a non tactical “assault rifle”

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  1. jstert

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    assuming one cannot have a ak/ar type “assault rifle” (stupid, ill defined term but let’s use it here for the sake of laziness), what are decent non tactical alternatives, i.e. a rifle that is handy, fast firing, rugged, but still politically correct in peoples republic states and canada. ruger pcc? lever action? ruger mini 14? lets leave aside ex military issue rifles, i.e. no sks or m1 carbine, and bolt actions. has anyone here, likely in the n.e. or california, made this decision?
     
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    Ruger PC Carbine
    Kel-Tec Sub2000
    Kel-Tec SU-16 series
    Ruger Ranch Rifle
    I'm sure there are more, but that's what comes to mind.
     
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    Mini30 would be my pick....lots of power, not much recoil, 5 round magazine standard and up to 20 round available...

    Bob
     
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    SU-16 series, Ruger Minis if you want semi-auto.
    Leverguns in 357, or 44, or 41, 45, 327 or 30-30.

    I move around a lot and often live behind the curtain of stupid, and keep some of the above on hand.
     
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    Not sure of states that a Glock with a 16” barrel is illegal
     
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    Not made any more, but the H&K SL 7 would fill the bill.....

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    I’d take a look at good pump shotgun with an 18-20” barrel. Something along the lines of a Remington 870 or mossberg 500/590. Probably the most appropriate for all ban states and countries. Easy to find ammo for, good for defensive or hunting.
     
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    I went with a lever action carbine in 357mag. If the Ruger PC was out I would have gotten that.

    Although, the more I ponder this the more I am ok with just my 20ga 870.
    It's basically a 21in youth gun with an adult sized buttstock. Most of the time I have a 6rd mag tube on it. Oct-Dec it goes back to 4rd with a plug for hunting.


    Not legal in CT.
     
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    But the ranch rifle and PC carbine arent?

    Please don't say it's the pistol grip.....please.
     
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    is a glock with an extended threaded barrel legal? What about with a brace? a stock with 16" barrel?
     
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    I always wanted one of those from the first time I saw the advertisement.
     
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    The 21” barrel 870 20 gauge youth model or the 12 gauge turkey model 21” can do a lot. Not to mention pretty innocuous looking.
     
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    8BC48DF6-F066-49F3-875C-12623B9A4770.jpeg Timber wolf pump .357 mag if you can find one. I know I’d like to try one.
    Pic borrowed from the web.
     
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    Yes, me too!
     
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    I know you said no bolt actions, but I have a mossberg patrol carbine. Magazine fed. 10 round limit in nj.
     
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    0ECB5B16-F6C5-42BA-93D5-11115ABD3975.jpeg Ultimate “old school” assault rifle
     
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    Unconverted Saiga rifles are still out there but they do still have a bit of a scary assault rifle look. The Mini-14/30 with a wood stock looks a bit less scary I suppose. The Fightlite SCR could go either way. A Marlin Camp 9/45 is fairly innocuous looking, they look like .22's.

    I'd be looking more toward manually operated guns like lever actions.
     
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    If I could only have a "non-tactical" rifle due to regulations I'd go with the FNAR it's available with or without pistol grip depending on your local laws regarding features that scare liberals and 10 and 20 round box magazines are available from the factory 7.62x51caliber semiauto. Its black but other than that it has more in common with hunting rifles like the Browning BAR than those evil ARs or AKs but I doubt you'll feel undergunned with it.

    mod.jpg

    https://fnamerica.com/products/discontinued-products/fnar-heavy/
     
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    Some friends of mine purchased those and report good results.
     
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    Ct awb works like this. Everything named in ban is NoGo. Or take your 94 federal ban, which allowed 2 features, but make it one feature. There were some subtractions and additions though. I/e threaded muzzles are OK. Hand under the action is Not OK.

    Banned by name in the 2013 ban. Pc carbine and ranch rifle are ok.
    Pistol grip would make it illegal.
    No
    Maybe. Depends how the receiver is filed.
    Dont know
     
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    so no glock with an extended threaded barrel ? wow I guess IGB is out

    my 357 sig and 9x5 dillon are extended but not threaded
     
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    Extended is ok. Threaded is not.

    Pistol AWB is different from rifle & shotgun.

    Then there is rimfire rifle which is different than centerfire rifle but rimfire pistol is still under centerfire pistol.


    What is IGB?
     
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    the brand
     
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    For CT we can only have threaded barrels on “pre Ban” hand guns. So yes they are allowed, but not for all hand guns.

    CW
     
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    Lets see...
    Fast firing

    pistol caliber...

    decent sized magazine

    Winchester...
     
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    Forgot that too.
     
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    The Long Rifle of the Revolutionary War! The original ASSAULT RIFLE!
     
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    Move. I did and will again if I am forced. I refuse to live someplace that brands me a criminal for owning a once legal item I purchased.

    My answer would be mini-30 or PC carbine. Hopefully in .45ACP or 10mm at some point!

    Regards,

    ezra
     
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    My model 94 is as capable, reliable and quick handling a rifle as most conditions would ever warrant, and my Ithaca Deerslayer was a standard issue cop shotgun for many decades...I am sure in many places still is. For that matter, in a pinch I wouldn't feel too let down with my Marlin model 60 with its tube full of CCI Mini Mags. My money is on the first round being delivered where it will do the most good, and I am quite proficient with any of the three in putting the first shot where I want it. On top of it, I have duplicates of all three, meaning I will be able to keep at least one of them firing if parts are needed...as unlikely as that would be.
     
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    Can you use an SKS with an AK magazine conversion and the bayonet removed?

    Can you use one of the AWB-era Century FALs with the thumbhole stock?
     
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    I have a ARES SCR rifle and like it allot. I have had a couple Mini-14’s and altho they usually, function flawlessly they are about as inaccurate at a AK... I dont want or need that. The ARES is very accurate. The PC Carbine has proven plenty accurate but In all honesty I have t checked what it can do at 100... But then again I dont need or expect it to excel out at 100. My Marlin Camp Carbine is a close friend. Its a shooter too! Even tho its only a 45 acp I have used +P ammo and taken a few deer with it!! It like ol School Golden Saber 185 +p shoots them touching at 50 yards and sends them at over 1350 fps!

    Others have mentioned the Browning and Remington pumps and autos. H&K made some
    Sporting 223 & 308 rifles too. Winchester had the model 100 in 243, 284 & 308. Remington had a police version of its 7600p that took AR magazines. There is also a company converting AR rifles to pump action in 223 & 308 that are usually legal where the evil assault rifles are not.

    CW

    PC: Here in CT a remove-able Magazine on a sks makes it illegal. Even my fancy target 22’s are classified as assault because the magazine is infront of the trigger and they have shrouded barrels. IGNORANT PEOPLE, WRITING STUPID LAWS. ITS BEEN SAID, That those that give up freedoms for security deserve neither. Words to live by along with WE THE PEOPLE AND LIVE FREE OR DIE.
     
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    Su-16 or mini for semi auto

    In some locations like those Burroughs of NYC one can have a long gun but with 5 rnd capacity. For me that's a no brainer. It would be a Mossberg 500, a Marlin 336Y 30-30, or my Ruger GSR. Any of these would be legal and they will do a lot.
     
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    If it was me I would go with a lever gun in whatever caliber you like and can easily stock. 99% of the population sees them as relics/harmless hunting guns and not as what they were/are the original force multiplier.
     
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    Don't think anyone mentioned this yet...

    Aguila mini shotshells in 870 12ga pump with rifle sighted barrel.

    https://www.aguilaammo.com/shotshell/

    Sure glad I don't have to play this game.
     
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    Lever Action Winchester. I borrow a Model 1873 Winchester to hunt with that was made in 1911 in .44-40 cal. and it holds 14+1 rounds and fires at near semi auto rate if needed.
    It's not 'scary' looking to most non-gun folks. It's just a harmless 'old fashion Cowboy' rifle. :)

    The only down side is that .44-40 is not the most readily available nor affordable round on the market.
     
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    Browning BLR lever gun, in 308. Very short fast lever throw, bolt lockup as solid as any bolt action, short handy package.
     
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    I don’t own one, but maybe an LRB M-14 clone. They can do a variety of barrel lengths or stock options. I’d probably go in the 18” standard weight barrel range with a synthetic stock. But they’re not cheap. Alternatively, a Garand. I know the OP said no milsurps, but if Mini-14 is in, I still vote for its bigger brothers.
     
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    Not that easy for some, if it was I would have left long ago.


    That's something I never thought of! I wonder how they'd shoot in a rifled barrel?
    I think 9 or 10 will fit in a 500.
    I should get an adapter and see how they do.
     
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    Ruger Deerfield carbine a 44mag autoloader
    Marlin camp carbine in 45acp

    Both are hard hitting rounds in a quality firearm.
     
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    Don't kid yourself. Folks like our friend from El Paso plan a much wider sweep than the two most cited firearms. If they succeed, most (all?) self-loaders will be verboten. I sincerely hope they fail, but if they do, we may have to revert to John Wayne-esque firearms.

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    M1 Garands are nice but are god awful heavy. I toss my CMP M1 Garand into friends hands and say imagine carrying that everyday plus all your gear walking all over Europe fighting the Germans. I sure wouldn't consider taking mine deer hunting too many other lighter options.

    If you can't have semi-auto mag loading fun toys, my suggestion is to explore precision long rifle. Bolt guns will be the next nutty ban craze in about 20-30 years. They won't be satisfied until everything is gone.
    Reach you target from distance. Suppress if you want or go big bore like .338 Lapua Mag.
     
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    Is the "no bolt guns" part of the no military guns thimg, or are you opposed to manual repeaters?

    I would trust a scout rifle build with either a clip slot cut for toploading or an AICS-compatible magwell over a tube-fed levergun, personally. But ignoring the cheap options (MVP, Savage, Ruger) that's $$$.
     
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    i’m just thinking of something that can be run faster than a bolt action, and i know that a bolt action rifle in the hands of a well trained user is devastating. as pictured above, the iwi timberwolf pump action 357 mag rifle is a holy grail. i handled one at a gun show but at $1200 was way out of my league. i’m surprised that a rifle maker like henry hasn’t resurrected the timberwolf.
     
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    Have you sat down with a bolt gun and really pushed it as hard as you can? Not implying that you don't know what you're doing, it's just that most people have never sat down and really worked with one.

    They're maybe a tick slower in terms of splits depending on the user, but the ability to reload from a stripper clip (which usually requires custom work) or box mag (which may not) is clearly faster than trying to push individual rounds through a loading gate, plus emergency reloads from a butt cuff have superior economy of motion (opening the action naturally draws your hand closer to, not away from, your ammunition source). And the other tradeoff is that instead of .30-30/.35/.45-70 or magnum handgun cartridges, now you've got access to full-power rifle loads (or at least a much wider choice of intermediate cartridges).


    Short-action rifles in particular (.308, etc) can be much faster to use that most people realize as there is no need to break contact with the stock while cycling the action. Most shooters I see have poor bolt-action technique, and to be sure it is through no fault of their own (they just haven't been exposed to it).

    If you study up a little on manipulations, take a CZ or Savage to an Appleseed, and try the concept out you might surprise yourself. I generally shoot in the mid to upper 230s (out of 250) on AQTs with my CZ from a cold start and it's definitely fast enough.
     
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    no. 4 mark 1.

    winchester model 12 in compact mufti (no disconnector) ... :)
     
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    I handled a Steyr Scout over the summer (and an AUG), and if I had it in my budget, I would consider the Steyr. A lot of Jeff Cooper’s insights went into that rifle, and it’s still 50 state legal.
     
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    Ruger makes all the best crossover Phudd guns that are often overlooked by bans... Be it the Minis in rifle calibers, or Camp or Patrol carbines in pistol calibers.

    Probably something to do with ol' Bill Ruger supporting the Clinton Ban back in '94.
     
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    I hope criminals never find out how bad shotguns are. I mean other than the rounds being big and bulky to carry, they are nearly unlimited as a defense gun. As stated about a good semi-auto turkey or self defense specific shotgun is very valuable.
     

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