Better Prepper Vehicle: Jeep vs. Pick Up

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  1. XMP

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    I'm trying to make a vehicle decision that I'll be stuck with a long time. Setting aside EMP issues, since either vehicle will be fairly new and full of electronics, what would you rather have for a long term emergency, a Jeep Rubicon or a Full sized pickup truck. The Jeep would have superior off-roading capability, but less hauling capacity. What do you imagine would be more advantageous and why?
     
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    extended cab 4x4 truck -- better storage, towing capacity, a back bench you can sleep on without losing storage capacity, the ability to add a camper shell, better stock ground clearance, frequently better gas mileage, the ability to have a stock diesel, etc...
     
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    I own a jeep(crd diesel) myself,had a few suv s,really love them,cant stand being in a car,but for an emergency vehicle,pick up truck all the way,a real 4x4 pick up,can be tuned and modified to suit your needs,can carry more than a jeep,can haul a lot if you choose a diesel engine,i simply think its a better vehicle for your needs...
     
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    Well, as the last storm here showed us. There wont be any fuel. So it wont matter :4:
     
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    Yup cant argue with that haha!
     
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    Pick up all the way. If you just think about hauling spare fuel, it eliminates the jeep due to fumes. I know you said full size (which I am crazy for b/c of the availability of diesels), I would also consider a 4 door Tacoma. I had an x-cab taco that I loved: it performed like crazy off road in stock form, great mileage on the "trail", and on a few occasions I think I carried it's weight in the bed.
    After pounding my head over vehicles my whole life (because I love them) I have whittled my options down to this; any 4runners, as long as it doesn't have the 3.0v6, any tacoma (prefer 4door), a landcruiser, and a full size p/u (only with a diesel).
     
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    I've got a Toyota FJ Cruiser and I love it! That is one tough vehicle.
     
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    Ugly but functional. That fits the Jeep name just about right.

    Have you ever tried to pull the spare from under pickup after one of the rears goes down? Not fun on flat hard ground, downright dangerous to impossible if muddy or off-road.
     
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    I'll take my TJ with the 4x6 trailer with 15" wheels. Manuverability on trails is much better. I would like a small turbo-diesel though...

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    Tough choice but for me it would be a 4-door Jeep Wrangler, since I just bought a new one :) I have had pickups over the years and I found that I seldom used the back end. Yeah, you can haul more but it is not very secure and ask yourself how often will you be hauling something, only you know that answer.

    If a diesel 4x4 pickup with a crewcab would fit in places you may have to go, then that would maybe be a good choice. I recall using one on a trip and man, it was hard getting that thing in to places and out again. We went on a genuine Jeep trail with it and could not back out, turn around or bail. We had to carefully work our way along and it was scratched from one end to the other when we finished. Luckily it belonged to the government:)

    So, for my thinking, a 4-door Jeep. My 2012 model has averaged 19.5mpg so far and that is all around town.
     
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    If I had it to do over I would have ordered the Toyota Tacoma from Europe with the little badass diesel engine instead of the gas v6 I have now.

    Damn hindsight!
     
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    Whoa you have this!?! That's awesome!
     
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    yep R_W....i think thats a fine spot for a spare (s)

    i've been through a bunch of 4x4 p/u's ---Fords.......& a dodge w/ a v10 w/ rear locker that was surprisingly good in sand for such a pig (w/o even airing down)

    current vehicle is 06 Rubi w/ minor mods....and horrible mileage aside (need spare cans for any sort of range)...it's the one i would trust most
     
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    I've been debating the same thing. A 4 wheel drive pickup would fit more gear and you'd be able to go where you need to. On the other hand, if you were to get a trailer for your jeep, that would even things out. I came across this jeep not to far from where I live. I kind of want to make one like this, and get a military surplus trailer for hauling gear.

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    What exactly is that? How do I get one? Do they come used? That's probably all I could afford.
     
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    THAT, is a Unimog -- the Mercedes (literally) of off=road vehicles. That, is the holy grail of offroad vehicles. You probably can't afford a used one, either.
     
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    Well, one can dream. Thanks for the info! I guess I should have recognized the Mercedes symbol. :)
     
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    That is where they used to be kept for trucks. I actually prefer that the spare is accessible and not under the bed.
     
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    Going with a jeep or a pickup I would go with a grand cherokee. You can get just about as good offroad performance as a wrangler and you can fold the seats down and get a lot of gear on the inside. Throw a basket on the roof and you get more storage. I own both a grand cherokee and a 00 tahoe and for the idea of having to do any mods for offroad I would go jeep everytime. To get even a mild lift on the newer trucks costs big money. Where with the jeep you spend about $800 and can go just about anywhere. It has the 4.0l motor so you can find parts just about anywhere as well. As for carrying fuel you can put it on the roof and not worry about fumes. But to me the ability to get parts just about anywhere is a huge factor.
     
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    In almost 40 years of owning almost every conceivable type of 4wd vehicle, from the old Isuzu Amigo to a full size crew cab Silverado with an 8' bed (read: damn near tractor trailer sized), I think I have finally settled on the perfect (for me) vehicle. Without going into brand names, the best all around vehicle seems to be the crewcab, regular bed, 4wd pickup. As said by others, carrying capacity, comfort, and versatility are pretty much unmatched in a newer version of these. I don't plan on ever buying anything different. Ultimately though, you will need to evaluate your specific needs. Good luck in your search brother!

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    To answer the OP, I'd go with a Jeep, but with a caveat: get the Unlimited (4-door).

    Since this is a "prepper" topic, I am seeing the use for this being in situations that people don't like talking about here, so I won't go further. But suffice it to say, the ability of Jeeps (including the Unlimited) to get in places a full sized pickup can't can be a major advantage. The smaller trucks like a Tacoma can squeeze into the same places an Unlimited can.

    Advantages of the Unlimited: nearly twice the owing capacity of a standard Wrangler.
    Longer wheelbase makes it far more stable on the road and offroad.
    Can carry 4 people and as much cargo as a standard Wrangler with its rear seats out (how much? You can get at least 8 GI-sized duffle bags in the back if you don't mind stacking them). Or, you can carry two and fold down the rear seats for more carriage capacity.

    Want to carry more equipment or lots of fuel cans? There are some very nice safari-type cargo racks that can go over the top. The best are the ones that attach to aftemarket steel bumpers. Best part about using these, is you can, with proper loading, keep the center of gravity of the vehicle right in the sweet spot, instead of making it ass-heavy.

    When I need lumber or something, I just attach my little trailer (like the ones you see lawn service guys using), and unlike a pickupo, I'm not carryin my "trailer" with me everywhere.

    I'd been a long-time pickup guy, but I went all-in with the Jeeps after owning one. In stock form my Jeep can go the same places with just as much ease as my massively upgraded 4x4 trucks could, and I don't have a Rubi.

    In my last truck, I was smiling when I could squeeze 17MPG out of it. I average 22MPG with the Jeep, and even when I have to do a lot of city driving I haven't dropped below 20. Now, you have to let the Jeep teach you to drive it. Smooth take-offs, few stops (when I see a red light waaay ahead I just take my foot off the gas and coast. Usually I can get away without having to stop, which saves gas and my brakes), and driving so slow the blue-haired old ladies give me the finger as they pass all help (in reality 55 is your friend, and I don't go more than 65 even on the interstate -- that's why you see a lot of Jeeps just get in the slow lane and stay there).

    The question to Rubi or not comes down to your long range plans. The Rubicon come with the most common upgrades that Jeepers usually do already installed. If you plan any major drivetrain changes (like going to Dana 60 axles,Atlas transfer cases, etc -- desirable if you do a major power upgrade to a diesel or v-8 engine -- you will be replacing most of the Rubicon's upgrades and pissing away money for a sticker). In all honesty, most people will never do anything that the Rubicon can't handle. Really most won't do anything a Sport won't handle.

    The big con of a Jeep is that once you buy one, it's like you fall into an endless sea of aftermarket upgrades. Hence one of the acronyms of JEEP is Just Empty Every Pocket. They also area bit like dogs and are happiest getting covered in dirt and mud. You'll find yourself aiming for big mud puddles, climbing every little dirt pile and hill you can find, look for as many dirt roads as you can find on the way home, climbing the pile dup snow in the mall parking lot, etc. I often get asked how I got dirt on TOP of my Jeep, LOL.

    So that's my argument for the Jeep. There's any number of guys that could make just as good an argument for a pickup or an SUV. What you really want is a Unimog. What you have to do is look at the choices you can actually afford, and pick what suits what you want to do, and the way you want to do it best.
     
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    Son of a b------!

    Thanks.


    Thanks a lot.

    Now I have to figure out how to not spend $11k+ in the next few months. GAH!

    :4:
     
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    Thanks for all the responses. Let me put my original question into more specific context. I already own a 2004 2 door Jeep Wrangler and a 2011 GMC Crew Cab (V8 gas engine). I love the Jeep, but its tiny inside. My pickup is roomy and powerful and will haul a lot more. But its not really a bushwacker vehicle (and actually tough to use for daily driving, because its HUGE). So, I am trying to decide if keeping the truck with its hauling capacity and ready made shelter (with its topper) is better, or if a Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon would be a better choice, since it would provide a lot more cargo space than my 04TJ, but still have the offroad versatility that my truck is less than ideal at.
     
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    Not that this is an answer to your question... you're not looking at something like this.

    I think something like a Subaru Outback makes the most sense. Good-enough scrambling, stretches that last tank of gas much further, and it would be pretty comfortable to sleep in.
     
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    Its a tough question to really answer. With front and rear lockers stock, the rubicon will go places most trucks could only dream of. Unless you buy a Raptor.

    What kind of activities will you be doing until TSHTF? When TSHTF, are you gonna take the path that leads through the rock quarry? Or do you want a truck with a cattle scoop on the front to push the road obstacles off the road?

    My preference would be the rubicon. I have access to a trailer that i use to haul lumber or other dirty stuff that wont fit in cargo space. When hauling smaller stuff i can lock it in the back. Thats my .2 cents
     
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    You really should take a look at a 4-door Wrangler Unlimited. They have a fair amount of space inside, as much as most other SUV's. I just sold a Chevy Trailblazer than I owned for 8 years and the Jeep has almost the same amount of rear storage as the Trailblazer. The back seat has more space than the Trailblazer. The rear sear folds flat, or nearly flat and provides a way to carry larger items. I can sleep in the back, if needed.

    I have some experience with older, 2-door Wranglers and CJ-7's, there is a lot of difference in the 4-door Unlimited, the ride is much better, not nearly as rough and the space inside is not even the same, much more storage for trips and gear.

    The idea of a surplus military jeep trailer, is an excellent one. It does not take away much off-road capability and you can still haul as much as a pickup. The trailer can also be packed and parked in your garage or a storage locker and when you want to take off, just hitch it up.

    On the mileage subject, the 2012/13 Wranglers get a lot better mileage and have 80 more horsepower than the 07-11 Unlimiteds. The engine is newer and different. It is also very complex, internally, which can add power and efficiency but also be way more difficult to fix if broken. I am not looking forward to running out of warranty. I will probably have to buy another new one when the warranty expires. Something to consider is ease of repair and costs
     
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    Yep, love the side mounted spare. Had a jeep Comanche years ago with a side mount...

    Regards,

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    I second the Toyota Tacoma comments. I have the 4 door SR5 with a camper shell on the back and roof rack on top of the shell. Goes everywhere my FJ40 goes but much more comfortably and can go twice as far. I have comfortably slept in the back of it many nights.
     
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    I realize that it's easy to get to the spare that way, but he also needs to drive around town, and I'm sorry, that sh#t is ugly!
     
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    Not to mention the fact that it is rough on the frame, look how many 88-98s Chevys have the frame & spare tire carrier rusted at the rear spring hangers. I made a tube tailgate with tire carrier for my 93 to prevent it from happening to mine.
     
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    Going back to thier WW II roots
     
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    Yes, I think it looks very retro. It'd be nice if they added a spare to the other side too. How many pickups are packing two spares? :D
     
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    I bought a 4 dr wrangler new in 2010 after years of pickup trucks. The Jeep is tons more versatile unless you are trying to haul bulky items like plywood or lumber and stuff. Also , even the 4 dr Jeep is a more balanced vehicle and not front heavy like most pickups. Every pickup I had needed weight in the back to drive properly in the winter.
    That said , a 4wd pickup would be my second choice after a Jeep. I'll never own a regular car again if I can help it. I am in central Alberta and afaiac , if you don't have a 4by here in the winter you're just crawling at best.

    Also . I have a wife and son so a 4 dr. is the only option. Even so , with the 3 of us and gear it's packed solid. The 2 dr. would ONLY be an option if you were a single guy and wanted to bring gear with you ( outside of having a trailer , which would limit your off road capabilities greatly.) Jmho. Pete

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    I think the debate isnt about what would work best for a person, but what that person prefers.
    We're comparing an orange to an apple. Both taste good, but the similarity ends there.
    Both vehicles have capabilities the other does not.
    I own a 04 Grand Cherokee Overland. Not because I dislike trucks, it's what I prefer as a daily driver.
    The likelyhood of using it for a daily driver (to me) greatly outweighs the "someday I'll need that capability" need.
    I'll worry about capacity if & when "it" happens.
    I can go places remote enough to get me away from it all. If called upon, I'm sure it can get me out also.
     
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    /\/\/\ Yup, most people here in NE Iowa put weight in the back of the pickup once the snow starts sticking around.
     
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    Yup, did the same in WIS. sandbags, cinder blocks, mother in laws...
     
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    Unimogs rule! I need to find one.
     
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    Unfortunately, I need something that can do double duty as a daily driver. I don't think the Unimog will cut it (or fit in my garage for that matter).
     
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    Not exactly what you were asking about, but after being a truck guy for most of my life, I went to a Suburban. I always had a shell on the back of my trucks, I wanted security for my gear, and always had a place to sleep. I went to extra cab trucks, which made them too long for daily use with a standard 8' bed, or compromised space in the back, and unless 4 door, were just large enough to be usable, but inconvenient to carry extra people. People suggested Suburbans in the past, but I never considered them good for what I did, partly because of the body flexing on bad backroads/trails. I dont do much of that any more (got tired of getting stuck a lot in snow and mud), and eventualy saw the light with the Suburbans. I like the folding seats, which are mostly down for my dogs to have room, but are easy to flip up to carry people. I also like the rear AC and heat for the dogs or people.

    I built a shelf in the back about 3-3 1/2' deep that the dog likes to ride on to look around, and I have full time room for gear underneath. I can move the gear and have room to sleep with my legs under the shelf. There's also room for a full 8' sheet of plywood in the back if I need to carry sheet stock, and room for 12' boards inside up to the front window. I good rack would help in carrying gear, but the factory rack works for a lot of things. I also use a rear hitch mounted shelf/rack for stuff I dont want to carry inside, like dead deer and gas cans, tho with 40 gallons of fuel on board, I dont carry it for the rig, but to get fuel for my work truck which I dont drive to town often. The main downside for me is the mileage, but considering what I can do with with it, I can't complain too much. It also depends on how fast I drive it as to the mileage.

    First thing I've done with both the Suburbans I've had was toss the 3rd seat. Nothing but a nuisance to me, room for 5 people was enough, and still lots of room for gear, especially with the shelf I built.
     
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    I love my avalanche but that said I do not believe a vehicle no matter how great is going to be that useful in a shtf scenario.

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    If you are tall like me and like Jeeps but think they are lacking in the leg room you probably would think the same thing about a Unimog. I wish I could afford but I'd have to have custom seat mounts made to position them further back to be a comfortable driver for me.

    Someone else said the Toyota Hi-Lux (diesel Tacoma). I like my 2005 Taco but I hate the bed. Not wide enough to haul full sheets of plywood and to short to haul 10' 2xStock without needing a flag. It had nice power for its size and can haul an ok amount of weight but I'd still rather have a full size when it comes times to haul stuff.

    My vote goes to diesel 3/4 ton or larger truck BTW.
     
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    I like trucks for their built in ruggedness. Tonight I got rear ended by a Hyundai Santa Fe. I have my trailer hitch in as we've been moving my mom into a smaller place. My 02 Tundra is fine, but the Santa Fe needs a new front bumper, grill, and radiator. It was not a hard hit either, my truck barely moved.
     
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    you should get both,,i did wife drives the truck,with all are goods loaded in it an my jeep i use as a scout vehicle.. worked out pretty good last week on our tsunami scare..
     
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    Your original questions is kind of a hard one... I've had my F250 for over 10 years now and I plan on having it at least a few more. That being said I would take a 2 door Jeep for the over all manuverability. I think if it came down to a 4 door Jeep or a truck I think the truck wins hands down.

    As a side note since we are talking "prepping" I would look into a reciever mounted winch for whatever you chose.

    Ski
     
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