New gun misfires/jams

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  1. TripleF

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    Today I bought a new Diamondback .380. Really excited about the way it feels in my hand. Couldn't wait to shoot it. Load the mag with 5 shells and shot. Gun failed to eject a spent round on the third shot. Second mag (five shots) and a misfire on the second round. Third mag, misfire on the 4th round. Both misfired rounds had no pin marks and both fired without a problem when loaded a second time alone.

    Every other pistol I've owned I bought used and have only very rarely experienced a misfire problem.

    Is this normal with a new pistol? Will it improve with use? Or it this a real problem I need to go back to the dealer on?
     
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    definitely not normal to misfire that many times. It could be the ammo not knowing what kind you used. try it with a different type of ammo see if it happens again. Then you will know for sure whether or not it is the gun. Also give it a good cleaning could be debris around the firing pin not allowing it to strike all the way.
     
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    I have no experience with Diamond back. In my experience with shooting, some new guns do need a break in period and will shoot and perform better after several hundred rounds. Ammo selection could have something to do with it as well, some .380's are real picky about ammo. I would run a few hundred rounds through it, if it continues after that it would be going to the manufacturer.

    Just my opinion based on my own experiences. You should have bought a Glock, if you did we would not be having this discussion :)

    Sorry I could not resist, I am a Glock poster child.
     
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    Hmmm, failure to eject/feed/stovepipes/etc, may be normal for a gun until you put it through the break in process. But failure to fire, eh, that's not normal. Even a brand new gun should go bang every time you pull the trigger. The fact that you don't see a pin mark definitely means it's not your ammo. I'd call the manufacturer pronto!
     
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    Yeah, try some different kinds of ammo. I know that will get expensive with a .380, but you need to eliminate that variable. Be sure and try different bullet weights.

    Another issue is you may be gripping the gun too loose or too tight. How hard you grip the gun sometimes affects an semi-auto pistol's ability to cycle (depends on the gun), so experiment with your grip.

    After all that, if it still doesn't improve, send it back to the factory for a massage.

    I didn't believe how ammo-sensitive a pistol could be until I bought a used S&W 2213. After replacing the recoil and firing pin springs, I still had a hell of a time getting it to feed a whole mag without misfires and ejection problems. Finally I bought six kinds of ammo and spent an hour at the range just burning through all of it, not worrying about target placement, until I found two that worked nearly without flaw (for the record, those were CCI Mini Mags and Remington Yellow Jackets).

    EDIT: Another issue I remembered. With some new guns, you need to clean it before you start shooting because it is shipped with a gummy residue to prevent corrosion. If you didn't do that, you've now added powder residue to the problem. So take it apart, do a good cleaning, and start over.
     
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    I picked up a Sig P238 a couple of weeks ago... put 150 rounds or so though it and had no issues. I used the cheapest ammo I could find too.

    Ski

    Edit: Sellier & Bellot was the ammo.

    Pic of pistol right after purchase..
    [​IMG]
     
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    Glock can not import the model in .380 as it did not earn enough points to be imported under the sporting clause by the ATF.

    Notify the dealer of the problem to give him a heads up and that you will try different ammo and see if a few hundred rounds will break it in.
     
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    It was a joke regarding reliability, I thought that was obvious.
     
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    Since people brought up other guns, if you can't get your Diamondback to work, I suggest you look at a Bersa .380. I've got one. Great little gun at a great price that has never failed to go bang.
     
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    I know the joke on reliability as I own G34 but there are a few people who believe that the .380 caliber Glock is imported here in the U.S.
     
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    No weapon should need a break in period. Would this be acceptable if it was a car?
     
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    Do you have much experience with small auto pistols ?

    I have seen two occasions where the shooter was "limp wristing" just enough that the slide failed to seat fully home on a new round at times, giving a similar situation.
     
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    HUH??
     
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    Glock revamped their stateside factory to build receivers here. They import the slides and other parts from Austria because we are not allowed to use the Tenifer process due to environmental restrictions.

    I do believe there are .380 Glocks stateside, now. The issue is that they are the same dimensions as the 9 mm pistols and don't sell that well, here.

    Why carry a .380 in a gun that is the same size as a 9 mm? If you're in a country where you are not allowed to own 9 mm, it makes sense. Not so much, here.
     
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    I'm on the band wagon with trying another brand of ammo. Some autos are just picky. I've had problems with a batch of Wolf brand in a Ruger. No pin marks still could be weird ammo.
     
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    Thanks everyone . . . great input. I'll keep reading here. But here are a few comments.

    I didn't clean it first. I'll do that tonight and re-try tomorrow.

    I bought three boxes of 50 of the same ammo . . . in hindsight I should have bought three different brands.

    My Glock 19 has NEVER misfired. But I plan to pocket carry and I don't like the way the Glock 26 felt in my hand.
     
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    I agree with most everyone else here...Try different ammo first...But to be frank, I've heard bad things about those particular pistols unfortunately...
     
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    Boom!~ I happen to shoot my G26 and G27 as well as my G19 and G23....and the compacts carry well for me.

    Triple F - since you said you didn't like the feel of the 26...I understand completely. besides, it's not a pocket carry gun to me.
    And no one should carry a gun they don't like.

    but...I am sorry...but I can't carry a gun with any known issues either. You gotta send that back to the factory (at least!) if it continues with any other ammo.

    Since you are gonna pocket carry...maybe a light snubby? they are made for that. pull, point, shoot. :p
     
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    Totally agree Solocanoe . . . nothing quite are useless (or dangerous) as a self-defense carry that is the least bit undependable. Got to have confidence that when I pull the trigger it will go boom!
     
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    Oh . . . and I had only heard good things about Diamondback. I'm worried a little now.
     
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    That ain't good no way you look at it. I would Not carry that if i had a CCW, in your shoes persay. Good luck fixing it mate.
     
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    could have been a failure to return to battery caused by either over spec ammo or under spec chamber or under powered ammo
     
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    I wouldn't trust MY life to it, best to contact manufacturer IMHO.
     
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    [Edit] I feel a bit lame. I for some reason did not read the original post closely enough, I read the first part about a failure to eject and just assumed the rest... A misfire is something completely different, obviously. So, disregard the following and listen to someone who pays more attention.


    Whoa... Let me say something before you get rid of your new piece. I have recently acquired a new Kahr P380, and experienced the same thing.

    HOWEVER, I was told by multiple people, including a deputy sheriff, an ffl holder and a fellow shooter that the Kahr should not be considered reliable until after 200 rounds. This was pretty hard to believe at first, but I was reading through the manual and it does say the same thing.

    The following is an article written by Massad Ayoob on the P380: http://www.kahr.com/Reviews2010/on-target.asp
    Notice the section of reliability. This gave me a lot more confidence in the gun and the break-in period.

    But, this was all before I had a chance to shoot it.

    So, first day at the range, I load up a magazine, lock back the slide, insert the loaded magazine, press down the slide release, and it fails to feed the first round... This happened a lot, before the 200 round mark. I also had quite a few failures to eject. However, I was expecting this, it didn't trouble me too much.

    I passed 200 rounds of FMJ through it and all of a sudden, I haven't had any failures whatsoever. It seems to favor Federal Hydra-Shoks, and I have had no malfunctions so far with this ammo.

    Of course, we are talking about two different handguns, but both are compact .380's. And know that I have absolutely no experience with the Diamondback. But guns in this category tend to be built to pretty tight tolerances and need time to loosen up and have the rough edges knocked off. I wouldn't trust it for carry yet, but I would run some more rounds through it and see what happens. You may be surprised.
     
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    Cars have a break in period ;)

    I have a DB380. It had some Failure to feed issues when it was new. One thing about that pistol is the sear reset. If you disassemble and look at the rear of the frame -- You'll see that it has two trigger bars. On the right bar (pistol pointed away from you) you sill see a tab that sticks upward, under the right rear slide tab. When you pull the trigger back, the pistol fires and the slide cycles. the slide has a ramp on it that drops the bar and resets the sear. If the trigger bar does not return to it's upward position, the sear will not reset -- Resulting in a failure to fire.

    Be sure that the triggerbar, and sear are free of debris and oiled.

    I hope that you get it straightened out. You could always send it back for repair if it continues.

    Mine has been fine although It did not like to feed some JHP.
     
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    "Another issue is you may be gripping the gun too loose or too tight. How hard you grip the gun sometimes affects an semi-auto pistol's ability to cycle (depends on the gun), so experiment with your grip."

    I want to +1 on what Twinsteel said. Your grip could definitely be the cause, especially on a small frame handgun. Pay close attention to your hand placement and wrist break. It does not mean you have weak hand strength. It has more to do with the ergonomics of your gun in relation to your grip. I had a Kahr P40 that I could not get to work for me and it did what you were explaining. Never had a problem like that before or after. And I know plenty of happy Kahr owners. It just didn't show me the love.

    On the other hand, I am not familiar with the make and model you have. It could be a defect. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you buy a pistol from a major manufacturer in a caliber no less than 9mm. I assume the pistol is for self defense. You don't want to question its reliability when you need it. If you can find a used one that some basement gunsmith has not screwed up - all the better. There are some great deals out there.
     
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    a gun for SD must shoot any ammo every time, you want it to go bang if you need it because your life depends on it.

    give it to a competent gunsmith, change all springs and the firing pin, have him cleaned it in ultrasound bath to get rid of the grid in the small hole the firing pin goes through

    get an box of ammo and if it will handle 100 rounds without any misfire, use it, if you will have one misfire, sell it and buy the next gun. Start again
    Burials are expensive, guns and ammo are cheap
     
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    No firing pin mark, its not the ammo get the gun checked by a good gun smith or take the mis fires and the gun back to the dealer.
     
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    Clean the firing pin and firing pin channels if possible, and the interior of fram around moving parts. Use a spray cleaner if disassembly is not feasible. I had a semi-auto rifle once would not fire. Externals had been cleaned at the gun store, bore was clean and clear so I shot without detail stripping. After the failure to fire, I pulled the bolt. The firing pin was stuck to the rear because of old dried cosmoline in the firing pin channel in the bolt.

    Always clean a newly aquired weapon before firing.
     
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    UPDATE - A called the gun shop a few minutes ago and they immediately said "Please bring it back to us. We'll make it right!"

    Thank goodness for a good, lically owned shop! I'm feeling much, much better!!
     
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    It would be. When you buy a brand new car, it requires a break in period too. All machinery does. Even my little N scale train says to break it in carefully.
     
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    Never heard of this brand, sucks to have problems with a new gun...now no matter what you do, you will waiting for it to fail....
    I'd take it back and trade it in...for something that works....life is too short to put up with this crap.

    Will you trust your life to this in the future?
     
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    +1 on the type of ammo. Try something with a little more punch. It sounds like the slide is not going far enough back which can be caused by under powered ammo.

    Scott
     
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    I took the gun back and the shop apologized and felt very bad. They agreed this was a significant problem . . . especially considering the lack of a firing pin mark on the two failed-to-fire rounds.

    They took the gun back, returned my money which I then gave right back to them on another gun! What a pleasure to deal with a top quality shop like Mackey's. MAYBE you pay a tad more . . . but in my mind that is money well spent.

    Thanks so much for all the help and suggestions! It's great to know their are a bunch of thoughtful people I can go to for quality advice!
     
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    Sounds like a deal to me....Congrats.
    Good people.
     
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    I'd take the gun down, clean the pin as best you can, get some oil in there, etc. I would try other ammo if you can just to eliminate the variable as others have said, but the fact that you aren't even seeing a mark being left by the firing pin leads me to believe its probably not the ammo.

    Only other things that comes to mind is
    1) how the rounds are seating in the chamber, which could mean there are problems with the magazine feeding correctly. Have you tried other mags...
    and 2) how you are holding the gun. As another said, get a good grip on it. You don't need to strangle the bullets out, but be firm. That could be it, but again the pin not even striking the primer leads me to think something mechanical is wrong.
     
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    This is one of those little quirks of an auto pistol. Unlike a revolver, an auto pistol requires a firm grip in order to operate reliably. It's a matter of physics - action and reaction.

    Now that you have a replacement (if it's an auto) this is something to keep in mind. There's a reason that a lot of us old-timers are partial to revolvers - one less thing to have to remember. :4:
     
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    Sellier & Bellot is good ammo. They also often manufacture ammo (under contract) for US ammo companies that in turn sell it under their own name.

    The only complaint I have with them is they don't offer the same large variety of bullt selection as the US manufacturers.
     
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    What is the new gun you got? Let's see pictures!
     
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    Good outcome. You found a quality shop there. And yes, let us know what you got instead!
     
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    So, what's your new gun???

    We want to know!!!

    :4: Ski
     
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    Glock 380s are law enforcement only here in the US. I don't know where they are made. Like you, I don't know why anyone would want one.
     
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    I agree with you and I would choose something that could feed any ammo every time. However, with the smaller pistols, there isn't much of a margin for error.

    In any event, most people, at least on this side of the pond, consider the 1911 .45acp as one of the best defense pistols ever yet for the first 80 or so years, the stock pistol certainly could not be reliably feed anything except FMJ. I say that only to say that many autos don't feed certain types of ammo, especially hollow points, WCs or SWCs.
     
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    New gun is a sig P238 . . . they had one that was used but seems solid and tight, Going to shoot it in a few minutes!
     
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    I just picked one up myself... love it. It's a Nitron with wood grips and night sights.

    I've had no issues with cheap ammo...

    By the way, we like pics :4:

    Ski
     
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    I was hoping someone would bring this up.
    I had a friend who bought a new rifle, shot it a few times, and then it jammed up really good.. She didn't know they shipped it packed with cosmoline.

    Not sure if all firearms are shipped this way, but many are.

    My revolver even when clean has a bet of problem ejecting brass after I have shot it a few times, because of brass expansion, and GPR building up.
     
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    Yup. I can make my Walther jam any time I want to by just limp wristing it. Just a slightly firmer grip not only improves reliability to 100% but also improves my score.
     

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