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    @GeoKrpan, are you using a shim on the surly open bar? Also I just changed my stem to a short Mtb stem but it's still 31.4mm. I see origin 8 has a very similar bar in 31.4
     
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    Dude, that's exactly what I do. I call it geek hunting. I get my t-shirts a Target, Champion C9, poor man's Patagonia.
     
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    Yep, using 31.8 to 25.4 shim from Problem Solvers and Park SAC2 anti-slip paste. I haven't had the slightset hint of handlebar slip. The Surly bar is well designed in this respect with deep serrations in the clamp area. I have had trouble with other steel bars but not the Surly. The stem that came with you bike is a very good stem, use it if you can. The Open bar comes in Zero and 40mm rise/drop. I got the Zero.
     
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    Bike came, excuse me for the horrible photo. Very happy with it. Going to get the fox transfer factory dropper to match the factory fork and shock.

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    Very cool looking bike.
     
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    Thanks. It's got a full XT groupset, fox kashima factory fork and rear shock, maxxis tires, race face bar and stem, and dt swiss wheels. Today I'm swapping to a shorter stem and setting it up tubeless.
     
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    Sheesh, that was fast, looks good.
     
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    The stem I ordered is too short for my comfort. Trying a 60mm next. Hopefully it will be the right size.
    Debating the tubeless. Right now I switch tires between the 29 x 3 when trails, and some 700c road touring tires. If I go tubeless, I'll be locked in. Hmm.
     
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    Yes it was. First ride was tonight. Again, pictures from a friends phone who rode with me. Really enjoy this bike.

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    Either you need a second set of wheels or another bike.

    BTW Vee Tire has come out with 29x2.8 slicks. Also available in 27.5x3 and 26x2.8.

    https://www.veetireco.com/listings/plus-size-speedster/

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    Any idea where I can get a second set of wheels for the Motobecane for around $250? I'd want 29 or 27.5. I can transfer my rotor and cluster from 26x4. Need the correct hub spacing. Originally it was listed as 170R/140F. But it seems 135 is more common.

    Also been working on my bunny hop and I like the length of the 60mm stem. The one I ordered is pretty cheaply made. Will need to look around for an upgrade. To make my manuals easier, I put my handlebars back to more upright position.
    I also repacked my rear hub because I have pretty tough on the bike. Another question, how do I get the "opposite side nut off the axle? One side breaks free, and the other side never comes off. I tried the vise grips in the middle (non -threaded portion).
    Lastly, I took a couple of loops around the skills course. Each loop was progressively better. But boy do I lack "style".
     
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    A set of 29+ wheels with 135/170 hub spacing is not going to be easy to find, you'll probably have to have them built. Origin 8 sells an inexpensive 170mm rear hub, I reckon there is a matching 135mm front hub. Since you won't be running a plus tire you can use an ordinary 29er rim which can be found cheaply.

    https://www.niagaracycle.com/catego...HUPLd9TPygJEpp4UmL5QMJVuJoa3AZLDNAaAm8b8P8HAQ

    You need a 15mm cone wrench.

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    Any chance" lacing my own wheel" is viable option?
    Regarding the cone wrench, the problem seems that the nut is frozen on and there is nothing to counteract the turning on the axle. I was able to remove the axle from the hub because the other side broke free first.
     
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    The cone has flats for the cone wrench. See them? Lacing your own totally viable.
     
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    Seems like my cost for a new wheel would be $32 for the hub, $20 for spokes, $46 for a rim . About a $100. Would I need any other tools other than spoke nipple offset screwdriver, spoke wrench, truing stand? Is a spoke tension meter and wheel alignment gauge necessary?
     
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    Tension meter not necessary. I think you can get by without a dishing tool.

    I have to admit I've never built a wheel, pre-built wheels are usually cheaper. And, I used to know a shop that built a wheel for $40 including the spokes.
     
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    ive built 3 working at the shop. Its not too hard, but then again I work with a very good wheel builder who showed me what to do. Take your time and tension everything evenly and you will be ok. Only do a quarter turn at a time with the spokes, and it it gets too hard to tension one spoke loosen the other side, because a wheel can fold in on itself when building. I believe we charge $60 for labor + spokes and nipples. We cut the threads into the spokes after we cut them to length so we just buy full length unthreaded dt swiss spokes.
     
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    $60 is very fair. Spoke cutting machines are the way to go.

     
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    Yep, this is the one we use. It works great!
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    Very cool looking piece of machinery. Wonder what would happen if I stuck my lughead skull in there?
     
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    Your friends will say....Look, Lughead got screwed.

    And I say this with a smile :)
     
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    thinking of going back to clipless on the new bike. Thinking of either xt trail pedals or the new ht enduro clipless pedals. Leaning torwards the xt because I can get cleats and parts easily.
     
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    That doesn't look like an expensive piece of machinery. I was under the impression that it was. I suppose that there are expensive ones, electric, automated, etc.

    PS I saw one on the Internet, $199.

     
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    nope, simple, quick and very effective.
     
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    $140 on Amazon. Wonder how much replacement dies are.
     
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    Did my first Mtb race tonight. 11 miles. I did not have the worst time, but was 3rd to last. Techniques are improving. I had never done this course before. Lots of fun. I finished in 1 : 11 : 44. Best time for the race was 49 minutes. Hmm that's 23 minutes difference. Lots of times around the 55 minutes mark. I am going to do the course again and see if I can hit 1hr 4 minutes. I think I can shave 7 min now that I am familiar with course and if I push it a bit harder during certain sections. I lose time by over braking. I think my inexperience does not allow me to get good flow. 2nd lap I felt much more comfortable.
     
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    That's awesome. Definitely a disadvantage not knowing the course. Was there any technical sections?
     
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    No. Lots of hairpins, rollers, couple of small drops (12") over logs, couple of rock gardens, and literally a couple thousand trees lining standing guard right on the edges of the trail. One of them even "befriended my right shoulder"
     
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    Id like to do a race like that. Next year hopefully I will be racing enduro.
     
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    Set up the dt swiss wheels tubeless tonight. Went very smoothly. 3 oz and a teaspoon of glitter.
     
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    I imagine it is pretty lame by Enduro standards, but there is a regional "professional XC race there. It's a "blue rated course" with a couple of black sections. All hand maintained by our local IMBA chapter. Road hoes, Pulaski's, shovels and strong backs
     
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    First time 2Bliss?

     
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    What's with the glitter? To detect leaks?
     
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    Hmm. Went to the LBS last night. Walked away with my Motobecane still the only bike on my car rack(I have room for three). But always a dangerous thing to window shop.
    Looked at a Santa Cruz 29er hard tail, front suspension. Man that thing was light. $1,600
     
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    Don't do it. Don't buy a bike that won't fit plus tires. You can run regular 29er tires on a plus bike but you can't run plus tires on a regular 29er.

     
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    I recently did something that I didnt know I could do.
    My first charity Ultra-Marathon.
    100 kilometers in 12 hours.
    It was a big party before, during, and after.

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    nope, ive done it on every bike ive owned except for the fatbike.
     
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    @GeoKrpan, I believe someone told me that is called boost spacing. So the Fuse does that. But then I am mind of just back to where I am with the Motobecane. The Motobecane is a great bike. I have beat it up pretty good. Just wish it was a bit lighter. Maybe I need to reconsider the tubeless thing. But Id probably need to buy new tires at $75 bucks a pop. Hmmm....

    Specialized is coming out with the Chisel which is 29*2.3 but has the same 110/148 hub spacing as the Fuse. Hmmm.....
    When I showed the Motobecane to the salesman, he could not believe the bike was only $599.
     
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    Boost = Bullshit, a catchy marketing name for the Freds who are drawn to geegaws. No advantages over what you have, disadvantages actually. The Motobecane approach is actually more radical. Get the cheapest Vidar tires, wire bead, and do split tube ghetto, best to use new tires. Do not use folding tires, they may not work, the bead is too floppy, won't seat. The Motobecane 29+ is the smokingest deal, now$499. I never worry about the weight of mine. A Plus bike of another brand would probably be heavier because of suspension.

    If you want to improve the performance of your bike do the solid axle conversion. It will improve the braking, shifting, handling, and speed. This tweak is as least as good as tubeless, perhaps better.

     
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    @GeoKrpan ,Where did you find the solid axle again? Did you buy a bolt and have it cut and threaded or some threaded rod?
    Also it seems Amazon has stopped carrying the Innova 29 x 3 tire. Any idea where I can get it online ?
     
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    I got the rod at Fastenal, all threaded rod, 10 mm diameter, 1.0 mm threading. It was $12 for a 1 meter piece and $12 for shipping. It is not perfectly straight which is not good for the wheel bearings but my wheels roll as smoothly as they ever did. You may be able to find better rod. You could also find a shop that sells this sort of thing and tell them your needs. Use the threaded rod on the rear hub and cut to length the old, hollow rear axle for use on the front. It cuts very easily with a hack saw, clean up the cuts with a file. Find my posts on the topic. The rod I bought is 4140 chromoly and has proven to be up to the task.

    I Googled Vidar 29+ and didn't find any. Find another 29x3 wire bead tire that resembles the Vidar, with shallow knobs. Jason got Surly Dirt Wizards and hated them, knobs too big, rolls so slow, went back to Vidars.
     
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    Boost is only as strong as your axle, which is where the strength comes from. My orbea is boost, and I can find no real difference.
     
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    Boost is nothing more than a name they gave to 148mm rear spacing. Correct me if there's more to it.

    Why didn't they call it 148mm rear spacing. I think they made up a name to intimate there was more to it, voodoo, black magic, witchcraft, hocus pocus, or just plain old bullshit.

     
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    Your 100% right. Only added rear clearance for tires and 11 and 12 speed drivetrains. Also widened bottom brackets for a better chain line with 1x systems.
     
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    found this little guy riding yesterday ;)
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    I only did this little guy. Landing is just after the rocks.
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    So, older wheels and cranks are obsolete, brilliant. I can't wait until the novelty of 1x wears off and the reality sets in, for most people, they'll be very happy to sell you 2x or 3x. But, they'll make up some catchy hype to do so.

    Not enough confidence to do the big jump? Or, you need a downhill bike for that.
     
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    Hit up my 10 mile loop. 89 degrees, high humidity. Got a flat out on the trail. Mosquitoes were bad. Got the whole thing changed in less than 10 minutes. Had my basic repair kit: spare tube, Topeak pump, Topeak Alien II. Sweat was just pouring off my head. After the change I took it easy for a bit and enjoyed the small breezee you get when you pedal your bike. My skills are improving. I try to go with the flow of the trail. Get a little air of the drops on the descents. No crashes or near misses with trees. Doing the same course repeatedly really helps I think. Went through a full 2L of water in the hour that I was out there. Felt great and feel great today. I'm no speed demon, but am improving. As much as I want a new bike, the Motobecane 29+ really is more bike than my skills allow. Just got to remember it's not always the tool that makes the craftsman better and to just "ride the dang bike".
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    need a downhill bike for that one, I would destroy a trail bike for sure on it.
     
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    Back to the same trail today and I come upon this young lady changing her tire. I stop and see if she needs help. Now this is a 10mile connector trail not a loop so its not super heavily trafficked. She has a double suspension, full Lycra,(dont know how they make it through the thorns. in Lycra), one water bottle, one CO2 cartridge. one park tool tire lever, one spare tube. any spots on thses trails have no cell coverage. Shes running tubeless and cant get the tire off with her one lever. I think the Park tool levers are too thick. I carry a Zefal patch kit from Walmart that has much thinner "points". I also carry a pump and a bunch of other crap(headstrap headlamp, space blanket, spare batteries, first aid kit, mosquito repellent, sunscreen, blistex, lighter, hard shell rain jacket with hood, you get the idea). Anyway I help her get her tire off and inflate her tube using my pump. Ive never used co2. My pump is pretty low volume but it works with enough strokes. So I start pumping. Shes running 29*2.x and tells me that she runs the tires soft. I mean there was 15psi max. My guess is she rolled the bead off. I dont know. Why would she run so low on a full suspension tubeless? Better traction? I assume she knew what she was doing.
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2017 at 8:29 PM
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