1095 budget Knife bender...

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  1. WILL

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    I don't know what's wrong with me lately, but I'm on a knife buying bender. I currently own a PKS Buffalo Skinner, and at first I had some concerns over the handle shape, but it's turned out to be a fantastic GP knife. After many hours of camp and carving use, I've a great respect for 1095 steel now. Holds an edge well and I can actually sharpen it. That's saying something for me LOL.

    Anyhow, I got it in my head that I should own a back-up knife, you know, just in case. Originally, I didn't want to spend the $125ish dollars, so, I opted for this budget 1095 Jeff White knife for $55 on E-Bay...
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    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jeff-White-JRT-5-Blade-Knife-and-Full-Leather-Sheath/163341040124?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648

    Seemed like all the features I like, and not the typical tiny Jeff White handle. My understanding is that Jeff produced a run of these knives for the vendor who designed the shape.

    Then I saw this Pukko style knife for $44 delivered and couldn't resist. Mystery build on this one, but looks good on paper....

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/9-CUSTOM-HANDMADE-1095-HIGH-CARBON-STEEL-SCANDI-GRIND-BUSH-CRAFT-KNIFE/113317896407?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648

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    So two knives with leather sheaths for under $100. I feel guilty but happy at the same time. I'll let you know how things work out. I guess this thread could turn into a long term review over time.
     
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    I like them!
     
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    Looks like money well spent :dblthumb:
     
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    That pukko is from Murt art in Australia. I looked over several of their knives. Some of them are absolutely gorgeous. You can find them for sale on eBay.
     
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    Yup, I don't know how either of these companies stay in business. I don't believe I could purchase the materials and build them myself that cheaply, never mind the cost of shipping.
     
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    Those Murt Knives are plumb purty… I didn't know they existed. I may need to look into one or three.
     
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    They don't use cheap steel, either. Most of the ones I scoped out are either 1095, or 01. The sheaths look to be well made, also.
     
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    Congrats on your new acquisitions.

    I'll keep an eye out for your future reviews.
     
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    I really think 1095 is one for the best steels out there. Sure it won't hold an edge better than a super steel, but it's tough, easy to sharpen, and affordable.

    It has never taken me more than 3 minutes to put a razor edge on my 1095 knives. And I can keep them that sharp with minimal effort in the field.

    And let's not forget how cool it can look when it patinas.

    I think it is easy to get caught up in the trend towards expensive steel. If you can't get a 1095 knife to do what you want it to do, good chance that it isn't the knife at fault.
     
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    That looks nothing like a typical Jeff White knife. Really nice.
     
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    I just ordered the same Jeff White knife. I couldn't stop myself.
     
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    I think that Murt is nice.
    Is that flat ground, or hollow?
     
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    That’s a pretty sharp looking blade! I’ll stick with the basic 1095 carbon steel, 420HC, and the like. You know. The blade steels that have been used for roughly the past century.

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    Nice! I saw that Jeff White the other day on eBay. That is a good looking knife, Will. He does a great job on his knives. That is a gorgeous handle on the other blade as well.
     
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    The revival of appreciation for 1095 is really interesting to me. 25 years ago it was considered a perfectly ho-hum steel. Now its use is prominently mentioned and considered an asset.

    I don't disagree with newfound respect, either.
     
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    Last two knives I have made are from 1095 and they are great cutters.
    You got some really nice deals there.
     
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    I love 1095 it holds an edge reasonably well and is easy to sharpen in the field.
     
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    I like the puukko!
     
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    I need to stop clicking on threads like this. Too much temptation...
     
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    This eBay vendor sells a lot of Pakistan-made knives, not that the one pictured doesn't look like the maker cared. The "puukko" looks nice. Tell us how it turns out, please.

    The sheaths from that part of the world are often not good for storing non SS knives. Must be the tanning chemicals. But sewing seems good.
     
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    I should try to meet up with the maker!
    Amazing! Nice Aussie made knives!
     
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    1095, as with other steels, makes a perfectly nice blade...with the assumption the heat treat is done well. I do like the looks of those knives.
     
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    Hmmm I read through that thread. It focused on their "damascus" offerings and, aside from determining the Pakistan origin, it was just a bunch of flaming. I had been hoping for a more objective and hands-on evaluation.
     
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    I figured China/ Taiwan, but who knows. I'm not averse to trying foreign products, and have had fantastic luck by taking such chances. I've owned two Bulgarian hatchets, El Salvador knife, Brazilian machete, multiple Chinese fero-rods, a Turkish shotgun, Filapino 1911, ect, that all turned out to be outstanding values. We'll see. If it's poor quality I'm only out $44.
     
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    You can tell where its made if you have it in hand?

    The ones I bought were "from Canada" ("Timur Knives") but came by mail directly from Pakistan. They were pretty well made, sharp with good F&F, just not from Canada.
     
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    I too looked at that thread. It does mention Damascus but focused on the facts that everyone, including a guy from Australia, thought showed that the knives it were not actually Aussie. I don't know, but the English used is a tad odd -- like mine sometimes.
     
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    Right, I said "aside from determining the Pakistan origin", as in that was the one factual value-add in that thread. No debate there.

    My comment on an "objective and hands-on evaluation" was in the context of gauging its quality. Because the rest of the thread was people bashing them as junk even though they'd never handled one. In my opinion, echo-chamber reviews are mostly worthless hot air.
     
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    I see no reason why a good knife cannot be made anywhere. I do see that a lot of buying at a distance is based on trust. I guess I trust a Pakistani maker more when he says he's from Pakistan. Still, I am not disappointed so far with my three Paki knives, especially considering the prices, even if the seller lied about where they were made. YMMV
     
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    No where did I imply that the Murt Art Knives are good or bad. Good and bad are very subjective terms and can have a variety of means depending on the situation and the persons perspective.

    The issue for me is the misrepresentation of where Murt Art Knives are made. If a company isn't going to be transparent about the origin of manufacture, how can you be sure they are not lying to you about the steel that they use? What about their quality of heat treat? Really?! They say up to 58 'HRS' on Rockwell scale which means it could be any HRC value.

    One of the three main tenets under the BCUSA logo is 'integrity.' And from what I have seen, Murt Art has none. Personally I'd rather not promote or even be associated with such a company.

    Whether you, Will, like the Murt Art knife or not is your prerogative. I hope it turns out for you as anticipated.

    I am not trying to be confrontational, just trying to be realistic.

    Now as for your Bulgarian, El Salvadorian, Brazilian, Chinese, Turkish, Filipino products, did you buy them with the expectation that they were from their perspective originating countries and not some other like Pakistan? Just curious?
     
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    To directly answer your question, they never said, and I never assumed they were made in Australia. The E-Bay add says that's where it's currently located. If anything, based on the broken English I suspected it was made in China or Taiwan and distributed or had an office in Ausi. I knew from the start I was taking a chance based on what I could see. I have owned a Jeff White knife in the past, and I'm very clear on what to expect with that product. With Murt Art, all I can say is we'll see. I'll never know for sure what the steel or Rockwell hardness is. However, I can quantify if the craftsmanship is good, if it holds an edge and sharpens like 1095. I agree with Kronin that I'm not going to pass judgment or draw conclusions until I use the product. It was $44 with an E-Bay guarantee. I've never had a problem with E-Bay making things right if there's a problem, so why not? Folks, you can kick back and enjoy a new product review on me. No charge.
     
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    Thank you, Will.
     
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    Nice. And good deal.
     
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    Workin it.....
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    Good looking knives indeed. Looking forward to a long term review.
     
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    Nice review on the White JRT knife!
     
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    Count me in as a fan of 1095. I have several Schrade Old Timer knives (USA) and love the steel. Those marked Schrade Walden are pre-1973 or so, and bring more $. The Uncle Henry line, and those marked Schrade + are SS, and can be brittle. I managed to break a couple of them doing things they weren't intended to do.
     
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    “Then I saw this Pukko style knife for $44 delivered and couldn't resist. Mystery build on this one, but looks good on paper....

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/9-CUSTOM-HANDMADE-1095-HIGH-CARBON-STEEL-SCANDI-GRIND-BUSH-CRAFT-KNIFE/113317896407?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p206035



    Ordered this guy a week or so ago. Arrived today and first impression is it’s a winner. Fit and finish is excellent. Balance is really good and handle is very comfortable. I will test the heat treat this weekend but seems good so far.

    The sheath is meh but it does the job until I make a nice one for it.

    Thanks for the heads up on this one
     
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    The puukko came in today. So as much as I hate them, this is pretty much an unboxing review. The leather sheath doesn't have the tooling as shown, but was double stitched. I'd guess it at about 6 oz leather. It was a bit dried out, so I hit it with some conditioner. All in all, I like the sheath and it appears to be decent quality. It fits the knife well.

    Unlike the Jeff White knife, the puukko came shaving sharp. The fit and finish are immaculate. The spine has a nice 90 degree edge that throws sparks well. The wood handle is beautiful. I did have some concerns over the tang strength, so I battoned a pile of wood with it. I realize battoning with a puukko is not ideal, and I generally don't batton any of my knives, but I wanted to put my mind at ease. Anyhow, no problem, tight as before I started. I also cut some feather sticks. It was still shaving sharp when I finished and the edge undamaged. I really enjoy the handling characteristics if the puukko.

    On the Jeff White knife the jimping and blade thickness bug me a bit. Although the jimping does make for fantastic fatwood shavings. Long term review to follow....

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    I just noticed what I believe is a hairline crack forming in the middle of the wood handle on the puukko. That didn't take long.
     
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    If it separates I would love to see what the tang looks like. Could be an “opportunity” for a rehandle project:)
     
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    I was thinking the same thing:). I'm going to batton it some more over the next few days to force the issue, so we'll see.

    This is my first puukko, and I'm pretty sure its failure is my fault, not the knife's, so I won't be returning it. When I was battoning it, the force of my strikes was actually stinging my left hand, so that was definitely abusive to this style of knife. I don't have enough puukko experience to say for sure, and would love to hear from puukko owners if failure is common with that type of use. Closest I've come was a Mora, and I chipped the crap out of the blade on that knife with battoning. Another example of why I don't like batonong, but it sure does quickly reveal a knife's weakness, or strength. To that point, I've also battoned my PKS and the Jeff White without issue.

    Anyhow, this is my way of affordably testing the puukko waters to see if this style knife is a good fit for me. Stay tuned.
     
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    Ah, I see the crack you're talking about...
     
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