Point Blankets...anyone have one?

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  1. Antig

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    There is a local that is selling his Early's Witney 4 Point blanket for $110 and I was wondering how it compared to a genuine Hudson Bay or a surplus blanket. I was wondering if anyone had either one of the point blankets and how you like them?

    I do have two 100% wool Italian surplus blankets that are very nice but they seem to be not as thick as the point blankets. I had to boil them and stick it in the dryer in high heat setting so that they would shrink and bulk up the nap.
     
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    I have a Whitney 6 point that I love
     
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    Do you know if it is thicker than a surplus blanket?
     
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    Early's of Whitney made excellent quality wool blankets for 100s of years. Sadly they no longer make blankets. A few years ago you could buy a new Earlys of Whitney 4 point blanket for around 160.00. Their blankets are of excellent quality in my opnion. 110.00 sounds like a fair (not great) price if it is in decent condition. Early's of Whitney blankets are getting somewhat hard (not impossible) to find.
     
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    I would go with a Whitney in a heart beat, I have 3-4 point, 2-6 point and one Hudson Bay Beaver Tail 5 dot blankets and they will all keep you warm when nothing else will.......
     
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    They are far thicker than the euro military blankets.....
     
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    That's what I wanted to hear! Thanks.
     
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    I own several Early's of Whitney blankets. Wish I could purchase more but as brian posted, they are sadly no more. I was shocked to discover this lamentable state of affairs last year, yet another case of my infernal luck. If I purchase a product and happen to admire greatly, I need to buy two or three for backup as quickly as possible 'cause sure a h#!! it will be discontinued soon. Such is my curse!

    It may be heresy to some to write this, but I have always felt that a Whitney was a better made blanket than a Hudsons Bay, and I have had the opportunity to examine dozens of both brands on the rondyvoo circuit.

    $110 is a good price, not a steal but as others have written the price was about $160 a few years back. Quality is MUCH better than any surplus army balnket, bar none.

    If you want to consider other blankets in the future, search for deals on Pendeltons as well. Best quality blankets also......
     
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    i have a 5 point, and also what they call a buffalo rug it is a shrunk(tighter weave) 5 point. I use them year round.
     
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    The Hudson's Bay Company actually contracted with Witney to build their blankets for many years. Witney is now toast.....wish I'd bought more of them. They're top notch!
     
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    Did not know this! The colors and weave of the Early's blankets always seemed different to me. The colors were less "artificial" in appearance compared to a Hudsons Bay, and the weave somehow feels denser.

    Do you suppose the blankets were built to different standards?
     
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    I just picked up the blanket today but the label is no longer there so I have no idea who the maker is. Nevertheless, it seems nice and thick with fibers much longer than surplus blankets. I washed it in very hot water with a little bit of Tide detergent with hopes that it will shrink it slightly and bulk up the nap. It is now in the dryer and feeling a little gritty, I'm thinking I probably shouldn't have used the detergent.
     
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    I wish I could have responded before you washed your blanket. I washed a 6 point hbc once and it lost most of its nap. If you happen to read this before the dryer cycle finishes, quick go and get it out of there.

    I have also heard that Early's, Wiyney's and HBC's were all made by the same outfit. I have two HBC's and an Early's which was retailed by an old chain up here called Woodward's which is now gone.

    My personal experience with these blankets is that they are great when new, but they lose their nap pretty quickly and become thinner over time.

    For my money, leaving aside the cool historical associations, you're a lot better off with the heavier, tougher European army blankets. Somewhere I was recently reading about Dutch Army blankets which weigh six pounds. That is some serious wool.

    As to the Pendletons, I just bought a robe and it cost me a bit over $200. It is a lovely thing, I wanted one for years, but I would certainly not take it camping. I have two Italian army jobs which I paid ten dollars for and they are better blankets when comparing the simple practicalities.

    Your mileage may vary but that is my experience with wool blankets.
     
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    I washed the blanket by hand in steaming hot water so it was fine. Some of the fibers did come off but it was hardly any and partly due to me squeezing the water out.

    I set the drying machine on the highest temperature setting on the "very dry" cycle and it seems to have come out fine--very fluffy like a little sheep :)

    I already have some Italian blankets which I find very thin (much like felt). I will try to find some from other European countries as well since surplus blankets are very inexpensive.

    Does anyone know how the Pendleton blankets compare? They are definitely much cheaper.
     
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    I think these are the last ones making old-style (real wool, not chemically treated) blankets ANYWHERE:

    http://www.macauslandswoollenmills.com/index.html

    They are nice, if you can track one down. I need to get some more before it is too late.
     
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    Antig, perhaps this will assist. In the BP/ML community these "blankets" are a "mainstay"

    1. As already mentioned, Until recently, Early's Witney was the "prime maker "of HBC's Point blankets.
    2. In my experience no other blanket compares ( including the older Amer. "point blankets', which were smaller & lighter wt.)
    3. What do the "points mean ?? ) - Size & wt. here is a chart-
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    4. Dating can be ascertained by the Label.

    As to value = CONDITION. If in GREAT condition , then a 4 pt. @ $110.00 is a good $$

    I own 4 blankets ( 3 4pts & 1 3pt ( used reg on my bed & in the "field") & my Capote is made from a 4pt.

    [​IMG]

    Puffer
     
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    Pendelton really?
    The HB blankets are way expensive and I have been looking for another, more affordable, brand.
    Fit and finish, thickness how os the Pendelton vs Hudson Bay?
     
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    The Pendleton's are GREAT blankets BUT a whole lot LIGHTER
     
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    That actually depends on which Pendleton you are referring to. They make an amazing variety of blankets in a number of weights. One of their thickest weights (forgive me as I cannot recall the name under which it is marketed) compares favorably with a best Hudsons Bay. Some of their lightest blankets would almost be termed a woolen bed sheet, and then there seem to be two other weights in between those.

    The only reason I know this is because the mill is about a 45 minute drive from our house, and we visit fairly frequently to purchase seconds. A Pendleton second can be marked as such for things like color variation, shortness in length (3/4" makes it a second1), thin spots (we avoid those), or any of a myriad of reasons.

    Since the blankets are actually produced at that mill, we feel assured that we know exactly what we are getting, whether seconds or first quality. Granted, it is far more money than an Italian wool blanket, but I have to write that comparing one of those with some of the upper end Pendletons and claiming the surplus blanket is better seems a bit optimistic at best. Heck, there is a weight of blanket sold by Pendleton which I didn't mention that would better serve as a rug!

    All that being written, I cannot claim one brand is better than another. I own four Early's, a couple of Woolrich (Civil War series), and perhaps a half dozen Pendletons. There are also a few no-name wool blankets around the house. I love 'em all and would be hard pressed to pick one out as my favorite, but if it were necessary there is a particular Pendleton that would be my reluctant first choice (wouldn't want to leave any behind ya understand!).
     
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    Stand "corrected" Thank You
     
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    If it's of any use, I have a feeling that the pendleton and hbc situations in canada and usa are reversed. Up here the real pendleton trading robes seen at pow wows and such are mucho dinero but you can score Early's in their various brands fairly reasonably, whilst if what Ive seen on ebay is any indication, the hbc's and the like are expensive down in the us and pendletons are quite expensive up here and used ones almost never encountered for sale.
     
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    I believe you are completely correct in this regard. I note that Pendleton makes an incredible variety of trading robes based on authentic originals in their collection, which are wildy popular on the pow-wow circuit. And just as with any other product, perceived desirability makes for higher prices.

    If it is easier to obtain, as blankets are around here, it is simply going be less expensive. I passed on a good used Pendleton at a thrift shop the other day because I didn't feel like spending the 55 bucks they were asking. It was a good deal, heck a great deal considering the quality of the blanket, but I wanted to spend even less. Such is the "perceived desirability" when living so close to the mill I guess.
     
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    Being fairly new to this forum, I have observed that the high level of activity here on the forum has kept me talking about wool blankets an awful lot. That is fine. :)

    Like some of the other folks here, I own a large number of Early's Witney Point and Hudson Bay blankets. As Wolfy mentioned in an earlier post, many of the Hudson Bay blankets were made by Witney at one time. The Witney Blanket Story http://witneyblanketstory.org.uk/WBP.asp?navigationPage=North%20America

    Not only do I (we) own many fine Early's Witney Point blankets, but I own several capotes (hooded coat, if you will), matchcoats, pullover shirts, and winter leggings all made from Early's Witney Point blankets.

    The difference between a good, well taken care of, Early's Witney Point blanket and a military blanket in terms of warmth is, day and night. I think we own most of the surplus military blankets out there (purchased for projects) and NONE compare in warmth. The Witney's thick PURE NEW WOOL, and construction methods make it a superior blanket.

    Only one manufacturer of blankets that I prefer over either Witney or Hudson Bay blankets; this is my blankets hand-woven by CJ Wilde of Wilde Weavery. My preference is slight here since I have spent many a night under an Early's Witney Point in the snow-covered mountains all snug and content.

    BTW, in temperatures less than cool and mild, we serious blanket users like to use TWO blankets. When folded properly, this allows for two layers of blanket under the body, two over. Wearing a wool stocking cap and wool socks under the blanket (s) will allow the whole experience to be a pleasant one.
     
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    OK, all you blanket freaks out there may be interested in reading a book by Harold Tichenor entitled "The Blanket, an illustrated history of the Hudson's Bay Point Blanket". It is available from the Museum of the Fur Trade in Chadron, Nebraska. It was produced for the Hudson's Bay Company and has a myriad of photos of the blankets themselves and the lables affixed to them throughout history as well as a documented history of the companies involved in their production.

    The discussion of weight versus warmth has much to do with the length of the wool fibres themselves. The longer the fibers the more durable they are for the amount of airspace between the fibers. Many of the military blankets are recycled wool that in order to be more durable must be made heavier and thicker. Their airspaces are tighter together and not as large as with the virgin wool, hence the need for more actual fibers to make up the difference.
     
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    Thanks! I'll check that book out.
    I love my old HBC four point...
     
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    That is great info to share, to know what each one of those blankets weighed new would be some great additional information.
     
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    Have a Whitney Ganagaro 4 point and I love it. Have had for maybe 10-12 years. Spent many a below freezing night on the trail with just it a capote and hand sewn hemp ground cloth!
     
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    pointblanket_zpsb61beb98.jpg

    A peek at mine which currently on the bed, its cold these days.
     
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    I bet it is a bit chilly!!!! Mine is wrapped up in a roll with all manner of cool gear inside. Wrapped with my hemp tumpline. Ready for the woods.
     
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    Bumping an old thread, but i just picked up a Hudson Bay 4 point in great condition. Here is the tag from it:

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    Traded one to shnick. I loved it and was hoping no one would take that one off my hands but the wife told me i had too much wool laying around. I think i had over 150 lbs of blankets.
     
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    ups just delivered 2 Italian mil sur blankets today, I'm still wool deficient. Takes awhile to build a kit or 3
     
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    I was at the local thrift store the other day. They had a Hudson bay three point for $75. Looking around I see a beautiful cream colored wool blanket the same size for six dollars. No name tag, but it is the better quality blanket. Always look past the name tag.
     
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    I was going to say the same thing....many Hudson's bay blankets were made by Whitney
     
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    I bought a Red 4 point whitneys blanket at the local good will for 6 bucks . I felt like I was stealing from them. Since then I have bought 8-10 other wool blankets from them. They always say as is?????? I wonder if they mean like new. People apparently no longer like durable goods.
     
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    Thickness is not the mesurement to use,the lofter the wool the warmer the blanket.Surplus blankets are not that warm due to the compresion of the wool/material.

    A" warm " blanket is not cheap.
     
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    I have 85+ year old 4 point HB that I sleep with every night.
    It's not nearly as thick and nice as it used to be but keeps me warm without much heat on in winter.

    If it gets really cold I have a Rob Stone 4 point blanket to end all misery.
     
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    And I'm lovin' it Bob!
    Feel free to bring another in January! :4:
     
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    Personally, I would *love* a Hudson's bay blanket for my kit. Having trouble finding them
    For a half-reasonable price, though...
     
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    I have noticed they tend to go on sale just before Christmas and again in very late winter/early spring. Now is the time everyone is buying so dealers are getting retail or close to it for them. By mid December some dealers should have better prices. Last year I saw a few places selling them new for $259-$280 for a 4-point blanket just before Christmas. That is when I bought mine for $259 shipped.
     
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    End of winter is usually the best time to buy them. When people are packing them up for storage.

    Etsy usually has plenty of blankets for decent prices. Expect $250 range for a clean no holes good looking blanket. But you can find them in the $150 range when they have tags cut out, a little stain, and maybe a small hole. They are still very functional with all those issues, so if your looking for function over looks, snatch up the blanket that has some cosmetic issues. Just be sure to watch shipping charges, the blankets are bulky and can cost a bit to ship.
     
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    I have been into primitive camping the last couple of years and decided to give wool blankets a try. I am deathly allergic to wool, but figured my contact with the blanket would be slim to none. Boy was that a mistake. I acquired two point blankets, one antique and one from the 1950’s. I tried sitting on the couch with one across my lap for a while, I looked like I had just walked through a fire when I pulled it off.
    I sold them to the good home of a member in Florida; I assume they are still there.
     
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    Now is also a good time to visit your local Goodwill stores for deals on these.
    Check often you will eventually find one.
     
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    Ouch, yes if your allergic you don't want to use wool blankets.
     

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