A tinder that doesn't work

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  1. DavidEnoch

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    Like a lot of us, I watch a lot of YouTube videos. I was watching one last night by Canadian Bushcrafter. He was making a Swedish torch out of birch and using the bark as kindling. I live in the Dallas, Texas area and this morning coming into the office I noticed the Crape Myrtle bark looks a lot like birch bark. Hum, I wonder how it burns. Well, don't worry about trying it. It would burn as long as the lighter was burning. The second the lighter stopped, the flames stopped. I will get to wear a nice smoky cologne the rest of the work day.

    Earlier this year I harvested some kind of mushroom growing on a tree and dried it to see if it would hold a spark like chaga. That didn't work either.

    Fun to try stuff anyway.

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    Interesting findings

    A while ago I was watching a video on paracord, trying to see how others have found use in it (fishing, sewing, etc) and the guy said it works as tinder.

    It doesn’t. Similar to your experience, it requires a sustained flame from a lighter.
     
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    David, I live in the Houston area and finding good (dry) tinder is always a problem. I just start with some fat wood. At least there are pines in Texas.
     
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    dryer lint is your friend keep some on you or in your vehicle
     
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    Crepe Myrtle doesn't work in GA either.
     
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    I usually test my knives by chopping up cinder blocks. I've found that cinder blocks make terrible tinder.
     
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    My conclusion is that virtually all knives suck. When I can find a knife that will cut a dozen cinder blocks into curls and still shave hair off my arm, my quest will be over.
     
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    Some flame retardant bark could come in handy :dblthumb:
    "Always look on the bright side of life" :54::54::54::54:
     
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    All you Texicans need to play with some cedar bark for tinder.
     
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    I accidentally cut some chunks off my arm because I heard that stropping on your forearm was a good idea (apparently I messed up). Meaty arm chunks are also not good tinder but once you get the fire going they aren't a bad snack.
     
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    Birch has natural oils in it making it good tinder. That's the norths mack daddy tinder. Down south our mack daddy tinder is fatwood or pine sap from damaged trees. In the higher elevations of Tennessee they are blessed with golden birch.
     
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    Can you light pine sap with a ferro rod?
    I know it burns, but can't remember if I ever saw it catch a spark.
     
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    Yes, not on one stroke tho. Shower it with sparks three or four strokes and it's lit.
     
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    Thanks :dblthumb:
     
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    Better to try now and fail than to find out later when you are counting on it.
    And it is fun stuff! Keep it up!
     
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    Was camping recently in a new area and they had Arbutus trees every where , they have interesting peeling bark like a Euclyptus tree . Grabbed a dry hand full off the ground to start a fire and even with a lighter it would not light so it seems they are a fire proof tree who knew?
     
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    There is a survival paracord sold, that has a tinder strand in it.
     
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    Buahhhahaha! Quit it!! I'm pissing myself!!
     
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    Check your belly button!
     
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    Just send all of your sucky ones to me and I will give them a loving home :4:
     
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    That's it!! I'm out of here! Haahaaaa!
     
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    I dont know how all of my shirts don't have a hole in the front at waist level!
     
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    The only source of fat wood here is Walmart. But, it was very cheap to buy a big bag of it. I suspect that it is artificially made but it works. Like someone said, it is fun to try stuff when your neck isn't on the line.

    My favorite fire starters are petroleum jelly, magnesium shavings, and cotton ball. You can throw them in the water, hit them with a spark, and they will float around burning.

    David Enoch
     
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    I figured everyone ate dinner by now, so here's a true non staged real time pic of my emergency fire starting stash.

    What's hiding behind door #1?...
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    There it is! Never fails!....

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    I got enough belly hair to braid up some cordage for a bow drill fire too, if needed! Survival tips you won't find in any books, right here on BCUSA!
     
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    Dude.......just......dude.....must get pretty cold over by you. :)
     
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    If you find trees that will not burn, start with gasoline and move up to napalm. Either will take a spark easily. :rolleyes:
     
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    Opened this up and wasn't really sure what I was looking at for a minute... too funny!
     
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    Living in the north I tend to go with spruce tips myself as well as pitch globs. Birch bark is good stuff, but dead spruce tips are amazing.
     
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    Makes a good backup spindle socket for a bow drill as well if you have the agility to pull it off. Don't attempt it if you are the least bit ticklish though.
     
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    David, try some river birch bark. It grows in your area, I have seen it in the Trinity River drainage and creeks around Dallas. While it doesn’t have the oil content of white or yellow birch it still makes good tender. Also, cedar and juniper shavings and scrapings do well. There is also yucca on the shoulders of I20 in your area. The center stem makes a great bow and hand drill and the scrapings are very good tinder. YMMV.
     
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    I think those pics belong in the big foot spotted thread , or maybe as a profile pic for that other tinder (that one that goes on your phone i think ) that could be interesting .....
     
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    Please ask your wife to knit your sweaters a little tighter.
    Cashmere or plain goat?:D
     
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    Or, your bellybutton.:D

    Dang! @Primordial beat me to it:rolleyes:
     
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    That's what my belt is made out of. It's got 25# test fishing line, brass snare/ trip wire, and waxed jute as part of the internal strands.

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    Birch bark is strange stuff; it’s kind of like dry red wine which is both a liquid but dry too. Birch bark has oil in it but it would take tremendous pressure to wring a drop out of it. It does burn with a vengeance, even scrapings off it burn well, and a downed tree takes ages to rot away-you often see the husk of bark with the wood interior rotted away.

    A biologist once told me that the fallen birch bark tree give off some nutrient (s) as it rots that other plants need to grow. I cannot for the life of me recall what it gives off or what grows sorry. It might be a mushroom that needs the rotted tree.
     
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    I've got nothing. Just wanted to give werewolf won a shout-out on his latest Avatar Ginger. You never disappoint.

    Oh yeah, this was a about tinder that works. I've found that most girls you pick up on Tinder are indeed actually working.
     
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    Cattail fluff is one that I've always heard about being a good tinder (flash tinder that is) but it doesn't work well for me at all.
    I think it has something to do with the humidity, along the lines of it sucking moisture out of the air...
     
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    +1 on the tree rotting and leaving the bark, picked this up last weekend. AND fatwood too.

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    My friend picked up a tube big enough to make a bow quiver out of.
     
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    I’ll tell you one that most people don’t think about, most likely because it’s an eyebrow remover if your face is anywhere near it, is the dry head off a Bull Rush. I remember stroking a ferro rod into one once and losing the hair on both hands and forearms in the resulting explosive flash :)
     
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    @DavidEnoch have you tried any river birch. It grows in Texas and I found some trees by a place that I work at. Now that I know what the tree looks like I know what to look for. I found some trees when my wife and I took our children to the Houston Zoo, next door at McGovern lake.

    It is not like regular birch bark as you cannot scrape it with a knife edge to get the fuzz, and is very paper thin and tears easily.

    I rolled the river birch bark into a tube and I placed an ember from char cloth into the top of the tube, then I blow into the tube and kaboom fire.

    Here is the tube with the ember
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    Huff and puff and fire. I did have trial and errors but I can do it on a regular basis, my wife says it smells funny and there is an odor that I cannot really describe. Ummm…. maybe I should do it again after work.
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    GOD Bless you and your family

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    I have tried dandelion fluff and had surprisingly negative results.

    It’ll usually catch with just a spark, but it burns very fast and only the very small fibers - so it often doesn’t generate enough real heat to catch something else. If I use it now, I get a large handful and make sure it’s mixed with other materials to help get better ignition.
     
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    I never had much luck with it either.
    Someone here told me to use the pith, not the fluff. I was in the process of drying it out and it blew away :rolleyes:
     
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    The pith of the stalk or the "flower"? itself?
     
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    Make sure it is all-natural fiber lint, preferably cotton. The lint of many synthetics simply won't catch.
     
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    It's early fire season around here. Can you ship us a supply of that flame retardant bark, and installation instructions? :);)
     
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    The flower/cattail. There's a decent sized pith inside all that fluff.
     
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    I'll check that out. Thanks for the tip!
    And I bet it would work as a charred material also.
     
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