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  1. Donald Devall

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    The idea of clipping in to a MTB scares the snot out of me. Pretty sure I’d literally die in my next crash if I was clipped to the bike. :eek:
     
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    A good set of insoles can make a HUGE difference!
     
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    36 degrees in the dark describes my 20 minute commute this morning. 36 is about as cold as it gets in SoCal. When I saw the forecast I was tempted to drive, nah I rode.

    I have discovered lately that if I roll back the brim of the hood of my jacket that I can ride with it. It keeps me warmer and more comfortable than a beanie. I have a big head and beanies always slide up, exposing my ears.

    There's a guy who also commutes regularly whom I've never seen wearing anything but a t-shirt. He must be from the east, or, cold and stupid.

    Those of you in the east are probably thinking 36 isn't cold but if you moved to SoCal, after a year you'd think it was cold. Lots of people here from the east and they turn to wimps.
     
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    Once you make the leap of faith you will see that it's no big deal. The advantage is that you cycle so much more efficiently. And, with a good pair of stiff shoes, so much more comfortably.
     
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    GeoKrpan what do you need to convert your axles to threaded axle? I have been been bending my qr on my dirt jumper front wheel, and I am going to wait to replace the fork and front hub, in the meantime i figured if I could convert it to a threaded axle it would add a little bit of strength.

    Is it as simple as measuring the diameter and then ordering the proper rod and nuts?
    I found a few solid axles here
    https://bicyclepartsdirect.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=solid+axle
     
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    10 mm diameter, 1 mm threading, 35-40 mm longer than hub spacing.

    Your wheel has to have a loose ball bearing hub.

    It doesn't have to be a solid axle, a hollow axle will work as long as it's long enough.

    Cut down a longer than needed axle if you can't find the length you want.

    You might have an old rear wheel with a hollow axle, would work.

    MTBs generally have 10mm axles front and rear. Road bikes may have a 9mm front axle but rear road hubs are 10mm.

    You will need metric wheel nuts, 1 mm threading.

    A nutted axle is much stronger than a QR, probably as good as a thru-axle.
     
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    I'm a great divide rider and have done a lot bike packing. There is lots of places to camp, churches, forestry stations, public lands, warmshowers.com
    I ride a salsa fargo with revelate bags and no racks. It's fun as can be. I can switch between skiing tires and fat tires.
     
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    I’ve been practicing! I’m still pretty miserably terrible at mountain bike stuff but hey. For someone my size that was never into bikes as a kid, any bit of progress is great!!

    Figured out how to hop my back wheel over a little.

    And I’m working on drops. Muscling my front wheel up is no big deal, but learning to do that AND THEN unweight the rear is killing me. Also If anyone cares to frame by frame this Video, you’ll see that I’m pretty sure my frame is going to snap in half at some point lol. Oh well. I’m losing weight and having fun so it is what it is. :D


    Criticism welcome.
     
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    After masuring it with a caliper it seems to have a 9mm axle. It does have loose ball bearings so I'll find a 9mm axle somwhere and convert it.
     
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    When I learned how to do drops I was over thinking it, and when I try to teach people today on what to do I tell them as they approach the lip to try to get their but above or behind the rear axle, that way when you land your not landing heavy on your front wheel. Most people over think pulling up on their handlebars, and shifting their bodyweight. Ill type up a better response tomorrow on this, but heres a few quick video on drop I have had over the year.This drop has a really bad run up, kinda a tricky one, very low speed. The landing is also pretty close so you dont want to over shoot it.

     
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    Just realized you were probably talking about going back up obstacles.
     
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    I'm very surprised it's 9mm. Borrow a wheel nut from a BMX kid and see if you can screw it on your wheel.

    Caution. There are two types of threading, 26 tpi and metric. Metric is 25.4 tpi, very close to 26 tpi. 26 tpi will thread on a metric axle but, DON'T do it. Many BMX bike use 26 tpi. Department store bikes might also use 26 tpi. But, better quality bikes are usually metric.
     
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    You're already looking pretty good. I mountain bike but I'm only average at it. I'm a roadie on a mountain bike.
     
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    Maybe the nut from my surly track hub ?
     
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    I saw some vids on YewTewb of people snapping their frames from doing jumps and drops. It was pretty damn funny. Even high falutin brands snap.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=snapped+frames
     
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    Give it a try, why not?

    The rear hub of your track bike is almost surely 10 mm. So, you can try both.

    My carbon gravel bike has a 9 mm front axle. I ordered solid axles and nuts for it. The only length I could find is 151 mm so I'll have to cut it down. I haven't converted it yet because I'm getting no disc brake rub, an indication that the bike is well made.

    I have noticed the selection of axles is dwindling. Sign of the times.
     
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    Somebody just came into Coffee Bean and congratulated me for riding my bike in the cold. They also said it's 33 degrees, and that today it's colder here than in Chicago and New York. I told them if you give up doing tough things, you give up being tough. And, that I rode because I didn't want to be a car pussy.
     
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    I had a bmx frame snap on me a few years ago on a small jump at the skate park. It was a specialized bmx bike, definitely didn't see that one coming. They replaced the frame and said it had a defect in the weld by the head tube.

    As for the 10mm axle nut on the surly hub, too big. Definitely a 9mm axle on this alex brand hub. Its a pretty old wheel, probably from 2007 or so. I have a new dirt jump frame on the way, so I will probably build up a proper thru axle front wheel this spring.
     
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    9x1 solid axles and nuts are easy enough to find.

    Wholesale at QBP, retail on Ebay or direct from Wheels Mfg.

    Maybe worth the experiment at wholesale, at retail more than I'd care to sink into such an old wheel that's seen that kind of use... ;-)

    Thread on a nut or cone, cut axle, thread off to clean end.
     
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    My first 29er, 2007 steel KHS Tucson, snapped, downtube at headtube. KHS cheerfully replaced it in a week.

    If you're using a QR hub you must not have a thru-axle fork. You'll have to buy a new fork too. I think you'll find that the nutted axle will work great.

    Some BMX bikes have 14 mm axles. That's because the kids are so unmerciful on their bikes.
     
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    Yeah i have a fox 32 with with a qr at the moment, but I want to replace it eventually with something stiffer, probably either a manitou circus expert with a 20mm thru axle, a older straight steerer fox 36, or a rockshox argyle. In the meantime, im going to buy a 9mm solid axle and try that.
     
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    The nutted axle will end the bent QR issue and will also make the fork feel stiffer, it ties the ends of fork together so much better, gives it more structural integrity. You may find that it is good enough for the amount of dirt jumping that you do.
     
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    I hope so, it would be alot cheaper in the end to just do the nutted axle then a wheel build to a new hub and new fork.

    Frame made it from israel to NY in 5 days, thats amazing. I dont even get packages from PA in 5 days, let alone from across the ocean.

    New frame is a 2011 Specialized P.1. Lowering the fork to 80mm from 100mm to fix the geo next week.

    I ordered this axle and some wheels manufacturing nuts
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...title_huc_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2HFCV3FY28WSA

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    Is it just me or is that a Trials Bike with a Suspension Fork?
     
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    Similar, but different geometry. A dirt jump bike jumps well, and can do trials moves, but a trials bike jumps poorly, especially on jumps with steep lips. I tried to ride a inspired hex at rays indoor bike park and didn't have fun trying to jump it. I have also messed around with a echo comp trials bike quite a bit.
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    My old dirt jump frame was a giant STP, which is the frame Jeff Lenosky did trials shows on. STP stands for street, trail,park.
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    Yep, that's the right axle. Back in the day, more lengths were offered. You got the nuts too?
     
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    Yep, got the nuts also.
     
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    Went on a ride today, some patches of ice here and there. There was a motorcycle drag race out on the ice so I figured I’d ride out and see them. Surprisingly didn’t fall and had a decent amount of traction.
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    I only got to ride on Saturday, rain on Sunday. Last weekend was a total loss, rain both days. It doesn't snow here except for a freak but it's been cold enough this winter that you have to watch for puddles which may be frozen.

    I rode Saturday but I can't say it was good, cold and windy, but it was better than nothing. I didn't ride long.

    I'm on my way home, waiting at a signal before a freeway overpass, when a guy pulls up beside me. Rather than stop beside me and say hello, he passes me and stops ahead of me, called shoaling. Right away I know that the race is on. He turns around and talks to me, sizing up the competition, I've been through this one act play a billion times.

    I'm on my "heavy" steel gravel bike with skinny road tires, goofy upside down beach cruiser bar, jeans, backpack, and "Fred yellow" jacket. All I needed to complete the geek ensemble was a helmet mirror. Well, maybe I could use some obnoxious uber bright blinky lights in broad daylight. He was on an expensive carbon bike, no discs, aero bar. He is not aware that aero bars on a road bike are like so 1990, an out of touch old fart, like me. I'd seen him many times before, usually hustling by me on the bike path while I'm commuting, not risking the time saying hello and/or not worthy of one. My thoughts were, I'd like to encounter him on my road bike.

    I knew I'd have to clip in quickly once the light turned green. That's how it is in Fred races. I'm using road pedals which are so much harder to clip in so there was some anxiety.

    The light turns green and sure enough, as predicted, the guy sprints ahead, out of the saddle. I do the same, but in the drops rather than on the hoods as he's doing, I have no hoods anyway. I calmly catch up and pass him, as predicted. The vibe from him, oh shit. We're on a bike path now. It crosses a freeway on ramp, I'm in front and politely warn him that cars are coming. I stop and he shoals me again, typical Fred race tactic. He sprints again, now on the steepest part of the ramp. I reel him in and go by. This time he's completely gassed. After a bit I look back, I'm completely out of sight. I slow to a cruise and approach the signal where I turn to go home. He's left the bike path and is now on the shoulder among heavy traffic, endangering himself in the bleak hope that it will be faster and that he will catch me. He gets to the light, it's red, and he blatantly runs it in heavy traffic. I've no doubt that it went down as a win in his mind.
     
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    LOL. I can see the cringing mechanic when he was told to 'transfer the aero bars from his old bike'.... :D
     
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    Spent the afternoon after class rebuilding the fork on the dirt jumper. Stanctions and foam rings were in really good shape, the dust wipers however were cracked and leaking oil.
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    All done, threw on a shadow conspiracy bmx seatpost.
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    Solid axle is in
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    Fellow cyclist here; I don't even have a driver's license. Not even a learner's permit lol. ....What? I grew up in the arctic; who needs a car? XD I only ever traveled via snowmachine, four-wheeler, or dog-sled lol. Montana's been quite the culture shock for me. XD

    CRAZY drivers here by the way lol. I saw a skinny little winding paved road near a farm. The speed limit sign on it said 70 miles per hour....pretty sure anyone going 70 on that road would be dead in like, seconds lol.
     
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    After trimming he axle down I had some small sections that I planned on doing some testing with since I have access to the equipment at school to do so. Sadly, the trimmed sections are way too short for tensile/yield strength tests. Only test I was able to do in it was a Rockwell hardness test. In the Rockwell B scale it came out to 98. Matching that up to a 4140 sample on MatWeb it has a yield strength of 140,000 psi with a ultimate tensile strength of 165,000 psi. For those that arent aware, the yield strength is the value where elastic deformation stops and plastic deformation starts. Elastic deformation the material returns to its original form. Plastic deformation is when the material undergoes permanent changes.

    What this means for the new bolt on axle is its gonna be stiff, and give me no more issues. I cant think of an instance where the new axle would not perform better than the qr it replaced. Now I'm more worried about the strength of the fox 32 lower crown than the axle. Its true test will be at Rays Indoor Bike Park in 2 weeks.
     
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    Sounds like your major is engineering.

    I converted my 29+ rear wheel to a nutted axle. The hub spacing is 170 mm needing an axle of at least 205 mm. Trouble is, 187 mm is the longest ready made axle. So, I bought a 1 meter long threaded rod and made an axle. But, there's all kinds of threaded rod, made of different grades of steel. I did a bunch of research to determine what to get, 4140 chromoly which is exactly what bicycle axles use.

    That was three years ago and that axle has given me zero problems.

    Kudos to you for using your head instead of your wallet, the true spirit of bushcrafting.
     
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    Welcome brother cyclist.
     
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    I got a heart and a comment from Dustin Klein for my comment on his vid about handlebars. Dustin is kind of a cycling mad scientist, does a lot of vids on gravel riding.

     
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    Yep, mechanical engineering.
    Watched quite a few of dustins videos. Hes got a few nice bikes too!
     
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    For the past few years I've been thinking of getting a motorcycle. I live in a great area to ride and one of my best friends rides. I've owned them in the past, the last in 2006. I quit riding after I got hit by a car but I lived in the city then.

    Lately the manufacturers have been focusing on getting new riders into the sport. So, there are a lot of inexpensive, easy to handle bikes on the market.

    This is a Honda CB300R, 300 cc fuel injected single cylinder, less than 320 lbs, less than $5000. I like it, the leading candidate so far.

    With 300 cc it's not fast, but it's quick, and, will "do the ton", 100 mph. Holeshots from a signal are doable. Speed kills and can lose you your license. No fairing will keep the speed down. You can have fun at legal speeds, 50-60 mph, on surface streets. There's an old saying, it's better to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow, experienced riders agree. There is also 650 and 1000 cc versions. One experienced reviewer also rode the 650 version and found it dull, prefers the 300.

    It's not a freeway bike which is OK with me, I hate riding on the freeway. At one time I owned an 1100 cc bike and a 250 cc scooter, scooter more fun, ridden more.

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    Comes in black too. Larger version on left, 300 cc on right.

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    Looks like it would be pretty fun. I do have a 2003 yz 250 that I try to ride as much as I can. My dad has a Yamaha R6 that he stopped riding for a similar reason. Hes looking for somthing a little safer now.

    Not my picture, but same bike.
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    Too clean to be a 2003.
     
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    Yamaha XSR700. 700 cc parallel twin, 410 lbs, as low as $5999. 2 1/2 times more power than the Honda CB300R, weighs 90 lbs more, only $1000 more.

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