How to ruin your brand new Swiss volcano stove

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  1. nickswan

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    1. Order a new stove from SG.

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    2. Put 6-4" finger size twigs and a handful of shavings in it, and light.

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    Wait until just before your water boils; and enjoy all the new air holes that just melted through the side of your "stove".

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    Seriously, are these one time use throw away stoves? Or did I just get a dud?
     
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    This is why aluminum and wood combustion aren't like chocolate and peanut butter.
     
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    For the life of me I can't imagine why Al is ever used of a wood stove. Even the Al Kelly kettle makes me cringe and that has water around the fire box. No thanks. Mild steel, SS or Ti.
     
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    Holy crap !!

    Never seen that, never owned one, but have heard many other say they love them... pretty weird.
     
  6. nickswan

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    The "stove" is stamped "SF" on the bottom so I assumed genuine swiss army issue. The bottle and cup look like ALU but the stove looks galvanized honestly. If no one else has seen this I may try to contact SG about a replacement. All the reviews I looked up showed it in wood burning mode, but mine didn't last 5 minutes with a small twig fire.
     
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    Sorry for your loss... maybe they'll refund your money.... hopefully so...

    Try this instead .... :

    http://www.emberlit.com/

    they don't melt...

    Skip
     
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    I sure would't have expected that, either. But I've been kinda' holding out for an SS one for general principle anyway.

    I hope you can get some kind of make good for that.
     
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    It's really not unheard of for the aluminum models, I have read stories on other forums. People have actually melted their stoves down into a puddle of aluminum on the back side. You have to keep the temperature lower, and avoid hardwoods all together. All of the ones that I have heard of melting were from SG or CTD, and they failed in the same area that yours did.
     
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    Being swiss it was probably designed to be used only in sub-zero temps.
     
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    ikea....ss hobo stove.pre drilled and ready to rock and roll.
     
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    I just checked it out on ebay, and it says designed to run on solid fuel, Hexi or Gel. So maybe your fire was hotter then what it was designed for? Although i have no idea if solid fuel runs hotter or colder then a fire.
     
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    Aluminum melts at 1,221°F (660.3°C)

    Wood fire, without bellows gasification or other temp increasing tends to burn around 1200°F to 1500°F. You should never use aluminum with wood fires. Stainless Steel, titanium, cast iron, carbon steel, are all fine but aluminum is bad choice for wood fires. Of course not all of a wood fire is the same temp, but wood fires do get more than high enough temps to melt aluminum. So while you could possibly find a safe spot in a wood fire to use an aluminum pot or pan, using a aluminum stove to contain your fire is likely to result in melt downs like the one the OP experienced.

    Here is a little general guide for flame temps by color:

    Red
    Just visible: 525 °C (980 °F)
    Dull: 700 °C (1,300 °F)
    Cherry, dull: 800 °C (1,500 °F)
    Cherry, full: 900 °C (1,700 °F)
    Cherry, clear: 1,000 °C (1,800 °F)
    Orange
    Deep: 1,100 °C (2,000 °F)
    Clear: 1,200 °C (2,200 °F)
    White
    Whitish: 1,300 °C (2,400 °F)
    Bright: 1,400 °C (2,600 °F)
    Dazzling: 1,500 °C (2,700 °F)
     
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    Sell me some of that wood you are using. Sounds like some damn good fuel.
     
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    It's resinous pine from here in Florida, and the flame was a bright yellow. Foolish assumption on my part to think it could handle it. Time to drop some coin on a trangia or scrap it and get an emberlit.
     
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    You won't regret the emberlit. That and a sawyer mini filter are part of my must have kit.
     
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    I would contact them, and I bet they will replace your stove. I was involved in scouting for many years and I use to order those by the dozen. I have seen them used and abused but never anything like that. I have one I have used for many years with lots of mods and never had any problem other than the normal constraints of the design itself. I prefer stainless over aluminum also but I have many aluminum pots, stoves, and an older aluminum Kelly Kettle that have logged many hours of use without any problems. I have burned a combination of softwoods, hardwoods, and hex tablets without any problems, but my experience has been with older production stoves. Either the QC has gone in the dumpster or I think you got a dud for sure!
     
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    Aluminum melts at around 1200 degrees Fahrenheit at S.T.P., so you definitely don't want a super hot fire but again I've never seen that happen before and with Scouts thats saying a lot. All aluminum is not created equal and the composition varies. That leads me to believe they aren't making them like they used to. Get a refund and go with the Emberlit. You won't ever look back. :)
     
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    I bet its the wood. As a kid, there was a major difference in wood temperatures, as we lit the fireplace. I'm no scientist, but I bet you can have a difference of a few hundred degrees.
     
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    Sorry to go against the grain here..

    But sportsman guide is an awesome resource for quality kit dirt cheap.

    You just have to be extremely selective, and read the reviews.. I have gotten incredible gear from there for amazing prices.. It's just a matter of making wise choices.
     
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    SS emberlit is in the mail!
     
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    I don't think they were meant to be used as wood stoves...they were used with Meta or Esbit tablets.
     
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    I use mine with a trangea burner and it's excellent. I cut the ends off a corn can, split it and put it inside as a wind screen. Never a problem. Never, ever thought to use it as a wood stove because I didn't think it would hold up under those temps.
     
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    I have one in the basement I bought years ago but never used or tried. Ill test it today. Mine is stamped "JE 76 with a cross".

    The stoves are designed to work with wood or esbit fuels.

    See below vid from YankeePrepper for an excellent volcano stove review:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wYphFBszyQ
     
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    I have used mine with wood many times and never had a problem. Maybe I got lucky.

    Geoff
     
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    Wow! That's what I was always afraid of when using mine. I've loaded mine up pretty good and never melted a single hole. However, after about eighty or ninety fires I've noticed the metal has been annealed nicely. It's soft enough to deform if I push too hard. It's still my favorite stove by far. It's just perfectly sized and nothing looks cooler than fire light peeking out through the holes :).
     
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    Mine did crap out as well eventually as well, but not that quick. Impressively ineffective piece of gear there. Sorry about the waste.
     
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    If they won't replace it I suggest you load it up with wood and get the hottest flame you can. The resulting puddle, when cooked well make a good paperweight and conversation piece.

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    Thanks for the tip. I've only used my with an alcohol stove and not wood. Lesson learned
     
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    I have a few of them. Not my preferred stove, but I have used them several times with multiple fuel sources including wood and have never seen anything like this. Sorry. Might got a dud!

    edz
     
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    Maybe that's why they call it the volcano stove. Blows up then melts down. Look at the vargo or emberlit Stainless is the best way to go ti if you can afford it. Durable as hell and worth the weight.
     
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    After much testing with mine, I agree with Spork that these stoves were not designed to be wood-burning. The primary reason I've come to that conclusion is that they simply don't work well with that fuel. You can get a nice fire going in the stove, but the instant you place the cup in its position, the fire dies down considerably, indicating that the fire is not getting sufficient airflow due to an almost complete loss of draft.

    I don't think these stoves work well with Trangia burners either, since the burner soon overheats and puts out TALL yellow flames.

    Yes, I know that all of you fellers that have used wood and Trangias will beat me about the head and shoulders with your volcano stoves in disagreement, but these are my findings.

    OTOH, Sterno and other canned gel fuels and solid fuels work great in the volcano.

    GrampaMike
     
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    I've experimented with various alcohol stoves, they tend to run hot and inefficiently inside the Volcano. It's also a hassle getting a liquid fueled stove down the tube...or filling it in place without spilling.

    Gel fuel works well and burns cleanly, so that has become my preferred fuel for the Volcano. I place the gel or Esbit inside a small Supercat-like steel tuna can with a single row of holes. Keeps the insides clean and is easy to load. You can see it actually creates a jet effect.

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    For gel and tablet use, locating the holes lower seem to work better...oxygen enters at the base of the flames. The can in the photos has higher holes so it has room to hold liquid alcohol.
     
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    dud
    I have used mine a dozen times and nothing even similar to that has happened.
    thats crazy
     
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    This stove was designed to be primarily used with the swiss m71 gel stove. Wood fuel was an emergency secondary source.
     
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    There were a very limited run of stainless steel sets ( I have one ) that you could burn wood in the rest are very light weight aluminum and designed only for trioxanne, wetfire tinder, alcohol etc... and was not supposed to touch the sides in any way or it would burn holes in it.
    Hope this helps.
     
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    Sportsman's Guide buys these in Europe from Swiss Military Surplus vendors when they are available. The stoves sold at Sportsman's Guide are Swiss Military issue.
     
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    ...have to agree that aluminum and wood fires don't mix.

    About four years ago I tried the Vargo Titanium and rarely use anything else. Works great with a Trangia alcohol burner, Trangia butane burner, fuel tabs or wood. What I like best about is it folds flat, super light and is ready to go in five seconds.

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