aircraft aluminum was important material to make puukkos there :)

PWork
06-28-2009, 10:48 AM
Looking good PWork,this knife is properly close to what the sgian dubh originally looked like.


Thanks. I wanted something like what some crazy old geezer up in the highlands would be carrying. http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/107/2/6/oldster_by_CYCLER.gif

Bushpuukko
06-28-2009, 11:44 AM
Ha! That one is TOO EASY so I'll let you off the hook this time Paul. :D

PWork
06-28-2009, 11:45 AM
Go ahead, set the hook.:D

GreyOne
06-28-2009, 12:11 PM
Crazy geezer ? Where? I didn't see no crazy geezer.
(Why is everyone looking at me like that ?)

:)

Keyser S÷ze
06-28-2009, 09:30 PM
the father of all bushcrafters:D yes hes fictional BUT this comics are a gold mine of bushcrafting and RAHAN is the man with the IVORY KNIFE, that he does everything with it and the knife is his life...i grow up fascinated by this comic book and i still am Rahan is THE MAN i tell you no lies:D:D

ozhaggishead
06-29-2009, 03:38 AM
Thanks. I wanted something like what some crazy old geezer up in the highlands would be carrying. http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/107/2/6/oldster_by_CYCLER.gif

I would say chookter not "geezer" ;)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chookter&defid=622517

ozhaggishead
06-29-2009, 03:41 AM
This photo is cool! Never seen before. There you can see that aircraft aluminum was important material to make puukkos there :)

I wonder how many of those guys in the photo survived the war.

Trekon86
06-29-2009, 11:18 AM
I would say chookter not "geezer" ;)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chookter&defid=622517 (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chookter&defid=622517)

Or "bus kanak":D
PMZ

Trekon86
06-29-2009, 11:19 AM
the father of all bushcrafters:D yes hes fictional BUT this comics are a gold mine of bushcrafting and RAHAN is the man with the IVORY KNIFE, that he does everything with it and the knife is his life...i grow up fascinated by this comic book and i still am Rahan is THE MAN i tell you no lies:D:D

Gaga do you know if there is an English version of Rahan?
Looks like a pretty good comic book!:)
PMZ

Keyser S÷ze
09-28-2009, 09:10 PM
Gaga do you know if there is an English version of Rahan?
Looks like a pretty good comic book!:)

PMZ

its a very very good comic book that has 40 years in the making, every volume that comes out covers some bush-crafty project from making a magnifier fire lens from some volcanic crystals to inventing new weapons like giant crossbows...is way cool here is a sample how he got his knife,
YouTube - Rahan ├ępisode 1 parti 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juYhAwMWCoQ&feature=related)
YouTube - Rahan ├ępisode 1 parti 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL8VfIPU3P0&feature=related)

i dig it a lot:D
YouTube - Episode rahan partie 2/2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1UvQalbURo&feature=related)
YouTube - Episode rahan partie 1/2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO51lLS1Lgs&feature=related)

sticks65
01-29-2010, 10:35 PM
This is the type of sword and shield my Celtic ancestors would have used.

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx338/hazy_01/celtsword.gif

http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab151/sticks65/celtic-shield-16.jpg

sticks65
01-29-2010, 10:39 PM
My Viking and Norse ancestors and their Scramasax

http://www.lfchosting.com/digitalcanoe/knife/pictures/paulchen/images/scramasax.jpg

Early Anglo Saxons also used these.The Seax or Scarasax was also used by the Irish.

English style;)

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx338/hazy_01/800px-Seax_with_replica.jpg

Trailhawk
01-30-2010, 01:19 AM
Here in the PI, legends of the great blades were used by the natives in their war against foreign domination. Lapulapu of Mactan, the slayer of Ferdinand Magellan, used a kampilan. The fierce Tausug, Maranaw & Maguindanao warriors danced in kuntaw against the colonizers with their short and long kris and barong blades. The Warays used their balaraw and pinuti in the battle of Balangiga, Samar. Not to be outdone, the Cebuanos mastered the dance of the blade which evolved into eskrima and arnis.

hog
01-30-2010, 01:53 AM
Snakker du Norsk? Hva heter du? Jeg heter Leif.

Jammer ou kerel maar ons verstaan jou nie, kan jy aseblief engels praat, ou maat.
Dankie.:D

samthedog
01-30-2010, 05:29 AM
Det er nok gutter!! Slapp av og snakke engelsk.

Don't make me start typing Russian as well!!

Paul.

Tomahawk
01-30-2010, 07:50 AM
Here in the PI, legends of the great blades were used by the natives in their war against foreign domination. Lapulapu of Mactan, the slayer of Ferdinand Magellan, used a kampilan. The fierce Tausug, Maranaw & Maguindanao warriors danced in kuntaw against the colonizers with their short and long kris and barong blades. The Warays used their balaraw and pinuti in the battle of Balangiga, Samar. Not to be outdone, the Cebuanos mastered the dance of the blade which evolved into eskrima and arnis.

Lets see the famous home made trailhawk hatchet my friend.

Also - usmc kabar, army demo knives, cattaragus,case,buck,green river etc. have all see use in the american military.

And lets not forget the rambo series - i think he is famous.

tomahawk

45jack
01-30-2010, 08:47 AM
The Winter War is a piece of history everyone can learn from.
I can't recall his name, but there is a Finnish sniper who was devastating.
He used iron sights because a scope would fog up.
J

sticks65
01-30-2010, 09:18 AM
Jammer ou kerel maar ons verstaan jou nie, kan jy aseblief engels praat, ou maat.
Dankie.:DEnglish please as we don't all understand.:rolleyes:

matt.s
01-30-2010, 12:17 PM
6 pages of 'famous men and their knives' on a bushcraft and no mention of Mears' Woodlore or Nessmuk's belt knife?

Trekon86
01-30-2010, 01:09 PM
The Scottish clansman and his Sgian Dubh the last line of defense.Sgian Dubh means black knife gaelic here is a photo of my one.

http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll390/Ozhaggishead/IMG_4500.jpg

Oz is that handle made from dead cactus stalk?
Cool!:)
PMZ

hog
01-30-2010, 01:16 PM
English please as we don't all understand.:rolleyes:

Sori no spik ingleesh.
Wot eez theese?

hog
01-30-2010, 01:18 PM
Jammer ou kerel maar ons verstaan jou nie, kan jy aseblief engels praat, ou maat.
Dankie.:D

Translation-' Sorry old friend but we dont understand, could you please speak english'

Joezilla
01-30-2010, 01:22 PM
Don't forget Crocodile Dundee! If there was someone to thank for how nutso I am today, that fictional character would be it.

Gurkas and their Kukris
Brock Samson and his knife
Mors K continuing to kick butt with his plastic handled Mora
Totch of the everglades and his broken butcher knife

hog
01-30-2010, 02:05 PM
Tarzan
Jack the ripper

Tomahawk
01-30-2010, 02:22 PM
Ben Lilly,

Big foot wallace,

nesmuk,

and can anyone tell what type of knife Sir Ernest is wearing on his belt? the handle and shape looks suspiciously like a Green River Knife.

tomahawk

Tomahawk
01-30-2010, 02:25 PM
6 pages of 'famous men and their knives' on a bushcraft and no mention of Mears' Woodlore or Nessmuk's belt knife?

I thought it was Famous men - not literaries.

tomahawk

Trey
01-30-2010, 02:26 PM
Looks like a Canadian belt knife to me!

randyt
01-30-2010, 02:31 PM
The Winter War is a piece of history everyone can learn from.
I can't recall his name, but there is a Finnish sniper who was devastating.
He used iron sights because a scope would fog up.
J

not sure of the spelling but i think it is simo haya you're referring to.

Tomahawk
01-30-2010, 08:10 PM
Geronimo,

tomahawk

rambo
01-30-2010, 10:51 PM
mac guyver swiss army
bear grylls custom overpriced
les stroud buck others incl leatherman wave the most
rambo!
daniel boone
davy crockett

tennecedar
01-30-2010, 11:56 PM
Jim Bowie?

hog
01-31-2010, 03:48 AM
Harry Wolhutter and his epic lion killing saga and knife.

randyt
01-31-2010, 08:28 AM
dan boone had a nifty knife. he had a extra handle that was put on in order to make it into a flesher for fleshing hides.

tkdlaxer
01-31-2010, 11:20 AM
I think President Lincoln has a cool story about knives. Here is a link to the contents of his wallet, when he was assassinated: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/images/tlc0070.jpg

Notice the pocket knife, and the Confederate bill. many other presidents were known to swear by their case knives as well.

swamprat
01-31-2010, 01:04 PM
I agree with all the statements except "John Rambo and his big bowie type sawback knives (this also but rambo-knives were just so poor quality and basically useless". The original knife for the Rambo movie was made by Jimmy Lyle and his knives were of excellent quality and durable. Unfortunately, the majority if not all other "Rambo Knives" were trash.

Tomahawk
01-31-2010, 03:02 PM
Bert "Yank" Levy - American mercenary.

tomahawk

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo287/tominsudan/BertYankLevy1942.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo287/tominsudan/BertYankLevy19422.jpg

NJStricker
02-01-2010, 09:37 AM
Speaking of the Winter War, this will be of interest to many:

http://www.kainuunpuukko.com/major-tommi-special-289/?vo=0

And Ben Lilly:

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6276819

sticks65
02-01-2010, 01:55 PM
Bert "Yank" Levy - American mercenary.

tomahawk

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo287/tominsudan/BertYankLevy1942.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo287/tominsudan/BertYankLevy19422.jpgA little more on 'Yank, Levy.

http://www.cqbservices.com/?page_id=28



........

Trailhawk
02-02-2010, 04:07 AM
Lets see the famous home made trailhawk hatchet my friend.

tomahawkJungle Wil have seen it. I think I owe you a peek. Will post it soon. I am making a new handle because the one I took picture with is already worn out.

My late uncle (+1976) uses a Garand bayonet defending his "hole" in Bataan.

many knives
03-01-2012, 04:51 PM
cody lundin - mora

crazy horse - various knives
george washington - clochmir (i think thats how its spelled)