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  1. Jonathan Henson

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    Just out of curiosity if anyone keeps hunting dogs besides the different lines of fox hounds if anyone has seen or heard of dogs that could be cut into a race and catch fox or coyote's
     
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    Yeah. A few of us on here. I’m a coon hunter but I got quite a few friends that run fox and bobcats. I started a thread called For the Houndsmen. Check it out and I’m sure some more will be along directly
     
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    Cool thanks I grew up hunting coons with my dad but fox and coyote's are getting big numbers to the point they have killed livestock and pets right in front of people. I know the different lines of fox hounds would be the mine ones for taking them down but the few I have seen seem to just want to run instead of catching. I am thinking for our area using our coon hounds to drive them out of cover and have a pair of fast smart kill dogs would be the faster way to deal with them. I am looking at some cur x stock dogs and cur x pointer's they seem to have a lot going for them
     
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    I would imagine something like how people hunt hogs, with a mix pack of trailing hounds and a couple pit bull type dogs that are big and strong enough to dispatch one. Some kind of traditional wolf hunting hounds might also work well.
     
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    I know that they use grayhounds alot to hunt coyotes. The rigs I have seen are usually a pickup with a flatbed and special dog boxs mounted up by the back of the cab. The doors are on a remote release in the truck cab. They drive down back roads or fields and when they spot a coyote they hit the realese and the dog box doors spring open and out fly the dogs hot on the coyote. The truck dosent even slow down when releasing the dogs. Its really quite a sight to see.
     
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    that what I though at first but seems like not a lot of the pit bulls have the speed to over take a running fox or coyote's
     
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    Yeah I have talked to guys that have done it but that is out in the plans country I am from Kentucky were it hills and heavy cover that was why I am looking at some mix breed curs fast running but still able to track
     
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    That’s why I said pit bull like and normally I think either the scent hounds can slow/stop it or a faster feistier breed will be used to distract it till the mastiff/pit bull types show up to finish everything
     
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    Plus out side of the sight hounds I don't know of dogs that were used to catch and it looks like they are not the greats because of the land we hunt
     
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    Yeah, out here in the open farmlands there are a lot of hound hunters who prefer chasing and shooting coyotes. They rig up tracking electronics and turn the hounds loose on a river or swamp area near farmland. Generally landowners want the coyote numbers reduced so permission is easier to get for day time hunting of what are perceived as nuisance animals. Also the MN DNR has few restrictions on taking coyotes by traditional hunting methods. We had a grade bluetick hound that we got from a guy out in western MN who was mostly into coyote hunting with his pack of hounds. Night hunts for raccoons has declined as hides don't bring in much cash and landowner and hunting land leasor type folks get uppity about what impact it may or might not have on deer hunting in the fall. I think you are right though about chasing them in hills and hollers, it would change the method from what is done in flat country.
     
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    Yeah it not to hard to find a tree stock hound like a blue tick to jump and run a coyote but they don't have the speed to overtake one that wants to run so the coyotes and fox both will run a big loop staying just ahead of the hounds. So my idea was a pair of fast running catch dogs could be cut into the run and at least stop the run. Looks like a cur x is the mostly likely fit but I though someone els might have done it with a different kind
     
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    The run is the goal up here then the shooters intercept the chase at a roadway. The farmland up here is sectioned out like a checkerboard so eventually there will be a road so trucks with shooters will be trying to stay ahead of the pack on the chase. In rural areas the gravel roads are mostly E-W and N-S so I understand the need you have for catches dogs where rivers and streams meander about as much as the roads. They will need endurance and grit. Maybe Plotts are what you should look at.
     
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    Yeah plotts are in the top for tracking dogs but were we don't get a lot of snow and they tend to be so far ahead of the hounds was looking at a catch dog since I don't like shooting running game
     
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    Back before California outlawed hunting with dogs I went on a few chases with some friends of mine for bears. I say chases because we never shot any bears just treed them and let them go. It was quite the experience. We did a lot of trying find the dogs after they where turned loose to chase. They always seemed to tree a bear in the deepest canyon you could find. It’s to bad they can’t do it anymore it kept the bears out of the populated areas of the county.
     
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    That where Lurchers come in. Breeding a fast sight hound like a greyhound with a muscular terrier, like Staffordshire or english bull terrier.
    I've got a Belgian Malinois/ Pit mix that will reel in and wreck a coyotes day pretty easily, so I can only imagine what a true Lurcher can do. Someday I'll have one...
     
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    I have looked at the lurchers but seems like in the woods and heavy cover they can have problems. When you say reel in a coyote do you mean as a decoy dog or running down also how did you came by a malinois mix I was under the impression that most of the people that had them would see their dogs dead before making a mutt
     
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    Melinois Shepard crosses are very common I have one. Best dog I have ever owned been offered a lot of money for her quite a few times. Not going to happen she is part of the family.

    I too was surprised to here of a Melinois Pitbull cross.
     
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    Well happy to hear I am wrong just wounding what kind of x have you seen
     
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    Running them down.
    When we bought our property, every night the coyotes would come try to raid our chicken coops or flush the rabbits out of our fence line and chase them around the pasture. I started leaving the back door open. They quickly learned to stay far far away.
    I'm not sure of his history or who let their Malinois breed with a pit. When we got him we were told "Shepherd / Pit mix". We did a DNA test later, and found out he Malinois and American Pit.
    Hes seriously one of the best dogs I've ever had. Stubborn as all get out, but ridiculously smart.
    Strong as hell for his size too (75lbs).
    Really good with my boy and the family.
    He's a winner in our book.
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    Hound hunting is my passion. My favorite coon hound is the Walker. Basset hounds for rabbits. Long legged Beagles for deer. Mountain Cur for squirrel, although my best squirrel dog ever was a Manchester Terrier. I use Redbones to strike and bay pigs, Pit Bulls to catch. Never been a big bird hunter outside of ducks, which I used Labradors. If I had to choose one breed it would be the Cur.

    I have never had a coyote hunting dog, but those I know who hunt coyote with dogs use the Mountain Cur.
     
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    Do you know if they use them as decoy work or running
     
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    Just a lab for birds.
     
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    Just a German Shorthaired Pointer for birds like the Lab guy above. Although I had to put him down a few years ago as he was so old at 16, and was failing. I used to take him out at night though at my friends hunting cabin in the middle of nowhere, upstate PA, and he seemed to do well spotting (smelling) Coyotes, so I always thought he would be a good dog for that. He was big and FAST.

    When I lived in Colorado I had a fenced in yard, and would find him nose to nose with a Coyote, looking at each other through the fence. That was interesting. They would just stand and stare at each other a few feet apart, and not make a sound.
     
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    Here in the south we have what they call fox pens. The name is kinda deceptive because they are stocked with coyotes. My buddy has one that is a little over 450 acres . People pay to bring their packs in and chase coyotes. We get to hear great races every Tuesday and Friday night. They only dog that stands a chance of constantly catching and killing a coyote is a July Walker dog. Other breeds just simply don't have enough bottom to stay in the chase long. The pen owner has to provide escapes such as buried culverts to give the coyote an escape . You can't really run bay dogs and catch dogs on them around here in the eastern woodlands. People do call them and use decoy dogs, but that's a whole different game. Pits are short winded dogs with a smaller lung capacity, that's why they are lead in on hog hunts instead of free ranged. In wide open country sight hounds or mixes may work. I would also read up on " Kemmer" mountain curs. They run silent.
     
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    I tended to think the same way until I meat a guy that had a black mouth cur x pit that did a petty good job of catching coyotes at crossing points
     
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    I’d imagine an Irish Wolfhound would do well. After all the bred was developed to run down wolves and kill them.

    For an American breed I’d pick a catahoula.
     
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    That is what I am thinking maybe one x with something for more staying power. Which had a guy get up on here with me about a x using a breed called triggs I don't know a lot about them but sounds promising
     
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    Use them to run.
     
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    Interesting run to the Gun or catch
     
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    I didn’t know people still did that. I do know that’s how coyotes got introduced into the SE; from dog hunters using them to train their dogs behind fences. But of course no fence can keep all coyotes in all of the time.

    The ecological impact of coyotes has been disastrous to the deep south. Georgia State biologists believe that coyotes have caused an over 20% reduction in fawn recruitment.
     
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    Yeah and about the same up here in ky they have been getting so bad I am almost afraid they will go after a little kid or a old person before it over
     
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    There is a huge debate on that very issue. The dog hunters blame it on DNR, DNR blames it on the dog hunters. You would be surprised how well the fox pen owners keep up their pens. They coyotes cost them $75 - $125 a piece to replace. They prefer females because the males will often turn around and fight (they lose) instead of running. My buddies pen is woven wire with an electric wire inside the whole perimeter. He feeds high protein food to the coyotes and inoculates them the best he can. If they cant run.... and run well, they don't last. He told me that he has had some get loose before, but most know the sound of his truck and followed him right back into the pen. I've seen the coyotes run a long race, get tired and jump between the electric fence and the border fence ( 18 inch gap) and stand there looking at a dog baying them a mere foot in front of them. I have a video of it somewhere. I don't like coyotes myself and kill everyone I can. But they are here, and here to stay. There was a mortality study done at the Bamberg Bomb plant here in Sc. I think 72% plus was the number they came up with.
     
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    A trigg is a fox walker, sorta like a cousin to a July walker
     
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    I have a Deutsch Drahthaar, which is a Wirehair bred in the German breed organization. We hunt mostly birds of all kinds and some small game.

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    1FC35874-8DC2-4111-943C-10D9A4976D89.jpeg We have a Draahthar.

    Points and tracks on scent.
     
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    Some fellers run Airedale’s with their hounds as fight dogs
     
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    I use long haired dachshunds to hunt rabbits and anything else they may encounter on the ground. Lots of fun. Sometimes I run a beagle by itself or with one or two dachs. Never know what is going to happen.
     
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    I have heard they were used to hunt game like fox and rabbits as well as birds in Germany and have been used for predates like coyote and cats but never understood how they were tranned if it was like hounds
     
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    Nice plot?
     
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    Do you happen to know of anyone breeding melinois x seems like they add a lot to a x
     
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    They were bred for finding game to minimize waste, find what was shot, birds, deer, boar, etc, in Germany, 1900. Amazing trackers.
     
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    Oh OK I was under the impression they were used to flush game to the gun or catch
     
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    I don’t. Most of the Melinois X’s I have seen are crossed with a German Shepard.
     
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    Beautiful? Where are you getting the Pheasants? Is that PA?

    I used to hunt upland game birds with my GSP in PA, and then Colorado.

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    Yes , hunting in PA. Carbon and Lehigh county.
     
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    Cool coon dog?
     
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