Discussion in 'General Bushcraft Discussion' started by NJStricker, Jul 20, 2019.
Townsend's videos are good. At one time when I was actively doing 18 century reenactments, I had a complete trekking kit. My storage building leaked awhile back and ruined a lot of it. Not a lot of difference in what we use today. Same type items ,just different materials. The food is one of the big things. You have to remember these people were on long hunts and scouting, so they had to watch what they carried, no ultralight back then. You only carried what was needed, no luxury items. Most items made of wool, leather, linen, were heavy. Cotton canvas was expensive and a rarity.
As bushcraft enthusiasts many of us like to emulate Nessmuk, Kephart, etc and time period from 1889’s to WWI. But in many ways the equipment available wasn’t that different from the time of the F&I War.
I thought it interesting that the size of his bedroll wasn’t much different in size from a modern MSS.
Thanks for that link. Very interesting.
great video, this is how camping should be presented to new people. carrying just the essentials in a manor that works for you vs. buying 100$ of items to fill insecurities and skill voids
Thanks for sharing I’ve always found longhunters interesting.
Loft is loft I guess, eh?
I would bet the MSS has a better temp rating, especially when damp
I have no doubt if Sears and Kephart were alive today, they'd be thrilled with and using modern gear and be bewildered at those using gear of old.
You're suggesting the MSS rated to -10F with goretex bivvy is better performing than canvas and wool?!
Depends on how badly someone wants to like canvas and wool!
Great video thanks for posting. Especially liked the "food wallet" and the leather leggings. My bedroll looks about the same except a bit more modern. The more things change . . .
Or neon colored clown tents!
I for one love natural materials. Are they superior? Well, in a few ways, yes. In most ways, no. Are they heavier? Yeah, definitely. But they have soul! I just love natural materials; wood, leather, canvas, wool, linen. There's something about plastic and bright, fake colors that clash with the experience of being out in nature and doing handy crafts and learning traditional skills.
I mean, if all we cared about was efficiency, performance, and making everything easy, we could just stay at home on our couches and order pizza while watching Netflix. Why be out in the woods trying to make bow drill fires in the first place?
Its funny how the cutting edge modern trekking kit shares more similarities with this kit than ones from even a few years ago.
Frameless pack with little features keeping it light and simple
Bivy Sack and quilt combo vs bed roll with a sewn footbox on the oilskin and blanket
Sleep socks wool vs down again
Simple food sack, canvas vs OpSak plastic bag
Simplified cook kit, though modern kits are generally just a spoon and mug/pot
Zero drop shoes
Ill be sticking with my modern gear, but it's definitely cool to look at.
thanks. way interesting. one of my direct forebears was a trader amongst cherokee and other eastern tribes from the early 1700s to the french and indian war era. i reckon his trade goods were packed on horses, but he would have been well versed in traveling afoot as well ...
This is how I've been camping for the last 20 or so years. It's just recently that I found bushcraft. The kit can be heavy, but with experience and using what nature provides you can lighten it to be comfortable. I go out like this all year long in the Pacific northwest and stay pretty comfortable.
It’s funny you mention horses. In another JAS video on longhunters they discuss the historical inaccuracies of the connotation of the long hunter on foot. Many were market hunters for new developments or trappers and likely had multiple pack horses to carry game to the settlements.
Thnaks to the OP for the link.
Had to look up Market Wallet. They other day had to look up snapsack.
You learn all kinds of stuff on this board....
Those Townsend videos are addictive, they are all well done and very informative. I really enjoy watching them and there seems to be hundreds of them about different things. Some are just informative and some are actually instructional, I enjoy the mix.
Yep . . . great video. He's done a great job putting his gear together and it serves as a wonderful model for everyone.
I really like the pack! It's got the "old shoe" look of something you've owned for 20 years and won't ever replace.
Things like that are no longer "tools" or "gear" . . . they're old friends.
Very, very true. But I find myself going back and forth. Some days just feel like a tarp and wool blanket and some days just feel like a tent, pad and sleeping bag.
I guess that's why ladies own 50 purses and 200 pairs of shoes . . . .