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TwinBlade
02-26-2011, 09:20 PM
While browsing the forums tonight, I have a TV show on Discovery called Hogs gone wild which basically outlines the pest problem that they are and how they try to control it.

Ok, I am with you on dogs, taking one out or restraining it to hog tie it or put a knife into the heart. Fine.

But, my question is, are these guys so freaking retarded to NOT carry a sidearm with them??? A lot of this show is in Texas. Doesn't everyone carry a gun in Texas? They are removing hogs from residents that have a LOT of land...don't they have a rifle to go BANG! Dead hog?

I guess I must be very ignorant here...

Help me out a bit please. :dblthumb:

chaindrivecharlie
02-26-2011, 09:53 PM
I use to hunt wild Hawgs in Fla long ago. It is a thrill to catch them alive. Until you do it you want understand. I guess you could compare it to a drug induced high. I used american pit bulls crossed with plot hounds. And Roediesion ridge backs (aka african lion dogs) to catch and hold till tied up. Then we carried them out on a pole. We were crazier than them boys ever thought they were. I sure miss doing that, to old to climb a tree now to evade a mad wild Hawg.

TwinBlade
02-26-2011, 10:08 PM
Charlie I am with you on the hunt. One of my friends is a trad bowyer and lives in Hawaii. He routinely hunts them with his recurve he calls DragonFly. He is also in relocation management, but that is becoming too problematic now, given relocating hogs to an already dense population is almost impossible now. It is simply a matter of how much pork you want to eat and give away now. I like bacon, but that is a lot of bacon if you get my meaning.

I am all over the thrill of the hunt. I guess my inquisition comes more from relocating or killing them as a JOB. Typically, a professional with a dog will be far more conservative than folks like you and others who live for the hunt.

I am just amazed that they do not carry a sidearm. Truly amazed. Your dog gets stuck with a tusk and that pic charges you, I want a .357 mag or a high cap .40 S&W semi auto. Thats just me. I have a family to come home to. :D

indiana_leo
02-26-2011, 10:12 PM
Twin,
I am watching it right now, and this woman from L3 or whatever it is called is a moron! I

I think that is all I have to say..........:(

TwinBlade
02-26-2011, 10:53 PM
Twin,
I am watching it right now, and this woman from L3 or whatever it is called is a moron! I

I think that is all I have to say..........:(

I agree. I have met some pretty tough women in my day with a great deal of common and hunter sense. They could have done a little better with choice regarding the filming of the episode.

OnTheLambWildman
02-26-2011, 11:01 PM
I've watched a few Hog hunting shows and saw a few of these as well. I always wondered the same thing about why don't these people just shoot the damn things. I understand the thrill of the hunt but when dogs or people are coming close to getting seriously hurt like with a huge hog just shoot it. They need to have free hunts and set up a swine soup kitchen in these tough times. :36:

TwinBlade
02-26-2011, 11:36 PM
I always wondered the same thing about why don't these people just shoot the damn things.:

Yup...that is all I can say. Yup. What are we afraid of...making a dent in the population? I will tell you, if I get my dream house in the north woods of Wisconsin, my property...ALL of it...will be hog free. Name a caliber...pert near any. Dead.

I don't have time to waste with that crap. I reload and my property is mine. They are at the bottom of the food chain. Period.

smokewalker
02-26-2011, 11:40 PM
While browsing the forums tonight, I have a TV show on Discovery called Hogs gone wild which basically outlines the pest problem that they are and how they try to control it.

Ok, I am with you on dogs, taking one out or restraining it to hog tie it or put a knife into the heart. Fine.

But, my question is, are these guys so freaking retarded to NOT carry a sidearm with them??? A lot of this show is in Texas. Doesn't everyone carry a gun in Texas? They are removing hogs from residents that have a LOT of land...don't they have a rifle to go BANG! Dead hog?

I guess I must be very ignorant here...

Help me out a bit please. :dblthumb:The easiest way to catch Wild pigs is with a coral trap. The show portrays professional trappers and most of them hunt with dogs and take the pigs alive when trapping is unsuccessful. It is preferred to take them alive and to kill them at the processors.
And yes we do Carry guns in TX and we do shoot hogs. I carry My Combat Mag every day all day when I'm out working mostly for snakes. Hogs tend to be wary of human presence and are only a threat if cornered and then will become VERY Aggressive. The Pig problem Is so bad In my area the State has taken to shooting them from Helicopters it is an expensive way to cut the numbers.

Tireur
02-26-2011, 11:45 PM
Sticking is too easy for Texans, how 'bout a helicopter hog hunt?

YouTube - Freedom Helicopter Hog Hunt High Definition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGC1tjHCSVE)

You need a pest eradication permit, but there are some outfitters that take people up.

TwinBlade
02-26-2011, 11:52 PM
The easiest way to catch Wild pigs is with a coral trap. The show portrays professional trappers and most of them hunt with dogs and take the pigs alive when trapping is unsuccessful. It is preferred to take them alive and to kill them at the processors.


SW, take away the singularity of someone like YOU taking a hog if need be with a firearm.

Why is it preferred to take a pest ALIVE and then processing it? Seems to me to be treated as livestock? Considering pigs are a threat to livestock as we know it, I would still put a bullet in it and save the headache.

really, educate me here. I know you are different than a lot and know you Texans value a good side arm. I am still mystified here after watching this show. I don't see it as any different than some retard reality survival show.

Old Philosopher
02-27-2011, 12:07 AM
This was kicked around in another thread recently. I have still not received a valid answer as to whey they risk their dogs, and their own safety to capture these damn things, just to let some of them go. Shoot the things. If they're worried about diseased meat, burn 'em.
This whole TV show, and the industry it portrays, makes about as much sense as live trapping rats in NYC and relocating them to Jersey! :(

TwinBlade
02-27-2011, 12:17 AM
This was kicked around in another thread recently. I have still not received a valid answer as to whey they risk their dogs, and their own safety to capture these damn things, just to let some of them go. Shoot the things. If they're worried about diseased meat, burn 'em.
This whole TV show, and the industry it portrays, makes about as much sense as live trapping rats in NYC and relocating them to Jersey! :(

This is really my entire premise for the post.

Shoot the damn things. Why are we messing around with BS? Is there a population control issue? a PETA lawsuit?(not valid anyways IMO) an ethics violation?

I see it as as a mouse in my house...dead. Unwanted.

It is an interesting show, just a bit short on common sense and brain power.

Old Philosopher
02-27-2011, 12:50 AM
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It is an interesting show, just a bit short on common sense and brain power.
I guess you and I are just to simple minded to get it. I mean, if there were 50 hogs in an area 10 years ago, and now there are 5,000, I guess that means we should trap them, tag them, release them, and study them for another 10 years to figure out if they are breeding and multiplying.

For anyone in doubt, that was heavy sarcasm!

smokewalker
02-27-2011, 12:52 AM
There are so many hogs here(in Tx) eradication is all but impossible it is more population control than any thing. A sow will through 6-8 piglets twice a year. and pigs are like teenagers with hormones on steroids. I was reading not long ago and it was stated that by killing 400 head a day everyday numbers will still continue to grow. It is not only the diseases they can carry but also crop & infrastructure damage and the threat to live stock. I kill every one I run up on same as a coyote.
I good friend of mine has a Bad hog problem last week 5 of us shot 26 in 4 hrs just ridin around tossin back a few cold ones and checking fences. He corralled 4 more in another pasture. I'll leave the live capture to the Professionals.

Old Philosopher
02-27-2011, 01:25 AM
There are so many hogs here(in Tx) eradication is all but impossible it is more population control than any thing. A sow will through 6-8 piglets twice a year. and pigs are like teenagers with hormones on steroids. I was reading not long ago and it was stated that by killing 400 head a day everyday numbers will still continue to grow.
That's just nuts! And yet 'authorities' won't step up to the plate. Sounds like it's every man/woman for themselves in this war.

It is not only the diseases they can carry but also crop & infrastructure damage and the threat to live stock. I kill every one I run up on same as a coyote.
I good friend of mine has a Bad hog problem last week 5 of us shot 26 in 4 hrs just ridin around tossin back a few cold ones and checking fences. He corralled 4 more in another pasture. I'll leave the live capture to the Professionals.
So...are hogs like crows? You kill a few and the rest get the message and move out?

TwinBlade
02-27-2011, 01:50 AM
Sticking is too easy for Texans, how 'bout a helicopter hog hunt?

YouTube - Freedom Helicopter Hog Hunt High Definition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGC1tjHCSVE)

You need a pest eradication permit, but there are some outfitters that take people up.

:dblthumb::dblthumb::dblthumb::dblthumb:

GreyOne
02-27-2011, 11:24 AM
SW, take away the singularity of someone like YOU taking a hog if need be with a firearm.

Why is it preferred to take a pest ALIVE and then processing it? Seems to me to be treated as livestock? Considering pigs are a threat to livestock as we know it, I would still put a bullet in it and save the headache.

really, educate me here. I know you are different than a lot and know you Texans value a good side arm. I am still mystified here after watching this show. I don't see it as any different than some retard reality survival show.

The area I am in , live traps are used some. They can take a live hog in and sell it at the farm auction. It may be worth it for some , but most just kill them.

The guys I know are using 30-30 , 12 ga. or up , and yes they carry side arms. :)The TV show was looking for the biggest drama hounds they could find, to give the show some hype. No more representative of Texas than Michael Vick is of dog owners, to make an analogy. ;)

Old Philosopher
02-27-2011, 11:30 AM
I was LMAO over the great white hunter in Hawaii who 'doesn't like to kill them', but then went hunting with a bow. Okay, I get the use of a bow in a residential area in crowded Hawaii, but why not a crossbow, and why the hell was he all dressed up in camo with a face mask IN THE DARK? TV shows...bleh! :p And are we to believe that a 'professional' would actually crawl into a hog run after a 400 pound wounded boar? :rolleyes:

Bush Otter
02-27-2011, 11:42 AM
It is obvious that these animals are tough , prolific and mean as hell on a good day.
I watched a short bit of the show last night but don't like to see the dogs getting hurt , those folks I saw were on foot and this leaves a lot of time for bad stuff to happebn to the dogs.
I know some folks who hunt horseback with dogs and guns which helps catch up and deal with a POed boar.
I have mentioned on other hog threads that I have seen live traps where the hunters would come in and casterate the boars and then turn them loose which may help with over population but also makes the bigger boars taste better on the plate.

ohski
02-27-2011, 12:00 PM
I watched about 2 min of the show and changed the channel... I didn't get it either.

On a side note I have a funny but true story... back in 1997 when I was stationed out in California (on the central coast) I bought a new truck from a guy who's nickname was "Pork Chop". He invited me on a hog hunt, (didn't use dogs though I can see how they could help) I didn't get a shot in but had a good time none the less. Our group did get 7 that day and about a week later had a nice party/hog roast.

Old Philosopher
02-27-2011, 12:12 PM
I've never had to deal with actual 'wild boar', but I had a run-in with domestic hogs that had been abandoned on a farmstead after the owner was carted off to the nursing home. I was bowhunting for rabbits, and suddenly got rushed by 6 of these suckers that came out of nowhere. There was one lone dead cottonwood in the pasture, and I spent a wonderful 6 hours up that snag. Every time I tried to get down to make a run for it, they'd charge the tree. A couple of them had good sized visible tusks. They were all in the 300 pound range. Bloody beasts.....!
Since that time I've raised pigs. I had one try to take a chunk out of my backside while I was filling its feed trough. It was hanging in the shed the next morning... :p

myrmecophile
02-27-2011, 12:15 PM
So...are hogs like crows? You kill a few and the rest get the message and move out?

They will change their behavior patterns. Usually they go nocturnal. Shoot enough and they will move to your neighbors property.

Many dog hunters don't use firearms because they are too likely to shoot the dogs. At $1800 plus for a proven hound I can understand that. With good dogs they don't need guns anyway.

Hogs will have up to three litters per year. Seven to eight piglets in each litter. Nine to ten of these will survive to reproductive ages. Research shows that if you remove about 60 percent of the population each year their numbers will remain constant without growth or shrinkage.

If you want to make any headway on reducing a population you need to use multiple tactics. Start with trapping - most trapping is done incorrectly by the way. Then go to shooting and dogs. Research has shown focusing on young is the most effective for long term population reductions. Then for the last few, use a judas pig to find them. In short it takes lots of time, money, and skill to be effective.

Most property owners don't like the damage and will fuss all day long, but then they like the hunting rights revenue.

As an invasive species specialist for Clemson University I get more questions about feral hogs than anything except fire ants.

chaindrivecharlie
02-27-2011, 12:19 PM
Way back when I use to hunt Hawgs. There were 2 camps of thought on how to. One with gun hunting and the other with dogs. You seen the dogs injured on the show. I am not here to say bad. But anyone who uses a big dog is looking for a hurt dog. As I stated earlier mine were a mixed purebreed. I never ever had any cut by hawgs. And believe me I have caught some as big as 475lbs. Even in the dark of night, slippin thru. But my dogs were well trained and hunted 5 days a week. And trained to stay close to me, for my benefit as well as theirs. I have sewed dogs with as many as 200 hundred stiches for other people. Not anyone I hunted with, but those who know my reputation. And they got a dose of what for when I was doing it. What you see on TV is animal control, not huntin. And maybe a little made for TV, more than anything else. In Florida, Hawgs are considered cattle. And if they are on your property they are yours. And if you are caught catching them on said property( poaching ). 10 years or 10,000 can be the sentence you would be lookin at. Also what you see in Florida on the show. Use to be the Hawgs home not mans. They have moved right into their living area and expect them to be gone now. Any way that is my explaination and rant. Yall have a good day, Ya hear.

Myxinikela
02-27-2011, 01:45 PM
Myrmec
What's the recommended trapping method(s)?

I came to the show late, when there were about 7 or 8 pigs in a rancher's field. I couldn't understand why they didn't just shoot them. At first I thought they ran guided hunts so I could see why they didn't, but then realized that it was a nuisance removal outfit. It was sloppy way to run that sort of business. At least they could have tranqillized and then stuck them.

I understand that part of the spread has come from game farm escapes, but mostly from misbegotten hunters that transplanted them for hunting opportunities.

TwinBlade
02-27-2011, 02:47 PM
The TV show was looking for the biggest drama hounds they could find, to give the show some hype. No more representative of Texas than Michael Vick is of dog owners, to make an analogy. ;)
And yet it is still considered "reality".

:D

I think the analogy fits.:dblthumb:

myrmecophile
02-27-2011, 03:03 PM
Myrmec
What's the recommended trapping method(s)?

Like a lot of trapping there is some art that goes with the science, but here are some general rules to get you started.

1. Corral type traps are the way to go. The bigger the better. The idea is that you want to catch the entire sounder at one time. It is not uncommon to capture 20 to 40 hogs when everything goes right. Round, no corners they will pile up in the corners and jump the fence. Any individuals that escape will likely never be caught in a trap ever again. The fence has not been invented that will always hold hogs. Build it strong - fence posts on the outside and plenty of them.

No tops - nontarget species such as deer and turkey will be able to get out

Box type traps are a waste of time unless you are have a problem with a single individual.

2. Use rooter or saloon type doors so that others can get in after the trap has sprung, but they can't get out. Doors are available commercially. If you are handy with a welder there are several web sites with plans. Guillotine type doors only keep them in and are a one time shot.

3. They have good noses so use rubber gloves and boots.

5. Scout a good location, along a trail but not on a trail. Near a wallow. Near a rub etc. Use your game camera/s to tell you what type of activity is in the area.

6. Prebait. Get the entire sounder coming to the trap and going in before you set it. Game cameras are a big help. You may not even want to put the door on until after they are making regular visits.

Lots of different baits. Which is best is like asking what is the best knife on this site. Everyone has an opinion and reason. Common baits - corn (dry, shelled, on the cob or fermented), diesel fuel, sweet feed, jello (lots of debate on best flavor), fish heads, pheromones, urines, essentially any thing that smells.

7. Try not to disturb a set more often than you have to. Check prebait or trap from a distance with binoculars if you are able. I know that isn't possible in all habitats.

8. Once you catch the hogs - kill them in the trap. It is hard, and in some places illegal to load them - not to mention dangerous. Any escapees will likely never enter a trap ever again. Show no mercy and don't mess around.

Most common mistakes I see are bad location of the trap (they don't work in places where hogs don't go), box type traps (or small traps), one time doors (guillotine), tops on the traps, lack of prebaiting (do lots of work before you set the trap and there will be less work after - except for processing).

For every rule I've listed there will be exceptions. There are also little details that only experience seems to teach - Those things a good trapper does, but doesn't know why, may not even know they do it, but it works.

Old Philosopher
02-27-2011, 03:15 PM
Like a lot of trapping there is some art that goes with the science, but here are some general rules to get you started.
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You are a fountain of knowledge, sir! Thank you for taking the time.
(PS: not bad for an ant guy! ;))