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    I just got done with my commuting for the day.

    With the current 1 x 11 setup, 40 chainring/11-42 cassette, I am using only the three smallest cogs of the cassette the vast majority of the time.

    Not good, that cassette won't last long. A compelling reason to go 2 x 11 with 50 chainring even if it means buying a new derailleur.
     
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    Happy Thanksgiving! My twin brother is coming over to go for a ride.
     
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    Yep, popular cx choice.

    I have never had a problem with 1x specific 11 speed derailleurs on a 2x system. I built quite a few gravel bikes over the summer with gx 11 speed setups with a 46/36 crankset.
     
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    Thanks, that is great news.

    I just ordered SRAM 110 bcd, 5 arm, 50 and 34 chainrings, 2x chainring bolts, and a 120 link 11 speed chain.

    The front shifter and front derailleur have already been shipped.

    I also ordered 2 SRAM GX 2 x 10 rear derailleurs with clutch with 36 max cog. One will go on the 2 x 10 29+, the other on the 3 x 10 steel gravel bike. $55 each.

    If I like it on the steel gravel bike, I will get the Shimano Ultegra RX800 road rear derailleur with clutch for the carbon gravel bike.
     
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    The front derailleur arrived. Looks like it will work. It's a SRAM X7 2 x 10, $15, in the SRAM packaging. This one is called a low mount and you can see why. On this bike a high mount might have had a tire clearance issue. The low mount looks sleek and minimal. It's called dual pull which means the cable can pull it from the top or bottom. My bike will pull it from the top. The derailleur I got actually has hex head adjustment screws, not like below. It is a pleasant dark grey, not quite a color match for the rear derailleur but only the most neurotic would notice. It has a plastic shim to fit my seat tube, 31.8, so it's not mounted metal on metal, sweet.

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    Scrolling through pinkbike and I saw this, thought it was pretty neat. Campy downtube shifter as a dropper lever.
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    Some of the shots I used in a shop calendar a while back... ;)
     

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    All the stuff is here for the 2 x 11 conversion, except for the shifter. I got a new chain just in case the old one wasn't long enough. I got this chain because it has 120 links, the others had 114.

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    The 2 x 1o derailleurs with clutch also arrived. I will put them on the steel gravel bike and 29+ MTB. Both are 2 x 10 with long cage derailleurs so it's going to be easy. I get to use the quick link plier that I bought for the first time. I also got a star nut setter for 10 bux.

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    The installation of the clutch derailleur went without a hitch for the reasons stated above, it took minutes, literally. There is a feature on this derailleur that takes off chain tension for wheel removal which made the job a breeze.

    It has been test ridden.

    GCN, Global Cycling Network, did a vid on the Shimano Ultegra RX800 rear derailleur with clutch. They tied a rag to the right side chainstay and rode with the clutch disengaged. Then, they put on a clean rag and rode with the clutch engaged. They compared the rags afterwards. There was some oil on rag 2 which means that there is still some slap but it was only a small fraction of rag 1. They rode on a cobblestone street. They said nothing more about the other advantages.

    The comments were interesting.
    One guy said it added drag which was tiresome on a long ride.
    This is true, there is added drag with the bike in the repair stand, switching the clutch on and off. But, imperceptable when riding. This is the kind of guy that would blame a poor performance on a tire that weighs 20 grams more than what he usually rides

    Another guy said it made wheel changes harder with the clutch engaged.
    So, disengage it. The SRAM der. that I got is not switchable but it does have the above mentioned feature.

    Another guy said shifting was worse with the clutch engaged.
    My perception is that shifting is better. The chain is not bouncing around as much.

    I say, the clutch has only added good, no bad. There is virtually no chain slap. It's only noise but until it's gone only then do you realize the level of distraction and unplesantness. The drivetrain now feels more like a single speed, more efficient, just a better feel. My spin is noticably better especially while standing. It adds drag but it improves the performance of the drivetrain, counter intuitive but true. It's analogous to the MMA fighter that smokes pot before a fight to improve performance, illegal in MMA.

    Back during the singlespeed/fixed gear era there was much conjecture about why a 1 speed drivetrain was better than multi-speed. Now that I have tried the clutch, I must conclude that it is the stability of the chain.


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    Well put mate I totally agree, any drag or downside is massively outweighed by the benefits, its easy to forget it after riding for a while but go back to a 10 speed Rd with no clutch or 9 or 8 speed and the difference is mind blowing
     
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    Thank you. Not going back, never!
     
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    BTW About the above bike that I put on the clutch derailleur.

    It has a 3 x 10 drivetain. It has MTB derailleurs, the front der. is 3 x 9, the rear 2 x 10. It has MTB shifters. Only the crank is road, 3 x 10, triple chainrings, 50/39/30. The MTB front derailleur works perfectly with the road crank. In the 50 chainring there is no front der. rub from one side of the cassette to the other, smallest cog to biggest cog, 36.

    The brakes are TRP hydraulic. The bike was sold as a gear ready single speed with removable cable stops and guides. Only the cable stop on the right chainstay is welded on.

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    The bike with the clutch derailleur has been ridden in anger on a Saturday morning road ride.

    I did lake laps, a five mile loop. I call it the Westlake Village criterium course. On a Saturday morning there will be many opportunities to "race" because there are so many riders out.

    It's just as I theorized, the clutch is a big improvement. There is just more drive in the bike, it picks up speed faster. After a hard acceleration I'm not as blown and hence recover faster.

    I really only got in one race but it was a young, strong buck. He zapped by and I had to sprint to get on his wheel. After half a mile he looked back and was surprised that I was there. He jumped immediately to try and dislodge me. I stood to sprint in the drops, him on the hoods. My sprint was better, he collapsed into the saddle, I could have stayed standing longer. We hit a light and had to stop. We had the opportunity to chat, I said thanks for the training, he said no problem buddy. The light turned green and he sped away but not with the same intensity. I think he realized he'd met his match. We came up behind a friend of mine and I slowed to ride with him, letting the guy go.

    I have raced this guy before and he had an easier time with me in the past. No doubt he remembers that too.

    I would conclude that the clutch has made me faster.
     
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    All I do is ride Bicycle, take a bus, hop a train, or hitchhike. I own a vintage Peugot. Although I am wanting to upgrade to a more modern Aluminum frame Giant road bike. PeugeotUO18BlueFullSideRight.jpg
     
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    Sweet looking bike.
     
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    Paul Sherwen, right, the legendary Tour de France announcer, has died at age 62. On the left is his co-announcer, Phil Ligget. Don't wait sonny.

    PS It was a bad week, I had a dog and then a cat, die.

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    Brain... funny you looking for Alum. bike and I'm looking for steel...
    Sad week GEO, feel for ya buddy.

    Bought new wheels for myself for Christmas. Nothing special, Shimano RS010. Popped a few spokes last year off the RS3's that came on the bike. I've been putting on my winter weight (200 even) hope I'm not too heavy for them. They came with the same Continental tires that my bike originally had on it. Should be good for 2k miles. My 28's will have to stay in the box another year unless I become weak and buy a new bike. Wishing I had the knowledge a lot of you do here, would just build a dream bike and be done (yea right...).
     
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    Thanks Ian. I used to not trust wheels with that few spokes, but hey, they're Shimano. With so few spokes, I'd keep an eye on the spoke tension, not hard to do.
     
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    I decided not to use the front shifter that I bought for $18 on ebay. It's a flat bar road shifter and I'd rather use a MTB shifter. So, I found one at Jenson USA for $32. It looks close enough to the Apex shifter that came on the bike. Only the biggest nerds would notice.

    Jensen also had resin brake pads for the XT8000 brakes for $6 a wheel. They don't have the cooling fins but that's OK with me. The pads that came with the XT brakes are metallic but the rotors that came on the bike are resin only. The combination of resin pads and rotors is the most quiet I've ever used.

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    I have built too many of those. I have also seen some quality control issues with them. They sure are fun to wheelie around though!
     
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    Man I need to start riding again....hoping my fatigue from med issues will go away. Used to ride a bit of mountain bike, just bought a used (but looks fantastic trek excalibur 7...needs brake pads though) I know...its not as cool as your guys) maybe I can work my way up..thanks for this thread..Been fun reading it!
     
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    Thank you. Gives you something to do while you're recovering. I hope it inspires you.
     
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    Jason is such a kook, birds of a feather..... He's looking forward to doing some geek hunting on it. His bike got burned up in the fire that destroyed his house. His friends started a GoFundMe account for him and he got $6000.

    The brakes on the SE Om Duro are shite, cable Avid BB5. I will put on some hydraulic brakes for him. He'll get the old brakes from my new bike after I put the XT brakes on it.
     
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    I've seen this rider and bike on RAGBRAI every year I've ridden. Yep he wears the full helmet when it is 90+ degrees. He even wears the shower curtain to some evening festivities.
    Rightfully named the Miyagi Turbo.
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    I put the clutch derailleur on my 29+ MTB today. It has rained the last two days so all I could do is ride it around the park by my house.

    What a difference. The bike is now completely silent. A slapping chain and clunking derailleur has a negative psychological effect. It amplifies the perception of harshness. It is especially true for my bike which is suspension free.

    Another thing I notice is that the freewheel feels like it's always engaged. In a tight, slow maneuver there seems to be more control.

    I can't wait for the trails to dry up. Jason went to our local trails, Chesebro Park, last week and said it's all burned up but it's open.
     
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    Well new shock is on its way for the slash. I went with a cane creek double barrel coil with a climb switch. The stock shock is ok, but it lacks adjustment and it is leaking oil pretty bad (very common problem with treks thru shaft shocks). Cane creek hooked me up with a pretty good deal on it. High speed compression, low speed compression, high speed rebound and low speed rebound control. The climb switch is very nice to have with a coil.

    Picture of the shock
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    Sheesh. I know that for the kind of riding that you do, that suspension is necessary, but, it still sucks.

    Car suspension doesn't fail regularly, why can't bicycle suspension be that way?

     
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    Went mountain biking yesterday, it was the sweetest ride ever on that bike. The clutch derailleur put it over the top. I've had that bike for three years and only now do I feel I have it like I want it. I was contemplating a new bike but now I'm not sure it would be any better than what I have.

    We put a Jones bar on Jason's new bike, SE Om Duro. He said he's riding better than on any previous bike. He said taking off the BMX style bar and stem knocked off 4 or 5 lbs. He rode a very tricky downhill with some guys on dual suspension and they just couldn't keep up.
     
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    I did the 2 x 11 conversion. It works but I still have some futzing to do. I had to mess around with the b-tension screw, cable tension, and chain length. The front derailleur works but it's not the right one, very tight tire clearance, only cost $15.
     
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    I've done more futzing and I have to conclude, IT DOES NOT WORK. The 1 x 11 derailleur simply does not have the capacity to handle the chainrings that I am using, 50/34.

    I have left the front derailleur, shifter, and cable in place but have centered the front derailleur over the big chainring and will be riding it 1 x 11 with a 50 tooth chainring.
    The way that I have it, the front derailleur will not shift.

    That's actually not bad. My small gear is 31.8 gear inches which is amply low for my commuting. The big gear is 121.4 gi.

    The chain is now mostly in the middle of the cassette rather than on the smallest cogs.

    I'm going to have to get the SRAM GX 2 x 11 derailleur. It cost around $100. It will handle a 42 tooth big cog and a 10 tooth small cog.

    Live and learn, but it still sucks.

    PS The GX 2 x 11 derailleur is $91.51 at 365Cycles. 365Cycles has appeared on my radar as of late. They frequently have the best price and free shipping along with a comprehensive inventory. They ship fast too.

    PS PS The beauty of an inexpensive bike is that you can spend the money you saved on upgrades. The bike was $699 and I will have spent around $200 on the 2 x 11 conversion. But, I have a very capable and versatile bike that will handle anything, road racing, gravel, and light touring, and, do it all well. I spent another $200 on the yet to be installed XT brakes but that really wasn't necessary.
     
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    Here's what SRAM says about the GX 2 x 11 derailleur.

    "When paired with our wide range 10-42t cassette and GX 2x rear derailleur, GX 2x11 provides the widest range of gears ever offered on a 2x drivetrain."

    This is entirely true. I have not seen this setup on any bike. There's plenty of 2 x 11 bikes but not with 10-42 cassettes, and, most gravel bikes are 1 x11. So, to get it for your bike you'd have to spend some dough.
     
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    Do you guys have a source for discounted parts? I used to when I rode before but they are out of business now.
     
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    365Cycles, low prices, free shipping, ships fast. I am doing an order today, it will arrive December 22.
     
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    Awesome thanks! I'm hoping to get riding more, really used to enjoy bike building/repair.
     
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    Trigger pulled on GX 2 x 11 rear derailleur.

    I also got a GX high clamp, top pull, 2 x 11 front derailleur, $35. Hopefully it has more tire clearance. It looks like it will from the pics of it.
     
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    Jason is such a nut. He gave away his new bike, SE Om Duro. He said he wants something else.
     
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    Yep, saw that on Instagram. Did he give it to the fire department?
     
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    Now, we gotta' figure out what to get him. He wants a no suspension, PLUS tire bike. He said titanium, I said aluminum, he's just so careless with his stuff. I think that he thinks that the more you spend, the less maintenance is required, wrong!

    At any rate, it ought to have thru axles, a tapered steerer tube, carbon fork, tubeless rims, clutch derailleur, and external bearing crank.

    We prefer 2 x over 1 x. Trouble is, the selection of 2 x bikes gets smaller and smaller. We will probably have to convert it to 2 x. Same is true for the fork. We will have to take off a suspension fork and put on a rigid one.

    The Trek 1120 fits the bill except for the 1 x 11 drivetrain, but it's expensive at $2600. No 1 x 12 for $2600?

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    There's a cheaper Trek 920, $2100. It's 2 x 10 but it does not have PLUS tires. It's got a drop bar but it's not a dirt drop. It has a no clutch rear derailleur, lame!

    Here's a 1 x 12 Motobecane fatbike for $1699. Get a pair of PLUS wheels for it and you'd have it all.

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fat-bikes/fat-bikes-nighttrainexpress-eagle-1x12.htm

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    You might look for a used 'garage queen' 2016 Trek Stache 5...
     
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    This!
     
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    They're becoming a cult classic!

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    This cracks me up. Trek discontinued it and Niner did the same with the ROS9.

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    Although, you can still get the ROS 9 frameset, $1050 at Backcountry. The original, above, looks have a steel frame and fork, while the more recent one, below, has an aluminum frame and carbon fork, ok with me. This is not too bad of a deal.

    https://www.backcountry.com/niner-r...K9aHgWdqTXO9tcKfpyF_gSAAGtseBofBoC0x0QAvD_BwE

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    PS I don't think a front derailleur can be run on the Stache or the original ROS9. The new ROS 9 is definitely front derailleur ready. I wouldn't buy a bike where a front derailleur can't be run.
     
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    This is the bike I ride, mine is orange, available in no less than 5 colors. It was $599 a few years ago, now it's $499.
    Tweaks I've made.
    Covert hubs to nutted axles. I made the 235mm rear axle out of threaded rod because the longest ready made axle is 187mm. This is the greatest tweak, poor man's thru axle.
    Clutch rear derailleur.
    Wald 867 handlebar.
    Shimano Zee 4 piston brakes.
    Changed chainrings from 40/28 to 36/22.
    Brake rotors changed from 160/160mm to 203/180.
    ESI XXL Chunky grips.
    For a while I ran the tires split tube ghetto tubeless but I'm just as happy with the tubed CST BFT 29x3.0 tires with tire liners and they are actually less hassle.

    All this cost $400 of which $190 was a splurge for the brakes just because they're bitchin'. The brakes that come with the bike are adequate, 2 piston hydraulic.

    It is tweaked to perfection, needs nothing. If I got a new bike I don't think it could be any better. The reality is that I would have to start the tweaking process all over again, a big hassle.

    I thought about adding a carbon fork but the nutted axle conversion changed my mind. It rides well, does nothing wrong.

    This is what Jason should do. He's too careless about his equipment to spend more. The only bummer is that I would have to do all the work, Jason is a shit bike mechanic.

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fat-bikes/fat-bikes-fant-29px5-fatbikes.htm

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    Merry Christmas!
     
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    My twin brother is visiting from Corona Del Mar, mom was a twin too. He's got a small gym there where he trains one or two people at a time. He's super fit, near zero body fat, and weighs 50 lbs less than me, not identical twins. He's riding a aluminum Cannondale with carbon fork. I'm on a obscure brand steel bike, frame and fork. He estimated that my bike weighs 5 lbs more.

    We rode up Westlake Village Blvd. yesterday into Decker Canyon. This is a steep, hard climb, featured in the Tour of California.

    There's one section that's ridiculously steep. I have triple chainrings on my bike, 50/39/30, and a mountain bike cassette, 11-36. He's got the more traditional set up, 50/34 chainrings and a closer ratio road cassette, 11-28? We got to the steep section and he stood, no choice. I flicked it into the 30 tooth chainring and stayed seated. About 3/4s of the way up, he blew, and put a foot down. I continued on. I got out of sight from him and stopped and waited for him.

    People are derided for using a triple crank but there's a real world scenario where it was superior.

    On my 3 x 10 set up, the high gear is 118 gear inches, low gear 21 gi. On his 2 x 10 setup, the high gear is 118 gi, low gear 31 gi.

    The new SRAM GX derailleurs have arrived. I will have 50/34 chainrings and a 11-42 11 speed cassette. My high gear will be 121 gi, low gear 21 gi, 700 x 35 tires add 3 gi. Pretty neat, same range as the 3 x 10 setup but with only two chainrings.

    PS What goes up must come down. He lagged far behind with his rim brakes.
     
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