850 year old copper arrow head found in Canada

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  1. NevadaBlue

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    I did a search here and didn't find a thread on this. Pretty neat find.

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    The article said it is about 11 inches long overall, including the barbed antler shaft.
     
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    I read that article earlier today. I’m always amazed that there are still finds like this. Fascinating!
     
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    It is surprising isn't it. This was actually sticking out of the ice.
     
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    Is that the one they found out of melt ice in a high carriboo range? Looks like the one I saw on a cbc documentary. I've tried to find the video online but no luck. After I saw the video. I looked up mining maps of the area (bc, Yukon border) very little tin anywhere. Would explain why they hadnt created bronze. Very cool stuff!
     
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    Michigan's western UP is full of "float copper" (floats to the surface by freeze/thaw action). See eBay for pure UP copper nuggets. Probably not hard to make your own spear point, as copper is pretty malleable.
     
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    Like bog iron or gold. With iron you look for rust. Copper I'm guessing your looking for green?
     
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    I love this kind of stuff, thanks for posting.
     
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    Love this stuff reading about the past only if we can really go back in time to see how they really lived. And what wild edibles an what they did with them. That would be so cool. Prov 27 : 17
     
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    That's a mean looking arrow. I wonder how well it flew with that shaft.
     
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    Here is a copper nugget from Michigan.. 1518569884281292303249.jpg
     
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    I worked underground at White Pine in the 90’s.
     
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    If that's the point, wonder how long the arrow shaft was orginally? When I saw it, I thought atlatl.
     
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    I lived upper lower penusla just east of Cadillac, while I worked at a sawmill up there. This was a gift someone got me at sleeping bear dunes
     
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    Looks like a harpoon head to me.
     
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    I was thinking spear or harpoon also.
     
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    Fish point for sure. Interesting how the barbs are set at a 90 from the copper point and each barb is longer than the one in front of it. Don't imagine many got away once they were hit.
     
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    I remember going underground in one of the copper mines with my dad in 1958. I think it was a mine on the Keweenaw peninsula. They talked about finding chunks of raw copper so big they couldn't get them to the surface. That part of the UP is a miracle of nature.
     
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    My first thought was harpoon as well, but not at the top of a mountain. So I figure it almost had to be some kind of spear point.
     
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    I grew up on the Keweenaw, was up there last Tuesday. Fair amount of snow. Funny enough, I had never been in any of the mines until I went to work in one.
     
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    If it's the same one I saw on a documentary (I think it is) your totally correct. Atlatl. In the video it had a wooden shaft mounted to the saw tooth antler.
     
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    I love stuff like this, I'd imagine it was the fore shaft for an atlatl dart. look up Kwäday Dän Ts'ìnchi (The Canadian Iceman) neat guy, had a gopher robe (95 of em'), iron knife, spruce root hat, and an Atlatl and Dart. He lived anytime between 1450-1700 and died at 20 years old. I was surprised atlatl's were even a thing still by that point in time, I thought only the inuit and other artic natives used them still.
     
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    After I saw a documentry on the subject including this exact piece. I looked up mining maps. Very little tin anywhere. Explains why it was copper and not bronze. My guess as to why still atle-atle. Not a lot of timber of size and variety. A bow powerful enough may not have been possible. A simple thrown spear may not have had the range and power. A copper head like would have been owned by a very rich person. Begs the question. Was it hubris or desperation that caused it to be used?
     
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    Not so sure that a copper arrowhead was only for the rich. Coppers, big copper shields , were quite common among several tribes of coastsl bc. Copper had monitary and spiritual value which may be part of the reason it was around longer than some areas. A small copper arrowhead i could see in many natives hands, altho not everyone
     
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    Yes your correct my word choice "rich" was not accurate. A person of stature. That particular shaft and head was highly ornate. I just can't imagine using it when their are more common utility materials available. Stone, bone, antler and wood. Hence why i wonder if it was a desperate scene prompting its use? Perhaps a spiritual ceremony of some kind involving a hunt. Likewise if they had access to tin easily had. Its reasonable to assume they would have discovered bronze making in short order. A metal that can still be a item of value. But also has more practical utility than copper alone. I love my history and the what ifs!:D
    Cheers Jim
     
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