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  1. basher1981

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    FYI Walmart now sells bio freeze. I also do like @Harper said and I take a magnesium pill at night prior to bed. It seems to help relax things a bit and makes me sleep sounder. Findinga good PT is key though. There are ones out there to just suck insurance money dry. Like I said look for a Manual physical therapist. They specialize and go to extra classes to get
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    MommaJ I sure hate to hear about your back pain, I know its not only painful, but frustrating because you can't do a lot of what makes you enjoy life. Lots of good advise already given, and while yoga or similar exercises will likely help, be sure to run it by your doctor (even though their help may have beem very limited by this point.) I hope you get better quickly!!
     
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    I have had back issues my whole life. I was a very wild and spoiled kid that had minibikes, 3-wheelers, 4 wheelers, dirtbikes. Did freestyle bikes for a couple years.

    Needless to say I was in the emergency room all the time. They knew me by sight. Many broken bones, torn muscles, sprains. You name it. While I had some serious fun, was told over and over I will pay for it when I get older. Then when I was 16 I got ran over by a car riding my motorcycle. Broke collar bone and left wrist and tore everything off of my left elbow.

    I have had chronic pain for the last 10 years in my lower back and upper back. Multiple vert. are crushed and have bone spurs on 5 vert. I have seen over 10 different Dr's at the Univ of Iowa Hospitals. Had so many injections I can't remember. The newest one was a treatment called RFA. They burn the nerves so that you can't feel the pain anymore. All the test they did before said it would work. But it lasted for a week. Now it is worse than it was before. They told me that they could not do anything else for me. So they gave me a script for hydrocodone and told me to call them in 3 months when the scripts need to be filled.

    I have tried traction, I had one of those upside down hang by your ankles things. But all I got out of that was a head rush from hanging upside down.

    I don't sleep well at all. I get maybe 2 hours at a time. When I finally do get up I have to sit in my chair for about 2 hours before the stabbing pain goes down enough to even make breakfast.

    So I don't know what I can offer other than to stay moving. As soon as I stop, thats when things really start to hurt.
     
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    Yikes and ouch.
     
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    To alleviate my back issues, herniated lumbar disks & stenosis in a couple lumbar joints, I highly recommend a good regimen of stretching, your yoga idea will be perfect for that, and decompression therapy. I bought myself an inversion table over 10 years ago, and it has been a life saver for me stretching out my spine. I use it occasionally as a preventative and to help relieve aches and pains when I have flare ups.

    Also take the time to learn proper body mechanics ! Learn the proper way to bend & lift to avoid reinjuring yourself
     
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    I'm so sorry that you're in the wonky back club, @MommaJ. I herniated my L5-S1 disc when I was twenty-five and ended up having surgery to remove the extruded bits. PT was a long slow process, mostly involving strengthening my core. Traction and aqua therapy were hugely helpful to me as well, but that was 22 years ago and my body healed pretty quickly back then.

    It's not a club you ever get out of, and chronic pain is something I've dealt with ever since, and increasingly so the older I get. I didn't use it then, but I find that yoga aggravates my back. The last time I tried it was about a year ago and it messed me up for a couple of months. I'm not being a naysayer, just suggesting caution. ;)

    Be well, my friend!
     
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    That right there is in the back of my husband's that yoga might aggravate it. So the deal is that if it hurts I have to stop immediately. Caution is always advised and should always be respected.
     
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    I've had a couple of different discs herniate. These modified push up exercises have been the best for me as well.
     
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    Back problems really suck. I’ve had Sciatica pain so bad I thought amputation was the answer to the pain in my shin and foot! While the first doc I saw wanted to do surgery, since it was a workman’s comp claim I needed a second opinion. While waiting for the second opinion I had PT. All core strengthening, stretching, and mechanics. Finally, at the doctor visit, even my comp case nurse could not believe my improvement!
    Not saying PT works in all cases, but my X Rays and MRI’s were pretty ugly, and I must say my back is MUCH better now than 20 years ago!
    I wish you well @MommaJ !
     
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    After reading some of these posts, I would like to emphasize some of the virtues of Magnesium Oil. You can get a bottle of Swanson's Magnesium Oil for about $9 off of Amazon.

    With respect to the problems that have been discussed on this thread, Magnesium Oil is very good for: muscular related back pain, Sciatica and for Charliue Horses.

    You simply spray it on the problem area. It feels like salt water. It starts to work a few seconds after contact. Magnesium may actually be absorbed into the body better through the skin than through the digestive tract. You leave the oil on for about 20 minutes and then wipe it off or cover with a lotion (depending on your skin sensitivity).

    One of the main functions of Magnesium in the body is to cause muscles to relax (Calcium causes them to contract). Magnesium is our natural "muscle relaxer". For reasons that are less understood, it also helps relieve nerve pain. It is especially good for Sciatica for both of these reasons. You can keep a bottle on your bedstand.

    If you really want to take care of the problem, let the Magnesium Oil dry some and then apply Dr. Christopher's Complete Tissue and Bone Ointment over it. The Ointment does a pretty good job all by itself, too, if that's all that you have available.

    Magnesium Oil is one of the things good to keep on hand (along with Cayenne) in case of a heart attack.


     
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    Wow, that sounds pretty much like my deal too. o_O
     
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    Yup, me too. I hold onto the kitchen sink edge and then slowly squat down until my arms are straight out. Some days that takes four or five minutes. Feel the back relaxing as I do it. If I don't do this, it slowly gets harder to walk and my back just gets too tense for comfort. It's kind of a quick fix thingy too, for where ever I happen to be when in need. Tree branch, railing, fence or whatever. :) lb
     
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    Careful with yoga.... it was not meant for people with serious back issues and can aggravate back injuries. You need to identify which poses and stretches put the least pressure on your spine. There are poses that will completely eff up your back if you arnt advanced and fit enough. One of my exes mother is a full fledged yoga instructor and has been for as long as I can remember. Her daughter tried to get me into it and even as a really fit 20 year old there were poses where o didn’t have sufficient development of certain muscles needed to keep stress off the joints. And I was really flexible back then. I could kick targets above my head yada yada. So just make sure you take it slow. Stretching to decompress the spine as others have mentioned and building your core AND back muscles should be the goal. I’ve been slowly losing muscle mass and strength since I stopped doing tree work over a decade ago and I’ve been noticing all the damage I did to my body then. My knee and back bother me here and there. It’s hard to get in a decent workout with no good gyms around and my line of work and kids etc.
     
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    Hope you are feeling better these days.

    "I have zero confidence anymore in the doctor I am seeing . . ." That comment suggests very clearly you need to find another physician. Not everyone is going to hit it off with any particular person but a sound relationship where health is concerned is a basic consideration. The same principle applies to any provider of health services. Find someone you are comfortable with - no harm no foul. PT is great but has limitations.
     
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    So many things can go wrong with your back. And it's so hard to fix some of them. I've had some horrible incidents of sciatica that put me on the floor. But in my case the problem was caused by too much sitting (cars, airplanes, desk at work) and not enough walking and other physical exercise. Unlike you, I don't have any real damage to my back. But too much sitting for too long and I think my back gets weak. Then some small thing will tweak it and injure it, and down I go. While recovering from these episodes what helped me a lot were a few yoga exercises (cat and dog was one of them), and getting on my feet and walking. On the other hand, my cousin went a different way. She had issues more like yours, I think, so she went in for surgery. They opened her up from the back and the belly and fused some vertebrae. It took a long time to get over the surgery and she also became addicted to the pain medicine. That tore up her stomach so she now has a lot of dietary problems. And her back still isn't well. The vertebrae adjacent to the fused ones are now taking all the load and they are starting to cause problems. She still sits on her butt driving around in the car a lot, taking kids places, going to Dr appointments, etc. No hill climbing for her, not much walking because it hurts. She's in pretty bad shape, poor thing.

    So my advice is to get off your butt and on your feet and start building up the strength in your back. Yoga may help. But avoid doctors and drugs as much as possible. Good luck, and I hope you can get healthy.
     
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    I hope yea get better. Sorry to hear this. Overall my experience with doctors is unless there is a stick stuck in your leg or something obvious they tend to not really know what to do beyond attempting to treat the symptoms. They try but I get the feeling they don’t know things that I always thought they should. Also they make big mistakes. I like the profession and a few times they saved my skin but know there are limits.
     
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    I too have a bad back, aggravated through years of repetitive shop work, lack of stretching and exercise, and general bad posture. Sad to say, twice now I've worked myself into serious flare-ups requiring physical therapy. The only real cure I've found is to keep up with my PT (which includes some pilates and low-impact yoga), and try to quit pushing myself past my physical limits (oddly hard to remember!). I have quite a bit less back pain now than I did 5 years ago, though.

    For me, Yoga helps. There are a lot of different styles of yoga, from very athletic, active ones, to low-impact versions for the injured. If you're already hurt, MAKE SURE to tell the instructor, so they know to modify the moves accordingly.
     
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    Thought I should update. Still having a lot of issues but hubby forced me to see a chiropractor. According to him there is motor and sensory nerve damage. So I now have an appointment to see a neuro to have the nerve tested.
     
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    PLEASE take proper care of this. If the nerves are damaged, the chiropractor won’t be able to help. Leaving the pressure on the nerves will cause permanent damage if it hasn’t already. I know from experience. I didn’t have insurance and couldn’t afford the work that needed to be done. I waited... and pay the price with every step I take. My right leg never did recover.
    I now have a pile of titanium in my lower back, since September ‘13 and that is a wonderful thing. I can do most anything that the rest of my body will allow, except walk without a limp.
    Don’t wait...
     
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    Him showing my hubby that I have zero reflex in my 1 ankle and asking if I ever had nerve testing done scared me but I'm not a believer in chiropractors. Hence following up with the neuro. The other day after snowshoeing I was sore but pressed on with our weekend and since then the numbness in the thigh and the pain in my back has been constant and not lessened with the meds I have.
     
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    I had a neck issue for years. 70s into 80s and a chiropractor was able to help. Finally the time came in ‘88 when he couldn’t help. He sent me to a neurosurgeon when that time came. Good doctor, and he sent me to a good doctor. A rework of some tissues in my neck (carving around the nerve and a laminectomy) fixed that one. Good docs are good people for sure.
    IMO, you should get an MRI and then go to a specialist. I did and am thankful for it.
     
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    I had a similar, though much less severe experience with sciatica. Constant chronic pain throughout most of my early 20s. I finally saw a doctor and a good PT student, and things improved significantly. However during my last appointment the PT she worked for, who had never evaluated or worked with me, tried to talk me into several more months of PT. I said no thanks. I still keep up with my PT and the difference feels miraculous. Good PTs can do wonders, but like anything they are not all good. It may also be time to find another doctor, you've got to have confidence in your physician.

    Good luck and I hope you find something that works @MommaJ
     
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    Everyone is in different circumstances so this advice is highly situational but hear me out. I used to have lower back pain, I'm assuming from carrying multiple heavy packs at a time in the military. What changed the sleep game for me completely was sleeping on a harder surface. I ditched my mattress completely and sleep on the ground/floor with light padding (I use a bear pelt). Back never hurts anymore, I wake up more alert and filled with energy, and my girlfriend hates it :dblthumb:. Been sleeping like this for 2 or 3 years now and refuse to go back to a mattress.
     
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    I suffered a very similar situation back in 2015/2016. I tried chiro, massage, heat, electrical stim., trigger point injections, pain management with 2 different doctors and finally went to see a neuro surgeon. Turns out I was herniated L5S1 and bulging L4L5. Laminectomy on L4L5 and Laminectomy and microdiscectomy on L5S1. L5S1 re-herniated within a couple days and I had to have it done a second time 13 days later. I suffered with chronic pain for about 1 year and was popping advils and tylenol like they were gummie bears. Surgery was June 2016. I have been a happy camper since. Depending on the weather I may feel something in my left leg but it is 98 percent fixed. This experience has opened my eyes to how people can become addicted to pain killers and the miserable life one can suffer due to a soft tissue injury.

    Apparently the risk of re-herniation after the first surgery is like 5 percent and of course, it happened to me. Re-Herniation a third time is unbelievable low. Fingers crossed.

    If I re-herniate again I will need fusion or replacement.

    Life has been so much better. I kept suffering with all these people telling me they can make the pain go away. Nothing worked until I went to the top of the food chain.

    I am still worried about doing anything that can re-herniate me.

    Best of luck to you and I hope you find relief soon.
     
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    Light weights and strengthening is the only thing that's ever helped me out. I lifted fairly heavy back when I was young, and I actually think that helped me avoid a bad back. I'm nearing 50 now and recently started getting sciatic pain, and even that goes away if do some weight training. Not powerlifting stuff, but just some light dumbells. Like others have said, ever back is a different, but you only get one, so take care of it.
     
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    I'm dealing with lower back issues that were a problem with my weight, but things are improving with my low-carb diet and I do use DMSO to help relax the muscles and such when the pain gets too bad. Bad disc and a really long back that just doesn't handle weight well - So the long-term fix is to dump the weight and also exercise gently to build up muscles to help counter the problems with the disc.
     
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    Update:
    Went to see the neurologist and he almost immediately pin pointed what is going on. He said the three sacral joint muscle is inevitable inflamed whichis irritating the nerve which is cause the back pain and issues. He had me on anti inflammatory meds plus nerve pain meds to try and calm everything down.
    In like 2 weeks I go in for emg testing to ensure the nerves and then back to see him to see where we go next.
    He also said with the various health issues I have had over the years might all be connected so we get the back under control then we are going to start connecting the dots and getting some answers and relief.
    I cannot believe I am driving an hour to see a doctor to get answers when I have a teaching hospital 5minutes from me and the doctors affiliated with it haven't been able to figure it out.
     
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    In a cue for a fusion op. L5 7mm out of place in pics taken in nov -17, gotten worse since and multiple disc hernias around it.
    Not liking the idea of operation at all but pain meds do almost nothing to me, an hour, max two of help (3 different pills 3 times a day, two at max dose). Post-op meds will be interesting to get.
    Nerve damages are most likely permanent by now, sensations are wonky below the right knee, been for months, anything touching feels like burning pain.
     
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    [There is a point to my story btw]

    @MommaJ I fell out of a tree when I was 14 from about 25' up and landed on my back. I wont go into all of the issues but I saw doctors and chiropractors for years, had to quit martial arts, etc. Life sucked. Lol

    It got a little better in my twenties but I still had hip coming out of place, major back pain where your pelvis is attached. When I had a flareup it was bad enough otc meds wouldn't touch it and Id be down for days to a week and I mean couch time.

    About three years ago I got a sportbike that I'd bern wanting all my life. It was a hard decision because although I wouldn't be leaned over like a super sport, I still figured my riding would be short trips. I started riding and learning to ride so I was in the saddle a lot. Often when I'd get off I could barely walk, my back, my stomach, hips, everything was sore. But after riding all summer I somehow realized my back hurt less than ever and longer periods in between. After a few years of it being my only transportation my back pain would actually go away while riding. Seriously! And one day my back went out for two days and I had to go to the store and made myself get on the bike and picked my leg over the seat and by the time I got back it was just tight, not sore.


    I mentioned this to my PT last week actually (during my knee PT). She basically confirmed what I knew, riding my motorcycle strengthened my core muscles, like stomach, hips, and related muscles as well as my back by keeping good posture and leaning/twisting, etc. Anybody that rides will tell you it strengthens your core if you do it enough. I'm not suggesting you get a bike or that it can solve everyones back issues or mine long term.


    What I am suggesting is to strengthen your core, not just your back. Look at core strengthening exercizes that are low impact. Yep, probably going to hurt some and be sore afterwards, but should get better as you go. I wouldn't do any crazy exercizes, stick with basic stuff.

    BE SURE to streatch and do a warm up exercise first, and ice your sore area after. Very important!

    I'm also prescribed 800 mg of ibuprofen twice a day to fight inflammation for my knee, it does help so you might try that, ask your doc for a script, its cheap. If not use otc 200 mg if she says its okay for you to take.


    Lastly, if you dont like or trust your doc, change docs, period!
     
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    Some docs that think they know everything...don't. So if you find a good one, hold on to them. I went to florida to a specialist because these idiots here in Arkansas were letting me die for four months and telling me nothing was wrong after I had test results in my hand saying what was wrong.

    Good luck with everything and I hope you feel better.
     
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    I too have degenerative disc, spinal arthritis, and bulging with nerve impingement on L4-5 & L3-4. Low back pain, particularly when acute just sucks the life from you. I do A LOT of stretching, foam rolling, chiropractic care, core strengthening, weightlifting, and I use an inversion table for traction. Still get acute episodes now and again, but keep on keeping on. All I ever get told is “There isn’t anything wrong with you that isn’t wrong with any 46 year old man.”
     
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    Your story makes sense.. kayaking hurts I mean it hurts like no tommorrow especially in the spring but by fall I feel great back wise. The physical therapist said its bc of how I hold my core while kayaking, it works my core until my core gives up and it's all in my arms. So that by fall my arms and core muscles are stronger. Last year I didn't get out much due to appendectomy and this year all the docs have said absolutely no kayaking.

    I go in for the nerve testing on the 7th. I have a blue fishing trip on the 6th and I see the neuro again on the 25th,memorial day weekend. Right now I am holding off on a kayak trip bc of Ray's work schedule not bc of docs but I wonder if I will get the same results this year as I got previous years.

    Although riding a bike sounds pretty tempting I'm gonna put that option on the shelf until I am not driving kids around lol
     
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    Is your pain in the back or leg?
     
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    The pain has localized to my lower back to my right hip and numbness down my leg to me knee with an occasional lightening bolt down to my foot.
     
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    OK, I don’t disagree with the EMG but generally find them rather useless unless looking for certain specific conditions. That’s what neurologists do though, that’s their “procedure”. I agree with the Neurontin as well. Keep in mind that most PCP’s, pain management docs, and even neurologists struggle when it comes to treating backs. It’s an art as well as a science.
     
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    That's what I I learning is that it truly is an art as much as a science. And as such I am I to keep an open mind and willing to seek other opinions of something just sounds crazy to me. Like the chiropractor telling me I have little to no reflex in my right ankle.
     
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    Why is having no ankle reflex crazy, or do you mean he/she was mistaken?
     
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    Just I never heard of someone failing a reflex test and that none of the other doctors I have dealt with noticed it or tested it. So to me it sounded crazy and made me go to a neuro (bc the chiropractor said it was nerve related) to investigate it.
     
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    When it comes to the back everyone is some kind of expert
    From the scientific point of view, and with respect to: level I prospective randomized power tested blinded controlled evidence of treatment efficacy

    There is that which you don't know and that which you don't know and you think is so...
     
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    Some how I missed this thread. I'm very sorry about you injury. If you won't mind my ignorance and query, how were you injured?

    Reading through all these posts I see that this is a fairly common issue within this community. I acquired an annular tear in the disc @L5/S1 that effectively ended my employment any where.

    Mobility is an issue with sciatica, bilateral bursitis of the hips, and constant, chronic pain. Biofreeze never worked for me, but judicious use of N-said, acetaminophen, and cold packs work to a degree. The wife bought one of those Teeter inversion tables for me that seems to work well.

    On the positive side, I have learned a new skill in making walking staffs. (I don't need one all the time, but it does come in handy). Sorry, not trying to hijack your thread.
     
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    @Jim L. Years ago moving furniture I hurt my back and then kept reinjuring it. Last October I had herniated a disc again and the pain never went away.


    Update though is I have had the emg and nerve conduct test done. The doc doing the testing asked me to explain the numbness in my thighs and I said if I could pull my skin off and plunge a knife into my bone I would not feel it but if I had to stab through my skin I would.

    He said that is exactly what the 2 tests show. I have sensation but that muscles do not respond to stimulation. He said my neuro will explain it to me at our next visit.Then he told me to have a good week. So now I wait until the 25th when I follow up with the doc.
     
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    My fingers are crossed for you, Sister.
     
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    Momma J,

    I didn't read all the posts (sorry guys) but something that has worked for me in the past with back issues is to do some abdominal work. To start, look at doing some lying knee tucks, where you lie on your back, and your knees are in a sit up position, feet approximately 18 inches from your butt on the floor. Then tense your abs, and bring your feet up off the floor, until your upper thigh is perpendicular to the floor. Hands should be by your side. Check with the PT guy first as I'm not a doctor, but stayed in a Holiday Inn last night! This is the first progression followed by other, harder exercises.

    Paul
     
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    Haha love it. I watch cold black so I'm more versed in trauma then pleasure medicine like you will learn on a holiday inn.

    Actually my neuro has me doing a stretch where I lay on my back and hug my knee to my chest. And my chiropractor has me using a hip brace when shopping and a lumber pillow when sitting.
     
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    Ok, so I’m late to the party. I also haven’t read all the responses so I apologize if I am advocating for things that have already been covered.

    I have both hip and back issues from an auto accident in 2002 combined with years of x-sports and construction work. I have a steel rod in my femur and screws in my hip and knee. This has caused me to favor that leg and given me quickening back issues. I have degenerative discs in my lower back and have had issues with pain associated with inflammation due to the heavy lifting and 12 hour shifts on concrete floors. I would say the pain is like sciatic nerve pain but doesn’t track down the butt and leg. It SUCKS. My ortho says basically there’s not a lot they can do. He says th pain will lessen in about 10 years when the degeneration is complete. Wonderful!!

    I have however found a few things that for me control the inflammation and almost completely alievate the pain. First is taking a quality tumeric supplement. I take 2000mg twice a day. Second and this is what I believe makes the real difference is CBD oil. It’s an extracted concentrate from the cannabis plant that has full spectrum benefits without THC. It’s legal in all 50 states. I have also been drug tested at work since using it and passed. It took me a bit to find a quality product as there are a bunch on the market and not all are created equal. It also isn’t cheap. It’s like $60-$70 a bottle which is a one month or so supply for me but everyone’s case is different. The brand I use is CBD Pure. It’s been like a miracle. Every day I marvel at how well I feel now.

    Just thought I would throw it out there. Feel free to DM me if you have any questions and I can point you in the right direction.
     
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    I have heard the wonders of CBD oil and am considering trying it depending on what the doc wants to try next. Right now I am holding off as they are measuring my pain and inflammation to see what and where the damage is and if this medication is working. Which it helps but when it is flaring up it does nothing and I am pacing like a caged tiger.

    Also the neuro believes that this nerve issue is related to other health issues I have had and is trying to get to root of it all.

    When I make the jump though to CBD oil I will definitely get in touch.
     
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    Here is an audio interview with Dr. Earl Mindell (his work on supplements goes back over 50 years) on CBD:

    http://zfirelight.blogspot.com/2018/05/05-03-18-health-through-hemp-scary.html

    The platform that this is on won't allow me to embed it. The interview starts about 10 min 30 sec in.


    This is a summary from the radio show's website:
    Source: https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2018/05/03
     
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