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    Declination kills me until i do it in the field. I cant teach it well but i can show it... make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cellis View Post
    The one thing I would fault it with is declination teaching by the way. I had that nailed before they taught it and now I am completely confused about it after reading that part over and over.
    Yeah, I'd have to agree with you there.

    And "East is least and west is best" has to be about the most unhelpful mnemonic ever coined.

    Instead of approaching it as a matter of "doing math", as it were, what worked for me was to just too study and absorb a map like this...

    DeclinationMap_US.jpg

    The map lets me see how declination works, and I can always picture how my needle is naturally going to veer east or west, depending on which side of the agonic line I'm on. Once you've got this in your head, when you're out in the field actually doing it -- like Schnick says -- you can fairly easily correct for declination by a thought process like "OK, I know declination is 7 degrees... I'm east of the agonic line, so my compass needle is veering <--- that way, toward the agonic line. I'll compensate by adding 7 degrees ---> that way."
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    This site will give you you're current declination. Helpful if you're using an old topo.
    http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/Declination.jsp
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    I thought 'east least, west best' had to do with converting grid north to magnetic north or vise versa. If the you want magnetic north on the map and it's east of grid north, subtract, if it's west, add. I may be way off though, I'm very new to navigation.

    Quote Originally Posted by BradGad View Post
    Yeah, I'd have to agree with you there.

    And "East is least and west is best" has to be about the most unhelpful mnemonic ever coined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BradGad View Post
    Yeah, I'd have to agree with you there.

    And "East is least and west is best" has to be about the most unhelpful mnemonic ever coined.

    Instead of approaching it as a matter of "doing math", as it were, what worked for me was to just too study and absorb a map like this...

    DeclinationMap_US.jpg

    The map lets me see how declination works, and I can always picture how my needle is naturally going to veer east or west, depending on which side of the agonic line I'm on. Once you've got this in your head, when you're out in the field actually doing it -- like Schnick says -- you can fairly easily correct for declination by a thought process like "OK, I know declination is 7 degrees... I'm east of the agonic line, so my compass needle is veering <--- that way, toward the agonic line. I'll compensate by adding 7 degrees ---> that way."
    It's interesting to compare the 2010 map to one made in the 90's.
    Back then the agonic line passed thru the NW tip of Florida and passed thru NE Minnesota. It's shifted some in the years...

    Yeah.. If I dont have a compass in front of me, I'm confused. E
    asy for me though, instead of 5 degrees east, in a few weeks I'll be 5 degrees west! LOL

    Watch me get it wrong the first time out... HEH HEH!

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    Looks like I know what I am doing on my Three day weekend. Thanks for all the videos

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    Keep the good info coming folks!
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    Iz a trick I read in a book (could not find it but will edit so they get the credit) for a back azimuth is too just box the south end of the needle as north. I had not heard the LARS rule before that is way easier to remember then the "East is least and West is best" thing. Thanks for your videos.

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    Great thread, Shnick. I'll give a +1 to Kellstrom's book as well. Most compass and orienteering folk I know wax poetic about the book .... and it was a useful primer for me as well.

    A good addition to this thread would be smartphone navigation apps (for iPhone and Droid). I wish I had the time to go into detail about my fave iPhone apps. But that will have to wait for another day.

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