Acceptable or unacceptable?

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Are the defects in this knife acceptable or unacceptable?

  1. Acceptable

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  2. Unacceptable

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  1. buckfynn

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    If you received a knife with the defects in the photo would it acceptable to or unacceptable to you?

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    I'll let the poll run for a while then I will reveal the maker.
     
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  2. M.Hatfield

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    First question: Is there supposed to be a hole in the blade?

    Second question: Was the blade forged?
     
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    Yes the hole is intentional and is where the scales will be attached.

    No it was not forged.
     
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    depends how much I paid for it ;) im no snob about minor defects but that looks like it may be more than superficial. My vote is to email the maker the pics and ask for suggestions from them.
     
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    looks like cold shuts from forging.
     
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    I have never seen surface cracks like that in a stock removal knife. :confused:
     
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    Cracks in a blade aren't good no matter where they are.
     
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    Depends on if it was disclosed in the sale or not.
     
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    What kind of steel? How big is the knife?
     
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    It was sold as a new knife.
     
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    Need more info and a full knife photo for context. New or old? For a refined knife with clean lines, no. For a rustic knife with antler/bone/rawhide, perhaps yes.
     
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    It looks like the marks in question are going to be covered by the scales, correct? A lot of folks (who know what they're doing) will roughen up that area to help the epoxy bond better. If I am wrong about that, then the questions become: Is it a rustic type forged blade (in other words are marks like this to be expected)? And if not, was this disclosed prior to sale?
     
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    little flitz / 0000 steel wool and it will buff right out
     
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    I would definitely say it should have been disclosed that it had imperfections. Especially since it wasn't forged I would want to know what was up with that, did it happen during heat treatment etc...
     
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    1095 steel

    The dimensions are pretty much irrelevent to the defect. I will say the steel is .250" thick.
     
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    As I stated in my OP, I'll reveal the maker and the outcome after a while. I just wanted to see what everyone else had say before spilling the beans.
     
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    I am kind of assuming that it doesn't go all the way through I would hope.
     
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    If superficial then OK if it’s cracks then not OK.. seeing at its going under a scale.. it would depend if strength is impacted
     
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    Nice satire! :)
     
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    I think it is too hard to say without seeing more of the blade. How much did you zoom in? How big is that hole to get an idea of scale?
     
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    The knife wasn't forged. The knife was sold as a new knife. No epoxy used in this design.
     
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    I would feel differently about defects in a small blade than I would a 20" chopper, so dimensions are relevant.

    0.25" is substantial. I wouldn't give it a second thought.

    Are you sure it wasn't forged?

     
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    The hole is big enough for hardware to attach scales. I didn't take the photo so I can't comment on the specifics used to take the it.
     
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    It wasn't forged.
     
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    How large is this picture magnified?
    Victor
     
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    Hard to say from the limited info you have shown. Send it back if it was not what you expected.
     
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    From post #23

     
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    I’m trying to help you out but your answer is less than helpful. Show the knife or not, why the games?
     
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    I wouldn't expect to see that in a new blade.
     
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    Plenty of others have input here other than yourself, I would like to hear what they have to say as well.
     
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    Is that a crack or a scratch / sanding marks?
     
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    I know, but understanding the scale of those marks is important. If that hole is only 1/8” diameter and the tang is .250” then I’d say why are you worrying about it? If it is larger and those scratches (I’m not convinced they are more than that at this point) now are in turn larger it might be more of a concern. Is this a $100 blade or a $1000 blade? Ultimately, whatever it is, you don’t like it. So don’t accept it.
     
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    The appear to be stess fractures (cracks) to me.
     
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    Post a non-magnified pic.
     
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    OK, I'll go out on a limb and call it acceptable; because I believe that's a tiny hole for a pin.
    Victor
     
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    is it acid etched? looks like they maybe didnt get the scratches from the coarser belt and it came out like that in the finshed product.
     
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    Ive seen similar on knives before. I think knife steel blanks ens up with surface defects from time to time from manufacturing.

    I would use it and probably never think about it once the handle was in place.
     
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    I voted unacceptable. I enlarged the photo and those appear to be more than superficial scratches. I would like to see the other side in the same area. I'm no metallurgy expert but I have spent some time inside high dollar engines and I would be concerned about those.
     
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    Nope not etched.
     
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    We all have different standards of what is exceptable.
     
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    If this is a stock removal knife the that...
    20190816_154430.jpg
    clearly shows its not a "scratch", its a lamination or "splinter" for lack of a better term (thats what I'd call it in wood which would be a problem).

    I count five cracks (in the OP pic) from lamination, heat treat, or extrusion, not sure.

    Would it worry me? Well it would be of concern, but I guess it would depend on what I paid for it. How big it is as some have mentioned and its intended use.

    I agree there's more to understand to make a determination. But somewhere inside me, it would probably drive me crazy either way.
     
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    did the blade maker do his/her own heat treat?
     
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    Are there other spots like this or is just this one spot it? Without the knife in hand and seeing how much it's magnified in the picture I'm inclined to say it's not an issue especially if you're going to put scales on it. If they were cracks I'd expect the 5 I can see to attempt to flow into each other and not run parallel. If he wasn't starting with precision ground stock and instead plan ol bar stock it could be from factory like that.
     
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    The heat treat was not some home brew.
     
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    im not 100% that answers my question
     
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    Looks like a dull bit made the hole at least. Perhaps it skid across the surface a bit as well?
    I tell my customers, anything that makes you NOTICE the Air Conditioning is probably a problem. I feel the same about this picture.
     
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    May I ask how much the knife was? That might give me an idea of what level of finish I'd expect.
     
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    That’s a tough call but if the hole is for a hardware then I say unacceptable since that would be a big scratch around a small hole. I’m not a knife guy by any means but if I’m gonna baton or do some WORK with the knife, I want to be sure it can handle it. That creates doubt
     
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    You could buy Russell Green River blades for less than $20, or Old Hickory knives for even less and not see those surface cracks.
     
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    Judging by the rolled over edge, that hole looks punched to me. Is this a production blade? Given that it's going to be covered by a scale and there don't seem to be any nearby stress risers, I don't think it would keep me awake at night.
     

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