Bleeding control kit help!

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  1. Panzer

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    I want to be a little more prepared when it comes to controlling bleeding when in the field. I have a basic kit but want something more robust.

    Hoping someone can help with info on a kit that is already to purchase that has what I need.
     
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    North American Rescue C.O.R.E. Kit. Best value for the money out there at $65.
     
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    I was just doing some research on this myself. I really liked some of the information I found on YouTube by a guy who goes by Skinny Medic. Worth checking out imho.
     
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    I havent used but its literally legendary, yarrow.

    You just gave me the urge to make an all natural first aid kit. btw.

    I would carry yarrow before anything else and its legendary for its ability to stop bleeding. natural anticeptic. one of the 4 fever breaker wild medicinals.

    Maybe check ouy some military type trauma pads.
     
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    2x2s, 4x4s, four 3" roller guaze, CAT tourniquet, QuikClot Z guaze.

    Should cost about $70.
     
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    Good list^


    I always have 3M Coban/Vet wrap as well. Works great for pressure dressings and sticks to itself so no tape etc. It's multi-purpose and can be used for splinting, etc as well. Handy stuff.....And it comes in pretty colors :4:
     
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    Why do you want a pre-packaged kit?

    Medical kits are like survival kits.
    There are some okay ones out there for sale but the best ones you make yourself.

    This allows you to have one that fits your needs and capabilities.
     
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    Get yourself a few Israeli Bandages, they are cheap and very sufficient. Most have tie ons attatched to the bandage.

    Amazon.com: israeli bandage

    I also have a quick clot sponge and some first aid single packs. Also from amazon.
     
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    Better yet, sign up for a 2 day Wilderness First Aid class like I did and then you'll really know what you want to have in your kit.

    My write up with pictures: Sun To The North: First Aid In The Wilderness

    Here is an outline of the 16 hour WFA course:
    • Learn how to administer first aid in a wilderness context.
    • The Patient Assessment System
    • Creating evacuation plans and wilderness emergency procedures
    • Spinal cord injuries
    • Shock
    • Head injuries
    • Wilderness wound management
    • Athletic injuries
    • Fracture management
    • Cold injuries
    • Heat injuries
    • Altitude sickness
    • Lightning
    • The Medical Patient
    • Anaphylaxis.
    It also qualified me for my state's Epinephrine Auto-Injector Certification

    regards,

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    I always carry a quickclot when I know I will be using an axe on a trip.
     
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    If you do not want to order from a bunch of places I would suggest contacting Rescue Essentials. They are a pretty good single source place. Here is what I prefer for a really good (basic) bleeding control kit. The items are listed in priority. My suggestion is items 1-4 then 5. Item 6 (QuikClot) is gravy.

    1. 2-4 H&H Primed Gauzes (In general 2 Gauzes for Each Ace Bandage)

    2. 4" ACE Bandage with Velcro. I like Tacmed Control Wrap- Its multi strip velcro ACE style wrap so if you drop it, it does not unravel and run away from you.

    3. 2-3 Non Adherent Pads- Reduces Pain and Tissue Damage when you get a heavy abrasion or filet yourself. It will keep sticking to a minimum when the bandage gets pulled off at the ED/ER.

    4. Flat Rolled Duct Tape

    5. CAT Tqt. (Buy 2- One Blue for Training- Write "Training" on It.)

    6. QuikClot

    In general I do not like ready made bandages like Israeli Dressings.
    They limit your options and people do not practice with them enough to be proficient.

    Your kit does not have to be fancy. Items 1-4 will cost under $20 and they will control most significant bleeding situations. Store it in a quart freezer bag with a pair of gloves. The H&H Primed Gauzes and ACE Style wraps are really cheap so get a few extra to play with and scatter about for other kits. I prefer the Primed Gauzes over other prepackaged gauzes because they are rolled and not folded. The packaging is really compact and durable.

    Vet Wrap / Coban is cool (useful) but it is not as multi use as a ACE Bandage.

    Only get a CAT TQT if you plan on buying two and actually practicing with one of them.

    This kit may seem simple, but it's intended to be. Don't let the simplicity fool you, its still VERY effective. The more training and experience you get the more preferences you will have. At which point you will be able to make up your own mind on what you like and need.

    Chinook Med is also a good supplier but they do not have Control Wrap.
     
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    That's the info I was looking for. Real world medical advice. Thanks



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    Tampon and duct tape.
     
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    Um... no.

    Neither is sufficient to control bleeding in a trauma scenario.
    When it comes to first aid, please don't repeat something you heard someone else say that they heard from a guy who knows.
     
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    Hey! Lol
     
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    Sorry man, friendly fire?
    Better Duck
     
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    Sew it up with the awl on your swiss army knife and some yucca.
    Just kidding, don't do that.
    Thanks for asking this question. I am also interested to know what is available out there.
     
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    No worries bud, we seem to be on the same page with this stuff, or at least the same book!

    Panzer, check your messages bud.
     
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    This! [emoji651][emoji651][emoji651] [emoji106][emoji106]

    The best advice really is to get yourself on a day or two day first aid course.
    It's an invaluable experience and will better prepare you to not only deal with an emergency but also to avoid one.

    As said above , it will also help you make an educated decision on what to carry and when .

    Before I did mine , I used to carry so much in my FAK , in a "just in case" type of approach.

    Now I carry less than half of those items but am much better equipped than I ever was before the course.

    (Israeli trauma bandages are great for big lacerations and trauma wounds by the way )

    On a more natural approach, Sphagnum Moss is a great antiseptic and has got amazing coagulation properties as well as being very absorbent.
    Also as @Red Wing rightly said, Yarrow is invaluable when out in the field with or without FAK . Great stuff even for tea.
    As is comfrey and mullein.


    Some polypores (fungui) such as birch polypore are also very good at absorption but not so antiseptic.


    Hope this helps
    Be safe out there !
    [emoji106][emoji106]
     
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    So where did you learn? Oh you heard it somewhere else and now you repeat it...big difference.

    Duct tape and flat rolled duct tape. Big difference there, too.
     
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    No bud, I've learned through first hand experience of the worst traumas imaginable, and then some worse than that.
     
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    Gauze 4x4, triangular bandage, quick clot, a tourniquet, and most importantly some basic knowledge should be enough to get most bleeding stopped.

    All bleeding stops eventually!
     
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    Ya but we'd kinda like to keep the poor bleeding victim alive.
     
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    If you want to stop bleeding Combat Gauze, what has replaced QuickClot, is pretty neat. Its essentially quick clot infused gauze, shoot me a PM if you havent already bought something and Ill send you one or two. Also look into tourniquates (spelling?), I dont trust plastic CAT tournies for shit so I use the metal SOF-T's from North American Rescue. Just keep in mind that most modern trauma solutions are backed up by modern medical care. Guys getting jam packed full of combat gauze and wearing tourneys are usually at a higher echelon of care within hours. For bushcraft/survival stuff that may not always be a case. Hell not too long ago an Army SF guy died of a broken leg because he was so isolated. The medical training was there, BUT always oriented towards that higher echelon.
     
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    Lots of the suggestions here are good but things like the Israeli Bandage and Quick Clot are hard to use anywhere other than limbs and torso. Many of the most common bushcraft injuries are to the hands. Look into adding Celox powder to any kit you make. Simply tear open and dump powder into the wound. It gels up and with the addition of direct pressure stops many persistent bleeding wounds.
     
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    Can u use a suture kit without plain meds? How woul Celox powder affect the potential for stitches? How long do u have before you can't get stitches?
     
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    Another resource I have utilized is femanine napkins and kinesiotape. I love kinesiotape. It has a nice adhesive and elastic properties and can be used to support sprained joints, change biomechanics and stabilized partial tendon tears. Much nicer than duct tape. Temporary like gaffers tape but can stick to flexible areas for 3-4 days. It is elastic in only one direction.
     
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    Training first, then tools. Let your training dictate your tools. The tactical kits are designed to be used with a standard course of training.

    Personally, I carry a little trauma pack separate from my first aid kit specifically for immediate treatment when I have things that cut or poke holes.

    So, in my range bag, with my chainsaw, at my wood pile, in my toolbox, in my workshop, and in my 'forage'/wood scrounging bag. I couldn't afford a $70 kit in each, so I put one together that I know how to use.

    I also carry a handy pack of aspirin powder and some benedryl melts, because cardiac events and allergic reactions are other things I want to treat immediately without going thru a FAK. My regular bags all have a dedicated outside pocket for these immediate items - nothing else goes in them.
     
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    Here is a kit I put together after a few trip injuries (to others) and b/c I was spending a good bit of time this fall working with saws, axes, and other tools by myself in a remote area.

    Its not perfect or small or light, but can be opened /accessed with one hand. Ended up using it on another axe to finger incident (again not me) but really only needed non-stick gauze and tape.

    I was an EMT and volunteer firefighter long ago and have done various first aid trainings, but I need to refresh my skills - especially the use of tourniquets. Would like to pick up 2 CAT Tqts.

    I think you can see most of the kit's contents in the pics except for extra gloves, a few basic meds, and mylar blanket. The bag of gauze pads has multiples of 2x2 & 4x4 and a few larger deessings. I picked up the bag and put the contents in myself.

    Critique welcome.
     
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