How do you stop a dog from killing chickens?

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  1. Zimmy

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    I know, I know.........shoot his ass is the first thing coming to most minds.

    However, it's my dog. He kills the chickens when they wander onto my property from next door. He doesn't go next door to kill them. The chickens have wandered around our proprety since before he was born and now, at age 4, he decides to randomly kill and eat one of them. He doesn't go on a spree and wipe out all of them available, either. And yes, he is fed regularly.

    I'm not going to shoot him for killing a few $6 chickens at his own house. I fully respect my nieghbor's right to kill him at their' house if caught in the act. Our families have a very good relationship and I would like to keep it that way. I'm afraid he will eventually go through the fence and get judiciously wasted.

    I don't know what to do but I want him to stop. Ideas?
     
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    Tie whats left of the chicken around his neck and let him wear it until it rots away. Make him sick of chicken, too much of a good thing approach.
     
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    Yes, do that....it really does work
     
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    A shock collar and a chicken in the backyard and you watching. He goes for the chicken he gets zapped. It may take all day or multiple days; but aversion therapy works.
     
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    I don't stop mine from killing wandering critters(birds,possums,rabbits,etc) that get in our yard. My dogs are in a fence and don't leave the property tho.

    I hope it works out for ya. If he isn't leaving his yard, then to him he may only be thinning out trespassers that cross his scent boundry.
     
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    Remote trainers work well. You could also use a choke chain & leash. With either one when the dog fixates, give a correction. I used spiked harness that went on quail, helps if a dog has a hard mouth. They may have them in duck size ( might fit on a chicken). Look up Lion Country Supply. They have tons of dog gear. IMO a leash or check cord and pinch collar are the best place to start
     
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    The shock collar idea works well. It is the way many dogs are "snake-proofed. Put a shock collar on him , introduce a chicken to the yard, when he goes for it, zap him. If he still goes for it, zap him at a higher level. Be careful of the highest levels as you can totally ruin a dog...

    It may require repetition on a few days over a period of a couple of weeks.

    Good luck...


    ezra
     
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    Time tested and hillbilly approved. This will work with any animal you find your dog killing that you don't want them to.
     
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    ^ This.

    You may be able to rent one locally. Just understand how they work (not the mechanical part, but thats important as well). They should be used for aversion, NOT punishment, and (NOT when you're mad!!!!). I think it's best if they never know its YOU doing it, they should think its the chicken, or God or whatever that makes it happen. A dummy collar with a similar weight kelps keep them from not doing the poor behaviour only when they have the collar on.

    Be smarter than the dog, and collars can work like magic, use them incorrectly, and they can be cruel (and I have my own ideas about how to "train" folks that use them cruelly). Some dogs may be hard to train, some are very responsive to a properly used training collar.
     
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    Get your dog an apartment in the city. Let him get his own chicks!

    All of the above will work to some extent. The idea of the dead chicken has promise if he isn't a house dog.
     
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    Yup.
     
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    Ezra hit it on the head. Stick to whatever method you choose. I had one dog that required barrel training. Some people think its extreme, but it is very effective. Used it for a few sessions then went to just a collar & leash.
     
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    You're going at it the wrong way. What you need to do is teach him to bring the chicken to the kitchen after he's caught it on your property. ;)
     
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    I'm not sure how well the shock collar will work. There are chickens wandering around our house yard and farm from dawn to dusk. He has lots of targets of opportunity but seems to be triggered occasionally by one (or something) He has never made an attack while anyone was home but I did catch him idly plucking a nearly dead one and chewing leisurely at it. A four pound chicken ain't got much against a 150 pound Anatolian

    What do y'all think about a bark triggered shock collar? He's not a much of barker and I'm curious if a panicked chicken's noises would set it off and teach him....
     
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    I'm opposed to punishing your dog for defending his territory from chickens. How about asking your neighbor to contain his livestock. Problem solved.
     
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    I don't think it would activate the collar. So being a Shepard perhaps he killed a chicken that acted out towards another.?. If they have always been around he should consider them as his own. Maybe. ...
     
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    A buddy of mine did this with a dog that was killing miniature goats. After a few days of dragging the dead goat around the dog wouldn't even look at a goat and would run if they came near him.
     
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    This is an excellent perpective and my dog sends thanks. However, I myself raise chickens probably 7 years out of 10 and am planning to get some more soon. Last year I just spent way to much time working on the road so I gave them to....you guessed it: the next door neighbor.

    An interesting fact is that my big fat hens haven't been attacked because they can't fly over the neighbor's field fencing. (the kind with the little 2"x 4" holes.)

    That is the reason I can't go down your path. It is a bit better to be training my dog on the learning curve with chickens that aren't mine.
     
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    Understood. Hope your training works out. I'm not anti-chicken. LOL. Kinda like the advice of hangin' the "meat" from their collar. Might work for you.
     
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    I wonder if he gets excited when a hen gets bred by the rooster. There are weak prey noises, fluttering feathers, and some aggression in that. Do you think that could be tripping the kill response? The neighbor has an especially loud bantam rooster that makes a bigger show of it than my old Rhode Island Red did.
     
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    I don't advocate this, but my dog got into our chickens when I was about 8 years old. My grandpa cut a hickory switch and picked the dog up by the tail and switched it until he thought it had had enough. I don't know who cried harder, me or the dog. One thing is for sure, that dog wouldn't even look sideways at a chicken even if it was pecking his ear! You may think that it was cruel, but the fact is, the chickens were part of our livelyhood and the killing had to stop asap. Just how things were because there was no time to fool around.

    Scott
     
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    I bought an electronic collar for my dog, he may have gotten Hit 3 times. and not full power. It works well, ocassionaly Ill have to put it back on him but the reminder that it is there gets hime back on track. I even tricked him one time I had an old collar and I put a small block on it and he wore that, he behaved like an angel LOL

    We have the Pet Safe Version not to expensive
     
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    Had to get rid of mine. There was no converting him.
     
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    Just do what was first suggested. No sense in shocking him over a damn chicken. Tie a killed one around his neck and be done with this.
     
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    I think that could be right. Could be trying to protect his flock. I've heard of a Bernese that lives with 20 or so sheep. They brought their ram in to breed the ewes and the dog attacked the ram.
     
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    The dog had no idea why it's being "switched" Its like hitting a dog for peeing on the floor. He doesn't know why your hitting him.
     
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    Where it my dog
    1st offence beat the snot out of him with the chicken .
    2nd offence tie the chicken to him as mentioned above
    3rd time We take a walk only I come back
    If he will kill chickens he will kill other poultry . Have you priced a black swan chick or some one prize show(fighting) game rooster or even a peacock lately ? Sooner or later every dog gets out of the yard . I have seen 6 week old black swans go for $900
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    I remember my Dad beating a dog with the dead chicken it had killed. It worked.
     
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    Yes, this is a much smarter idea than punishing with a switch, for exactly the reason that Sherlockian said:
    Dogs should not be punished without a very clear association to why they're being punished.

    Now I would never have to worry about my dog killing a chicken. He's a city dog through and through. We have cats who prowl the backyard and get into the garbage, and my little minpin chases them off. However, once one of them got cornered with no place to run. As soon as the cat stopped running my dog stopped too, looked at him funny, then walked away. He's never had any intention of doing anything with them except to tell them to get out of the yard (which I totally condone, since they make a big mess and spread dangerous garbage that my dog could get into).
     
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    It doesn't have to be the meat it can just be the smell of the chickens. We do this for deer when the coon dogs go off on them or other animals that we don't want them to track. But make sure you never want the dog to go after that animal ever again. Not an issue in your case but can be if it's a hunting dog like a rabbit or coon dog you should only need some feathers or a rag that smells like the chicken. Ask your neighbor to place a hand ful of rags in his chicken coop to get the smell and place a freshly scented rag around his neck or colar each day for a week or two. you may even be able to use some of the nesting material in a large ziploc just through the rag in with it. It really shouldn't be a problem getting the smell it's not the amount that works so well its the length of time. should work with same results as the rotting carcas just a little more sanitary. Bandannas work well. hope this helps.

    We as humans do the majority of our sensing and iformation gathering from our eye sight and our hearing. while about 80 percent or higher of a dogs information gathering is done through scent. So just think about it it's like smelling seeing and thinking chicken 24 7 when you eat you smell chicken when your trying to find your favorite spot to pee you smell chicken when your trying to relax and sleep you smell chicken it's actually pretty cruel which is why it works so well you give them so much chicken they literally may start to gag with nausea. But it works! You could compare it to how long would you want to go or stay somewhere where there was an open sceptic would you want to eat your lunch around the hole how bout all your meals and sleep next to it. Just trying to give you a visual of how it works. We do it with our dogs that run dear by taking a piece of hide the musky part on the buck and putting it in a bag with a bandana as described. other options are musck scents for other species like fox and skunk but I don't think they make a chicken one so as I said a ziploc with some nesting material and some shed feathers should work well. Best Wishes! Let us know how you make out.
     
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    Whatever you do you need to do it soon. I know of a dog that was killing goats. The owners let it go on and eventually that dog got ahold of a five year old kid by the head. Fourty stitches and a dead dog later things were back to normal. Luckily the parents of the five year old didn't sue the dog owner for everything he had.
    I'm not saying it's a definite your dog would advance to that but it's a possibility.
    Good luck in whatever method you try.
     
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    no, this won't work. they will eat it so fast that they never get to the point of being sick of it.
     
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    After 40 some replies, not sure if this was mentioned, but here goes.

    Thank your neighbor for sending over the "free chicken dinners" and let him know that he could save you a lot of trouble if they were sent over in a way that your dog wouldnt have to get chicken blood all over his coat.

    LOL

    Seriously, let him know whats going on, and that you're trying to train the dog to ignore them but in the meantime...

    he should probably SECURE HIS LIVESTOCK
     
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    My dog is on "Death Row" right now. My wife's Chickens are in a pen, and the dog is also in his pen. My wife lets her Chickens out into the yard. The Chickens stick their heads into the Dog's pen and steal his food. The Dog drags the Chickens head-first through the chain link fence. I don't think it's the Dog's fault.
     
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    Not a cheap way but training collars. I.E shock collars...I always had a set for training beagles..My wife raises very expensive Marans chickens and bouban red turkeys..A chicken killer can set you back a few hundred bucks in minutes..Ive never had a problem breaking a dog with a collar with just a few hits..
    Another way is break them before they start..Put a pup in a with a mean old hen that has bittys..She'll wear that pup up out, generally they tread lightly around chickens after that..
    Now I dont let expensive chickens wonder about, Im talking about dogs that want to tear into a fence..Most of the time my dogs(espically expensive beagles) are kept in a clean kennel anyway so I dont have to break dogs from it very often..Also these are my own chickens, if someone lets their chickens roam on another property then I think their paid for..
     
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    I know for sure it works for skunks, possums, rabbits, and other small critters you don't want coon dogs chasing. It would probably work just as well for chickens. I had a dog that would kill chickens, but she would kill them all given the chance. The owner of the chickens shot her with a 20ga loaded with rock salt (By no means condoning!). The wind would blow the scent in the yard, and she would hide as quick as she could find a hole after that.
     
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    On Death Row?

    Have you considered putting some fine mesh wire around the chain link that the chckens cant get their heads through it.
     
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    My father trained bird dogs with a shock collar. He used the Tri-Tronics brand it had 3 buttons red,yellow and green. The green button caused the collar to make a ringing sound,use it when you reward the dog by petting or feeding. The yellow button caused the collar to buzz, this is used as a cautionary action. The red button caused the collar to buzz and then delivered a shock. The secret to training your dog is don't let your dog play mind games with you, you need to play mind games with him.
     
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    Dad used the dead chicken around the neck of our dog. Worked great but smelt like hell for a while.

    Had a Great Dane that was bad about chewing on things while a pup and used the recommendantions of a man named Mueller IIRC. Just tape whatever he is chewing on in his mouth and from my experience, tape his front feet togeather. After an hour or two he'll never touch it again.

    Then I had a neighbor from Cental America move in next door who let his chickens run thru the neighborhood. Digging up gardens, flower beds, leaving droppings everywhere. The son came home and let his hog dogs out one day! Neighbor was hollering " No catch chicken, bad for dog, bad for dog!" I just told him it looked to me like it would be bad for the chicken not the dog. He was building pens that afternoon.
     
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    Turn your dog loose into a fenced yard full of ostriches so he can see what its like to be bullied.
     
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    It took a few days, but he is now wearing a chicken flavored necklace of guilt.
     
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    Familiarize him with some chickens, every time he wants to attack command him back and feed him bacon. Hope there are no pigs wandering in the yard.
     
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    Definitely works brother. Done it personally. You don't tie it where they can get to it.
     
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    He tore the head and neck off with almost all the skin coming with it.

    This 14" mess is wired every two inches to his collar for more than halfway around his neck. Like a bandanna
     
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    Not only does the tying-dead-animal-to-dog trick usually prove ineffective, it's also unsafe for both people and your dog. As the chicken rots, all kinds of parasites and diseases are going to grow on it. They'll in turn be living directly on your dog's neck. You could give him worms or something a lot worse. He can in turn transmit it back to you. What's more, he will not connect the dead chicken with his action as a punishment. Dogs need immediate instruction. All he is going to understand is there is something stinky around his neck. This works about as well as rubbing a dog's nose in his feces after he goes in the house: he won't put two and two together, he'll just think you're mean. Dogs are predators, and unless corrected immediately, firmly and consistently, they won't view the chickens any differently than a squirrel or rabbit in the yard. As a long time owner of both chickens and dogs, I really suggest you not do this.
     
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    Step 1:
    Place chicken thigh on a paper plate,
    Step 2: Place plate in full sun for eight hours.
    Step 3: Feed to dog.
    Step 4: Lock dog in backyard for three days.

    Result: Repentent Pup!

    PMZ
     
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    I have to agree with whitebear, that is not going to have any positive results. Its like locking a dog in a crate for stealing food or punishing a dog for stealing food 20 minutes after it happens, the dog has no idea why its in trouble, and is just sad and it scared. You have complete control over this animals life and that includes the responsibility to not abuse it or endanger it.

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    Tie a dead chicken to his neck for a few days....Redneck tested and approved. I, after all, can vouch for it :D
     

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