Serrated Knives dont suck!

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  1. Bill Cox

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    I know a lot of people think serrated knives have no place in the woods, personally I think they make great bush knives. That being said all of my carry fixed blades a plain edged but all of my folders are either partially serrated or fully serrated. My favorite folder is my Ontario Utilitac II which is a Serrated tanto:O and it absolutely rocks for a bush folder. It has a fine tip for carving or digging splinters ect out of fingers and its serrations make some of the best feathersticks I have seen.

    All im saying is dont knock it till you try it... you might like it!!!:57:

    Thanks Bill

    [video=youtube;3q1qa1NAVNY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q1qa1NAVNY&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
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    BCUSA: debunking myths since 2009. Good stuff Bill I didn't know that myself I always assumed they would stink at shavings.
     
  3. Bill Cox

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    Its like a tracker, you catch it in the groove and just ride it down. They can make really fine shavings and curls.

    Thanks Bill
     
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    I have never been against them. I just dont like half half blades.

    A straight fixed blade and serrated folder are an awesome combo.

    I wasnt aware they were so good at shavings though and its good to know..
     
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    but...but...but all the people on youtube told me that serrated blades are BAD..... :38:
     
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    Bear Grylls was right after all!
     
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    that's impressive i wouldn't expect that either, I still wouldn't carry one though. to me i only see disadvantages, i cant think of anything they do better than a sharp straight edge.
     
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    Guess I'm old fashioned because thats the way I feel - never did see the need for serations and I can make shavings just fine with a plain edge. But to each his/her own.....
     
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    I've been thinking of getting a part serrated blade, something like an esee 3, and keep the one serration that is closest to the tip of the blade, but then grinding down the rest to make a straight blade. The result would be the straight blade from the tip to the first serration, then a quarter round, then another straight blade. Kind of like a Tracker. Those serrations on the esee 3 look good for that - they are more like half circles than pointy arches.
     
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    Okay now I gotta try it like a draw knife.
     
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    Resist sharpening :4:
     
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    I carry my Leatherman Wave and others before it everyday and absolutely love the serrated blade on it. Wouldn't be without it. Thanks for adding more reasons why it's the right choice for me to do so.
     
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    But....bad-guys always have the serrated swords:

    cutthroat-island.jpg
     
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    Bah humbug. You'll be using an ESEE next. Oh wait.... :35: just kiddin' bud. Although this opinion may go down in history as one of our battles epic enough to rival the bitter and legendary, "RAT vs. ESEE" feud.... :4: I CHALLENGE THEE WITH THY SERRATED RAT AGAINST MINE PLAIN EDGED ESEE! ....It's early. Ignore me. Those are some darn purty shavings though. Good job on mythdebunking as usual, bro :14:

    ....Wait, is that faint metallic rattling I hear perhaps your THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER?!...Okay, seriously, I'm done now...Peace out...

    :57:

    PS: Y'know, if you ever wanna part with that serrated utilitac.....:13:
     
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    The only down side with serrations I can see would be skinning or trying to shave. I guess that’s why they put the serration toward the handle and not by the tip.

    What about sharpening?

    Geoff
     
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    Nice folder ... and I agree, it makes some terrific shavings and curls.

    The big issue many folks have with serrated knives is the inevitable sharpening session (assuming you are a heavy user of said blade). It's not a difficult process ... but it is a very time-consuming and tedious process to do it *right*. Unlike the groove you get into with frequent sharpening sessions of your straight blade.
     
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    This is what I was thinking about. The front of the blade would be normal straight edge (piercing, drilling, detail carving etc). Right past the belly you would have a section of serrations (rope cutting, food slicing etc) and then toward the choil you would go back to straight (details and carving). Funny you don't see any like that.
     
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    Great job man...I own an ESEE-3 with serrations and it does great at making shavings. Like said above...catch the grooves and you'll get multiple curls in a single slice. :D As for sharpening...ESEE serrations can be sharpened on a flat stone. I just did a video on it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UnVj1orXvE
     
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    De gustibus non est disputandum
     
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    I like serrations. All my folders have been half and half. I use the serrated part for rough cutting...cardboard, rope, etc. It keeps the plain blade sharp for the finer tasks at hand. Just my $.02.
     
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    I despise serrations, just because I do. No rhyme or reason.

    However,IMHO if you can't make a serrated knife work for outdoors use it's your skill set that is lacking. Not the knife.
     
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    I disliked serrations also, but have come to appreciate them when skinning. The part where you have to cut around tendons at the joints to break the limb, I use the serrated edge to grind through the tough tendon-like area and save my edge. Using a straight edge to cut through this tough bony part really kills the edge on my knife.
     
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    I prefer straight edge knives, especially because they are easier to sharpen, but I carry two serrated edge folding knives.
     
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    Thanks Bill,

    Ive been putting togther material for just this sort of thing...A cuple more trips and will have enough to finish the whole "serrated blades suck" thing. They sharpen just as easy, and cut carve and can skin anything a regular blade can do.

    You showed the first part excellent! well done. Would love to see some more when you can
     
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    lol i didn't think of that!
     
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    One of my folders in a partially serated S&W, and I love it. While all my other blades are straight, the S&W has been with me for years, and has yet to let me down.
     
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    Hmm. I don't recall ever having any trouble with cutting tendons on elk or deer with a plain sharp blade.

    I think I mentioned before that I have a couple folders that are partially serrated. All things being equal, I wouldn't choose for those serrations to be there - but I tolerate 'm and get along fine with 'em there. I don't think they add any usefulness to the knife (and I've put much of the claims to the test), and in fact they can be a bit of a hindrance - but those knives are good enough otherwise that I can overlook it. It's not that big a deal.
     
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    Most serrated blades are chisel grind, i.e. the bevel occurs on only one side, the side with the serrations, but the blade is flat on the other side. A quick little sharpening trip is to sharpen the flat side of the blade at a rather obtuse angle (e.g. 30 degrees) putting a micro-bevel on the normal flat side. This will spiff a blade up with very little work.

    I've only really used serrated knives on boats where cutting line and rope are common. They exceed flat blades massively when cutting through thick rope and take a much longer time to dull compared to a flat blade - especially since a lot of rope on boats pick up sediment and grit and will a blade quickly.
     
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    Serrations? No thanks
     
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    My only complaint about serrations is field sharpening. That's literally my only complaint, is the maintanence.
     
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    Not when it comes to his choice of "beverages"...

    The serrations make great shredded shavings... Scraping thin bark off works great for a quick pile.
     
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    any particular reason as to why?
     
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    I think a lot of people missed the point of this thread, its intended purpose was to show that it can be fairly useful tool in accomplishing one of the more important tasks when bushcrafting. Thanks for the responses.

    Thanks Bill

    PS Howie, I do have some more stuff in the works showing how useful they are and ill be sure to post it up here.
     
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    Just curious, why not?
     
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    I have a mini-griptillian that is half serrated that cuts like a dream. The only thing it doesn't do better than my fixed blades is baton.
     
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    i own a gerber LMF2.
    and while it is a good knife, i HATE the serrated blade.
    IMO, gerber would've been better off putting the serrations on the back of the knife instead... :33:
     
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    I don't hate serrations per say, but I have several times had a serrated knife and wished it was a straight blade. However, it has never been the other way around. If its what you got then it will get it done, but I find it annoying when trying to do any carving/notching and especially cleaning fish/game. So with that said, if I only have one knife on me, I prefer to not have serrations.
     
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    I've purchase a bunch of serrated blades over the years and regretted every single purchase. I either threw them away or gave them to people that didn't know any better and thought they were neat.

    Two years ago I purchase four more knives with serrated blades to put through some test. The test confirmed I didn't miss anything and they are still a bad choice. :)

    They have been laying in the bottom draw since the conclusion of the test and likely will never see the light of day.
     
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    I don’t care for serrations. They are usually in the way, on the portion of the blade I use the most. For example they get in the way when making good feather sticks. I have not come a cross a situation where they out preformed a well sharpened edge. They are not as easy to re-sharpen in the field with common or makeshift materials. Mors Kochanski does not recommend them either.
     
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    Did you watch the video?
     
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    I think I am convinced that I should try out a serrated knife.
     
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    I use a chainsaw file, works great
     
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    Another time when serations work good, I have cut hundreds of limbs off trees when using my tree climber. My Kershaw easily cuts through limbs up to 2 inches/ quietly
     
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    Personally, I would not choose a knife with serrations, but they are good at making shavings, notching, cutting ropes, etc. I am ok with a dedicated serrated blade on a folder. The one on my leatherman wave came in real handy while cutting through a 2 inch polypro rope that had wrapped around the shaft of a ride on mower. It went through that like butter.

    If you think about it, knapped flint blades are serrated and they easily cut hides and flesh.
     
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    Nice video and great points made
     
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    AMEN!!! Preach it, Brother! :51:
     
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    I have some, in the bottom of my junk drawer. and on in the shop. For out doors give me a sharp plane edge every time. Im not a fan
     
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    I find serrations to be a huge pia sharpening compared to the ease of a plain edge, also I don't find that serrations actually cut any better, actually worse in my opinion, they seem to tear or saw through rather than slice. But that's just my experience
     
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    I love serrations.. Just not the tricky sharpening part ..
     
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