Mountain Lions in Kentucky!

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    I saw a mountain lion this morning on my way home from work. It crossed the road about 10 yards in front of me. Then walked up a bank on the side of the road. I stopped and looked at it for a few min. and it slowly walked away. They say that there are no mountain lions here, but this is the 3rd one I have seen. Have any of you other folks, east of the missippi seen any?
     
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    near our family land in s.e. ky there have been sightings of mt. lion, bobcat, blk. bear, wild hog, and elk. we have seen mt. lion, bobcat, and elk ourselves.
     
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    Birdman - whereabouts in Kentucky are you? I'm moving to Boyle Co. in about 4 months. Was looking forward to spending some time in the Daniel Boone Nat'l Forest, maybe even taking a crack at the Sheltowee Trace trail. I know they had a bear attack in the Boone a couple years ago, but I hadn't heard much about mountain lions.
     
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    Not too long ago in perry county someone collided with a black bear at a busy intersection. This was after we were assured there were no bears. I have no doubt there are mountain lions.
     
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    Our family land is in the DBNF. leslie co. near saul. The locals say they have seen a 300 lb. blk bear on our clearing where our little cabin is.
     
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    I live in Harlan County. Like I said this was the 3rd one I have seen, and the first 2 were black. Big Brother tells us there is no such thing as a black one. I assumed that all the sightings of black ones were just missidentifications, until I saw my first one. It was in Va. in the Jefferson national forest. The second one was on the Little Sheapard Trail just outside of Kingdom Come state park.
     
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    I have seen a few bobcats in LBL, back around 2000. Never seen a mountain lion, however.
     
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    i seen a black one up here a few years back. kinda caught me off guard, had to do a double take. very cool, love to get one and do a live mount
     
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    I was Coyote hunting with my little brother(in Pike County) when we came across some big cat tracks...as big as my hand ! My boss was sitting in his treestand during deer season(rifle season) not to far from here when a cougar came with in 30yds of his stand, he watched it thru his scope until it was out of sight & a real good friend whom I trust whole heartedly watched one thru his bino's on a powerline road across the holler from where he was working. Seems to be alot more sightings here latley...ask a Game Warden & they still say no such thing here in S.E. Ky. bt they told us the same thing about Blackbears for a long time even though everyone was seeing them....now there is a bear season !
     
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    I had read somewhere online recently that "black panthers" had found their way into KY. You have now corroborated that account, and I don't doubt it. The extent of my knowledge is basically anywhere there are deer, there will be mountain lions/panthers/pumas/cougars etc., whatever you want to call them. I know we've got them in the Sierra Nevada mountains where I am now, and the deserts of AZ where I'm from. The woods of KY would be fertile feeding grounds for them.

    As for the bears, I had read that they are "returning" to KY, although I seriously doubt they ever really left.
     
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    They the Pa. Game Commision say the same thing here. Why do game commisions deny the Mountain Lion sightings? I saw a Mountain Lion in a meadow sunning itself. I told the Boss at work and he told me there were other sighting as well. So East of the Mississippi, they are!
     
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    We have them across the river in Illinois too, I saw one about 12 years ago and there have been several sightings at work. The state had denied their existance for years untill one was killed in Northern Illinois. There have been several sighted in and around the Shawnee National Forest.
     
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    The dont tell anyone because they dont want "concerned citizens" going hunting for them and blasting them to pieces. Of course, here in kentucky there are now 2 bears seasons. One for shooting and one for chasing with dogs.
     
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    The eastern mountain lion is listed as extenct/protected by the federal gov. That means they are saying they don't exist, but if you kill one you will be put in prison.:confused:
     
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    You are luck to have them I think.

    A landscape w/o top predators is skewed
     
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    we seen big cat tracks chasing dear tracks when the buckhorn lake was down several years ago. big ol' paws and big claws dug into the soft ground where the cat was sliding a bit in the turns.
     
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    Just the other day I had a private contract to trap a nuisance animal in Wolfe County, KY. An aquaintance had already lost over $2,500 in livestock to this predator (5 sheep, 2 adult llama, and 1 juvenille llama) and was quite willing to do anyting to be rid of it. It wasn't until I was on site that I found out it was a puma (mountain lion). Intially reports led me to believe black bear, but a brief scout led me to a 5'' cat track with that distinctive teardrop shape at the base of the pad. I'm sorry to say I wasn't equipped to effectively hold such a large animal (the budget for the job was non-existent), and thus my attempts were in vain. I caught two feet in #4 roundjaw oneida victor coilsprings. Each having a wolfspring kit added. One staked 32'' long and the other wired directly to a sapling with a diameter that could not have been less than 4'' . When I returned to check my line the following morning I discovered one severly mangled and bent trap and one missing with the stake still tied to it. Hair, tracks, and a single claw my only proof of "the one who got away." Believe it gentlemen, Mountain lions are indeed east of the Mississippi and they are some tough kitties.

    Oh and I nearly forgot there Birdman. When I discovered what I was actually dealing with I immediately called the local fish and game services who informed me that "So long as its damaging livestock and creating a nuisance you're entirely within your rights (or the rights of those you represent...thus my employer) to eliminate the threat to your (or their) private property. Particularly considering that Puma aren't native to Eastern Kentucky anyway." Thus I took that to mean "Its not our problem and Sue already called and complained a few times, so do whatever it takes to shut her up and we'll look the other way."
     
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    Did you follow them at all? see where/if the mountain lion got dinner?
     
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    Harvey, I know from personal experience that they began to reintroduce Mountain Lions into the Blue Ridge around the early 2000's. I would do research around Skyline Drive area... because they are there. I personally have seen a few out that way, as well.
     
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    I'll be in Bath county next week for a couple of weeks. I plan to do some hiking and turkey hunting when that season opens. I'll be looking for big cat sign. I don't expect to see any but it would be fun if I did.

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    officials say there;s no cougars here either.. 2 where hit by cars about 50 miles from NYC last summer.. (they walked from Idaho) was the official explanation. My explanation animals will live anywhere they can, as log as the getting is good, which doesn't necessarily correspond to population maps.
    As far as black cougars go? I'm no biologist but I believe if the cocktail of dominant and recessive genes is mixed right, animals can be almost any color (within reason). Now if one of these colors just so happened to be advantageous, like in helping populations of cougars to stay undetected around people, than it would make sense that those traits would flourish.. But that;s all crazy talk... there;s no such thing as cougars.
     
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    A lot of them were not visible. But the ones in the turns were pretty defined. Wish we had a camera. Any of you guys go to buckhorn lake? Or know of a little cabin near it? Or even know the area?
     
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    Years ago a MD DNR employee actually showed me a video taken by two guys bowhunting in Garrett County, MD (extreme western MD). The video showed 2 yearling or so mountain lions coming around the mountain above the hunters and disappearing into the laurel. I was asked by this person to never ever tell who showed me the video because if someone found out they could lose their job.
     
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    I hate to say this but I would tie a Piglet on a rope and bait that cougar in. Then I would blast it with a high power rifle. The squelling pig will no doubt bring the predator in. The foot traps I would right off, unless you can get your hands on a Bear trap.
     
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    The N.Y. DEC will tell you they are not around here. But what else puts a full grown Whitetail deer carcase 15' up a tree? Hmmmmm.............
     
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    Theres been Mt Lions seen here in Wisconsin, but they dont stick around. Last one that came through, I had heard, was killed in...New York state? I think..
     
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    I know where buckhorn lake is and am pretty familiar with the area. It is only 30 mins from my childhood home.
     
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    last fall i was doing a bit of fishing before it got too cold and got a chill running up my spine, looked up the pond and where it converged with the woods, there was a mountain lion drinking! This is in southeastern Ky.

    I left not long after as in the night, I am nowhere near prepared for a mountain lion.

    Fast forward two months and i was out on call, on my way home pulled off the road to dodge an oncoming car and right in my headlights wash stood another. A female from my guess, she was very calm, and looked right at the truck. No fear in these animals.
     
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    I have seen them in WV, the yellow variety.

    At my cabin in carter county ky we have one that we see from time to time but it is black, I assume the panther and mtn lion are one in the same. It also leaves scat on my wood pile sometimes. I have made cast of the prints, but can't seem to catch it on my game camera. This one will go around 100 pounds or so with a 4 foot tail.
     
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    They are in Missouri

    They say mnt lions are not in missouri either but I have a friend who shot one going after a his livestock that had a tracking coller on it several years ago then this year. I know several teachers that I work with that say they have been seeing one near Lebanon Mo. and here is a news video you guys might like from a trapper in Missouri.

    http://www.ksdk.com/rss/article/295024/3/Mountain-lion-captured-in-Reynolds-County-Missouri

    enjoy
     
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    i wonder if that old tree huger woman would say the same if it was running in her building. good job by the cops. saved a few lives
     
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    I've had more than one very credible friend report mountain lion sightings both in Mass. and Vermont. These guys both hunt and know the difference between animals.
     
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    Same story we have heard in minn. A. Don't exist, B. escaped from animal farm, C. Just passing through from Rockies
     
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    Several sightings from folks just over the line here in Southwestern Virginia....
     
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    One got run over on the Merritt parkway (dead lion found) in CT not that long ago so I believe it. 5 years before that someone told me they seen one in the same area.
     
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    I have heard storys of "big cats" my entire life, My grandmother tells the story of her father trapping a Mt Lion in the 1930's, My father was driving a bus load of baseball players in Indiana in 1971 early one morning and stopped the bus to let the kids see the Mountain Lion that was feeding on roadkill, 40 yards from a highway.
    We have always been told that there were no "big cats" in Indiana untill 2010 and game cameras proved they were here.

    In 2010 Indiana Department of Natural Resources confirmed the existance of mountain lion in Indiana
    "A DNR biologist investigating a reported sighting of the cougar used motion-sensitive trail cameras to photograph it last weekend. (2010 report)
    The confirmation is the first since the DNR implemented a new policy March 1 to evaluate reported sightings of the animal. Another mountain lion was confirmed in late 2009 in Clay County.
    The DNR says the last documented case of a wild mountain lion in Indiana is believed to have been recorded between 1850 and 1865.

    Photo taken by DNR attached courtesy WISH TV channel 8 Indy.
     

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    Recommended firepower for protection from the big cats? I've got a 9mm with a custom load from my stepdad, who is into these things (sorry, I don't know the specifics on the load, but I'm told it would be effective.) My thought was .357 would be better. Spray seems like it just wouldn't be applicable, given how the cats' attack "methods" differ from bears' frontal charges. Comments?
     
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    I don't have any experience shooting Mt Lion but I do know that big guns are not needed, Hunters will have dogs tree them and take the shot with .357's and 44's a lot. I think a 9mm would be OK but I would not go any smaller. Its hard to beat a .357 for woods use and it would certanly be effective with the correct load. (my vote is for a mid to upper weight HP 140gr-158gr driven fast)
    The issue with cats is that they are ambush predators. So your awareness of your surroundings is your best weapon. I suspect if you had a .22 pistol and observed a cat stalking you, a warning shot would change its lunch plans.

    One thing I recall from Firearms training course I took several years ago was a drill where we were trained to fight an attacker off in a wrestling match and were shown reports from officers where autos failed due to pressing the muzzle into contact with (someone in this case) and the gun being taken out of battery due to the slide retracting by a 1/4 inch or so. So mabyee another point for a revolver.
    Cats seem to be slightly less committed to a kill then some other animals and there are lots I of cases of people beating them off. (but I'm with you I'll keep a gun handy just in case I ever do get pounced on)
     
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    Here's one I almost forgot about. Several years ago, I belonged to a group called the "American Longrifle Association" and we were having our eastern gathering at Martin's Station near Ewing, VA (SW Virginia). We were helping build the log fort there. On Saturday evening just at dusk, our cur dogs made a huge ruckus. There was supposed to be an Indian reenactment group pull a surprise attack on us sometime during the weekend to mimic the real conditions that the frontiersmen actually had to deal with. Well, we thought that the dogs had heard or smelled these guys trying to sneak up on us. We deployed our guys out into the dark with blank loads and waited to see what happened. After an hour of waiting everyone went back to the fire and then to bed. My son and I just rolled out our bedrolls next to the mule pen and went to sleep. Another commotion in the night, but we ignored it because we were just too tired from working all day to care. My son and I had to leave the next morning and as we were loading the truck, the head Ranger came by and asked us "if we saw the panther last night?" They saw it headed towards the fort about dark! It had been hanging around the area for awhile and had stolen a 60lb. shoat out of the pig pen the week before. I told my son that it was a good thing we didn't smell like pork last night! I don't know if they ever caught or killed it.

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    Weird feeling seeing those that "don't exist" huh? My uncle has seen a "black panther" on our place multiple times over the past couple of years, though fish & wildlife says they don't exist in Alabama. A buddy of mine has caught a glimpse of a black bear up here, as well as a good number of tracks, though they supposedly don't exist in North Alabama either.
     
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    Yeah, same here in Georgia. The official stance by the Department of Natural Resources is that "there are no mountain lions in Georgia." So when a couple of years ago a deer hunter in a tree stand shot and killed a lion and produced the body, the DNR simply said that it was "probably" someone's exotic pet that had escaped.......because "there are no mountain lions in Georgia."
     
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    Believe what you want but I will be the party pooper here.

    I will go on record as a non believer in terms of wild populations in states where they "do not exist".

    People keep strange things as pets and they get loose/turned loose.

    People move animals around just to do it.

    Happens more than you would think.

    Lots of sightings, very few photos..sorry but in todays world of camera phones etc...I need to see more to believe it. And to be honest, even with a photo, My first thought is a released/escaped animal.

    These animals can move long distances so I can perhaps see one showing up where it is not supposed to be....but there are not enough to support a breeding population.....same goes for bigfoot/skunk apes..whatever.

    Some folks really like the idea of it, some have no idea what they are looking at, some like to start rumors, some are serious drunks, and some are just plain nuts. Otters, bobcats, black bears, big house cats....shape shifters.....moonshine and dim lighting
    has wonderful results.

    Many people can not correctly ID the animals that are common in their area, much less a mountain lion.

    Seems like a lot of "black panthers" out there. Melanistic mountain lion sightings just make the unbelievable more unbelievable in my view.

    I have heard all the stories about various game departments secretly bringing in coyotes, dropping rattlesnakes out of air planes, you name it. They are just stories with no proof.
     
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    well what ever your smoking just keep smoking it and live in your dream world. i know what i seen was a black cougar. am a hunting guide its my job to know my animals. when animal population get to big in one area the dominant ones push the weaker ones out, so if all the good places are taken whats left?they move into area that are not dominated by other dominate ones.thats how populations expand. dont mean to harp on you, but really, are you really that naive? we live in a world of survival of the fittest, will you stay and die or will you move to another area?
     
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    Saw huge one while deer hunting on family land in Cherokee NC..Commonly seen and revered by my people, the Cherokee. Black ones too.
     
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    I notice that you list your location as "near Prince George, B.C." As a former resident of Cochrane, AB I have spent a lot of time in your area. I can attest that the forests there are capable of harboring all sorts of wildlife and have no doubts at all that if you say you saw a black cougar, you saw a black cougar.
     
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    okay bud. gkit i live in western canada i think we have one or two mountain lions here
     
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    Agreed. Lets meet in the middle and call it a wet, very dark brown one, in the shade on a cloudy day, ;)
     
  50. Woods Walker

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    Don't we have a thread with an albino cat fish? Just tossing it out there. I believe bro! I believe. :)
     

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