$17.20 Gasifier Stove w/ Mod

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    My no-name gasifier stove came in today. All the way from China for $17.20.
    If you've seen the reviews it appears every bit as good as the Silverfire Scout or Solo stove, with maybe a few exceptions.
    There is one video in-particular on the tube where the guy pretty much harped on the negatives the whole video. And that was his reasoning for spending 50 bucks or so more for the name brand and recommending it. To each his own, right? Well he did make a couple good points, so I thought I'd see about correcting them.

    The stove
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    As you can see, the fold out pot legs are kind of wide for a canteen cup or smaller container. A pretty big negative, right?
    My solution? Don't fold them out all the way! Does this really take a brain surgeon?
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    Sure, it might look unstable, but the cantilever effect will prevent them from folding either outward or inward once the vessel is in place. And it it bothers you that much, build a small tripod to use. I know I plan to. It might be nice to get the pot a few inches above the hot flame. Plus it will allow you to keep feeding the fire.
    So I'm calling this negative a non-factor. Besides, the older versions had the same legs.
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    Another more pertinent point the fellow kept mentioning was the lack of an ash tray. The cheaper stove does not have anything under the place where you build your fire. Nothing in-between the air intake holes and the ground. Or in the youtubers case, the dry, combustible stump where he tried his cheaper stove out and left a black circle burned into the wood. Twice... :rolleyes:
    Not a problem.

    4-8x32 bolts and 12 nuts. Plus an old coffee can lid I cut out using one of those can openers that leaves a safe edge and a drill bit. And I have my ash tray/heat deflector.
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    The bottom. All nested together. The oddball bolt head is going to bother me. Wish I hadn't seen it, lol.
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    Into the MSR Seagull pot
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    I still have to break it in by cooking something on it. Hmm, maybe that punk wood... but I'm sure it will work just fine and it didn't cost me four extra Opinels or whatever else I could spend the extra money on ;)
     
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    First Burn

    I put in some hardwood pellets to just a little above the fuel pan. About two cups worth. Then I used a paper towel with a little olive oil on it on top to get it lit.
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    I had a real good flame for about 30-40 minutes, which was affected by the wind.
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    After that it turned to coals pretty quick, but it was still very hot within a few inches of the top.
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    I moved the stove, which was cool to the touch on the bottom ring, and the metal platform that was underneath was cool to the touch. So my ash tray/heat deflector is working.

    As all this was going on and I was enjoying the flame, I was pondering that little bowl that came with the stove. Popular youtuber theory seems to think it might be for a fuel tablet. I think it might be for something else.
    I think it's a damper/flame spreader. I will test that theory next time I fire it up.
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    Yep. That small dish is a diffuser of sorts. It will damper down that huge flame into something more suited for cooking done at a lower temp. I wouldn't doubt if it doesn't increase your burn time, also.
    This was a foot high flame like above until I put the dish on.
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    Very interesting, I am digging this little thing. Provide a link please?
     
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    I thought the dish was for gel fuels.
     
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    The seller I purchased from doesn't appear to have any more. Looks like I lucked out with the $17.20, but there's one on Amazon for $20.

    I've seen a couple guys say that, but I wouldn't know where to sit it where it isn't either too far below the pot inside the stove, or too close to the pot like where I have it. Maybe you configure the stove differently to use it? I'll have to see if the pot ring fits on the bottom ring with the vents. It works pretty well as a flame buffer though.
    A lot of guys on youtube discard them, but I'm leaving mine in the kit.
     
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    Of all the double walled stoves out there, this one is the best buy. It has more fuel capacity than the others. It's my personal choice if I had to buy one again. Everything about it it is GOOD ;-)
     
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    A couple nights ago I filled it up to within an inch of the top gasifier holes and it stayed going for 1-1/2 hours. I was surprised the coals stayed lit for that long. And it was definitely hot enough to still be cooking on. This was with pellets.
     
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    I like pellets as a fuel, good stuff ;-)
     
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    Forty pounds for five bucks at a pellet stove place :)
    And I guess that because it's a fuel source, there isn't any sales tax :59:
     
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    There ya go. That's the lowest price I've seen yet.
     
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    excellent write up and modifications. i didn't even think about the heat defector plate but an excellent addition and i might have to steal the idea ;) i picked the same one off of ebay for $20 haven't used it much but it's pretty good for the price
     
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    Thanks. I think the mod is a big improvement if it throws as much heat as the one video I saw.
     
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    Yep, pellets are great, good even heat for quite a while with no fussing. About 2/3 of a cup will boil a qt of water in the bushcooker with a good amount of simmer time after. Made a small grate of the 1/4" HW cloth to keep the pellets from falling out the bottom.

    And you cant beat the price, almost free...40# will last a looooong time!

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    If you're keeping a stove in your car for emergency use, wood pellets are a lot more stable than other fuels.
     
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    Pellets rock. They last a long time, too.
     
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    Keep them stored in a plastic bag that can be sealed well. Moisture in the air will be absorbed by them and they will revert back to saw dust.
     
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    I've got a see through Nalgene type bottle. I'll have to keep an eye on the 39+lbs still in the plastic bag they came in.
     
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    Check the plastic bag, if it tiny pin holes in it, store it inside somewhere to keep moisture away from the bag.

    It will take some practice to learn the art of burning pellets in you little wood burner.
     
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    I've bought 6 of those Chinese twig stoves: 1 for me, and 5 for some of the younger Grandsons. The wee stoves work great, and they love wood pellets.

    I bought 4 of them just before Christmas for $60 delivered,,, $15 bucks each isn't a lot for the fun the Grandsons will have using them.
     
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    They've been on my outside porch. They seem to be doing OK. Moisture doesn't settle on anything on the porch (no dew, fog, rain...).

    There's an art to burning them? I must be a natural ;)
     
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    I bought the same cheap stove and MSR pot setup, off of Amazon several months ago, and just got around to tryin it out. In fact I've used it twice in the last 4 days. Awesome little stove, pot combo.

    Great Idea for the small (solid fuel ?) pan, I'm gonna try that out this afternoon ..... Maybe see if I can use that, in combination with metering the fuel, (twigs) to see if I can sauté somethin without burning.

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    Nice thread, lots of ideas. Thanks!

    I store my pellets outside, under a double cover and no problems. Just keep them dry. I will be putting a bottle of them in the kit though. I saved one of those instant lemonade jars that holds about a quart, should work.
     
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    Pellets like oxygen flowing over their surface. The Ikea style stoves are the best. Have a central chimney/cylinder made of 1/4" stainless hardware cloth to bring air into it's core.
     
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    Are you talking the silver ware containers?
    I would like to see pics if you have them.
    Is it still a top down fire ?
     
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    Yes, silverware containers have holes all the way down the side that allow air to enter and move across top of pellets as they are consumed. Yes, top light having a good tinder to light entire surface. I use a squirt bottle of 90% rubbing alcohol to wet entire surface to ensure a good start or use 1 weber charcoal starter cube cut into pieces.
    The link will show a stove made with a central air supply. I can't show photos, my "straight talk" potable wifi is down to it's last bytes.

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    Greetings,

    I decided to go for the wnnideo stove sold at amazon uk for £9.99 - postage included with Prime membership.
    The supports for the pot/pan/whatever you use, they seem too thin to hold a considerable weight, although they felt like strong steel.
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    So, I decided to test it by using a very heavy cast iron pan I have at home:
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    Yes, there is a slight bend towards the handle because it unbalances the weight of the pan which weighs at 6.8 pounds. I don't know if this is a real issue or not though. Any pot of normal weight is fine on it.

    However, I am having second thoughts. Looking at it in front of me right now, I've started thinking that perhaps one of the models built with an open space on the side like these two:
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    are a better idea. It looks to me that the side openings allow for putting more wood to the fire without having to lift up the pan and the tripod disc on which it sits. Or, I could find some suitable scrap metal and make a mod out of it by making a prop like the one on the left has...:33:

    Any thoughts on the matter?

    Regards,

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    Good feedback on the wire grate.
    Does it seem like something you could lose, or does it stay permanently attached?
     
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    Greetings,

    It is permanently attached to one of the support legs. If it becomes loose it can easily be bent back to lock by pliers from say a multitool.

    I think I have been infected by the DIY and mod culture permeating this forum. It will be a personal challenge to see if i can make something like what I see in the aforementioned two other types. Looks sturdy enough otherwise and even if I fail I will have learned something by the effort.

    Regards,

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    I bought one of these chinese stoves off ebay a few years back and it is pretty solid. I thought the little dish was to collect ash.
    A diffuser makes way more sense! Thanks for such a great write up!
     
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    It's a multi-tasker ;)

    Thanks.
     
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    To make the mod cheaper and easier, at least until you know it works, try to find a suitable diameter tin can and whittle on it.
     
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