Skull identification?

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  1. unit

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    I was out hiking today (central Missouri) and I came upon a fallen tree. I have been waiting for a long time for this hollowed out tree to fall;)

    Anyway it was blocking the trail so I tried to clean things up a bit (unsuccessfully) for the next guy and this skull was in the debris. I'd guess by the size and tooth shape that this could be a fox skull? Really I am unsure...any experts want to help me out?

    Thank you, friends!
     

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    My guess is coon.
     
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    hmm... looks canine, but definatly not fox or coyote... some sort of small dog thay got eaten by the wildlife??
     
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    Definitely a raccoon. Got eight or nine of their skulls sitting up on a shelf.
     
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    my guess (and it is a non-professional guess) is also coon.

    canines on a possum would be longer, i think. fox has a narrower skull.

    again, just my 2 cents.
     
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    Canine skulls have more of a pronounced snout, whereas this reminds me of a small bear, which is often a dead giveaway to raccoons. I guess diet dictates the skull formation of all sizes.
     
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    skull

    Alien from Mars :rolleyes:
     
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    Wow! Thanks for all the replies so far. There are certainly plenty of raccoons around here, and I thought that at first also...for some reason I decided it was not a coon...not sure I can recall that reason at the moment LOL.

    I guess I jsut thought raccoons had a little more forehead and a bit wider skull for the length....I am far from an expert though.
     
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    Thats a coon for sure, where there any other bones scattered around the area?
    soak the skull in bleach for a spell to whiten it up, makes a great mantle piece, right now i have deer head buried so nature can clean it up, then that will be bleached and grace the wall.
     
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    Nope no other bones in the area that I could find.

    Last year I found these teeth though. I am always finding neat body parts;)
     

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    They fit the profile of beaver teeth, nice.
     
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    I am no expert, but I think the teeth may be from a possum.:6:
     
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    The teeth (not the skull) were previously identified as woodchuck/groundhog teeth. They are a bit small for the beaver we have in this area.

    Opossum have NUMEROUS small pointy teeth. I believe they have the most teeth of any land mammal (I *think* that is what the local conservation department said during a presentation I attended). They are really interesting animals that get very little respect in this area (beyond being viewed as nocturnal speed bumps).
     
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    That is cool I was just going off of what someone told me once, I have never looked that close to a possum's mouth.LOL
     
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    I was watching a show yesterday that was talking about the oppossum species and how diverse it really is, it was actually a show targeted at kids but i always find myself watching it on saturday mornings lol, any way it was really interesting, apparentlly there the only related marsupial-spelling? native to north america, very cool little bugger.
     
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    I have heard that too. I wonder if there are any other marsupials that live outside of Down Under?
     
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    For the skull I say coon or possum.
     
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    That is definitely a opossum, I remember it too well from my final exam college.
     
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    Bear...grilyss :4:
     
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    If you got that question right on the test, your teacher was wrong too.:22:

    It is raccoon. Not a guess.
     
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    Got a coyote and two wolves in the backyard for the same reason.
     
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    Looks like a coon to me.
     
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    I have googled a few images. I am quite confident that it is a Raccoon. This skull is bulbous in the rear unlike the images I have seen posted for opossum skulls (that all appear to have a ridge that almost appears like a mo-hawk (for lack of a better description).

    Thanks for all the help guys!

    I would LOVE to see some of the skulls you fellows talk about having, and the manner in which you display them.
     
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    I never said I got it right, I just said I remembered it from the test:27:
     
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    I will have to agree that it looks like racoon
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    skull

    looks like a coon...

    glad i saw this thread, about a month back i was doing a few of the bushclass usa assignments and found this skull in the woods. idk what it is
    what do you guys think?.....hobbit?
     

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    Fawn it looks like to me. Eye shape, tooth shape, etc.

    On second look.. rabbit? Do you have the skull still? Any measurements could help. I want to say deer fawn, but even then it looks a tad small.
     
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    i'll measure it tomorrow .....it was pretty big for a rabbit, larger than my fist by quite a bit
    It was in southern missouri
     
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    I have a coyote skull, and a young beaver (missing the lower jaw) sitting on the top of my computer desk. A couple of European white-tail mounts on the wall above them. The coyote skull had to be wired together (museum style) to attach the jaw bone, and hold the two lower front pieces together.

    Those look like deer teeth to me, too. As far as size, it could have been still born. House cat skulls look half the size they ought to, also.
     
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    Deer skull. Missing nasal area.
     
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    Yeah, its' the size that is confusing me, but also that eye socket. I haven't seen too many juvenile remains up here, so I always suspect things when I start to analyze remains that could possibly be juvenile of one species, or a completely different species altogether.

    When working on one of the burial mounds up here, we had both dog and child remains in the same pit. Really difficult for me to discern the differences. Luckily we had some really good physical anthropologists who specialized in burial identifications.
     
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    I have no idea about other species, but the human eye only grows about 7 mm (1/4") from birth, to adulthood. I guess that's why kittens, puppies and babies seem to be "all eyes". The eyes (and sockets) are essentially the same size at birth as they will be as adults.
     
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    My guess is a coon also, a fox would have a temporal ridge that runs from front to back on the top of the skull.
     
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    Aye, that was what I was thinking. Then I saw the gent's hand beside the skull and went "well... I have seen mighty big eye sockets on some hares and rabbits.. could this be one of the big Swamp Bunnies we get up here?" Annnd that was where I lost my confidence :p
     
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    I'm voting no on the rabbit, just because of the teeth/jaw construction.

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    The teeth alone say no now. Thanks for the pics, they solved the wondering in my head.

    Why I never went downstairs to look at the rabbit and hare skulls..

    Blame it on the long week.
     
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    Definitely raccoon.
     

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