Building small shelters on BLM land?

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  1. Gannon Moeller

    Gannon Moeller Tinder Gatherer

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    I’m from Nebraska and I want to get into bushcraft a little bit. I wanted to build a very small cabin type shelter. I have a way to get materials and everything my only problem is trying to find a place to build. Is it legal to build on public land? It would be maybe the size of a small SUV if not smaller.
     
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    Not even close on blm
     
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    First, Welcome to the forum!

    I don't have a strict, by the rules answer for you. I couldn't find one with a quick search so my answer is more based on my (lack of) common sense. No you can't legally build a structure on BLM land. No squatters rights on BLM land. Can you illegally build...sure but, be prepared for it to be torn down or in use by someone else the next time you visit. I've seen lots of temporary lean to and debris shelters out here on BLM land. Seems most folks just leave those be. Not sure what you'd get with a small cabin.

    good luck,
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    "Not sure what you'd get with a small cabin."

    I suspect arrested if they can backtrack to the builder.

    As there are no nationwide regulations on what can be done on BLM land, you should check with your state before taking a trip. Dispersed camping, the technical term for camping outside of a campground or designated area on public lands, is allowed without a permit on most BLM land for up to 14 days.

    The Man wants his $$$$

    See https://www.blm.gov/programs/lands-and-realty/leases-and-permits for the rules that apply.
     
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    Around here in the national forests, you would return to find it tore down. A small lean-to, out or natural material is the most I would try
     
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    Nope, don’t do it.

    JohnP
     
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    You might be able to get away with it in the middle of Slab City, at least some people seem to be able to do it there. But all the good spots are taken from what I understand.
     
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    Yep. This.

    Welcome to the forum @Gannon Moeller . I hope you enjoy your time here and learn as much as you can!
     
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    Couple of guys have managed a while underground...
     
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    Thankfully, no.
     
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    No...public land is not designated for this. IF you did this on ANY public land you would need a permit with a pretty good explanation of what you wanted to do, a public hearing then posting a bond, then getting the permits to build a road,trail,etc. Not to mention the cost of the permits and a lawyer to help you with all of this.
     
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    leave only footprints.
     
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    Best just pick a piece of sidewalk outside a Starbucks. That seems to be acceptable.
     
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    A quick search shows no BLM land in Nebraska. Is there some?
     
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    Go find someone with private land or get together a few close friends/family and spend a few bucks a year on a land or hunting lease. Problem solved.
     
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    Or maybe "The Man", and the rest of us don't want wildlands looking like this?
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    You've gotten the right answers here. I don't know of any BLM in Nebraska, but there may very well be some and it will be illegal to build on it. There is National Grasslands in Nebraska, they are administered by the Forest Service, and they are illegal to build on too. There is one small National Forest in Nebraska, it was created during the CCC camp days, by crews planting seeds from the Black Hills. Nebraska, compared to other western states has little public land, so what they do have is very precious to Nebraskans, so I wouldn't want to go into a Nebraska court for trying to squat on some of it.
     
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    The 'wild lands' have no easy access to drugs, booze, welfare support 'services', soup kitchens and all that go along with the support system. Sadly, someone profits from this misery. or it would soon fade away....

    These scenes exist for a reason.

    As for the BLM lands -

    https://www.blm.gov/programs/public...ials-management/solid-waste-and-illegal-dumps

    https://www.blm.gov/press-release/blm-seeks-information-human-waste-dumping

    https://www.ktnv.com/news/contact-1...h-taking-over-public-lands-in-southern-nevada
    dumping is a real problem...

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    squatters make a real mess
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    nothing against the OP - but what he described is classic squatting. An activity that rarely ends well for the environment.

    FWIW - the area around Las Vegas, at least while I lived there, resembled on open dump more than pristine desert.... I suspect it hasn't gotten any better over the years.
     
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    This one doesn't need a long answer.

    No.

    I've thought about building a small primitive shelter or cabin before. I'd love to do so. I'd have to buy the land to put it on first, though. Just sleep under a tarp or in a tent. You aren't missing out on the experience of being in the woods by carrying your shelter in and out with you.
     
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    Go to a real estate broker who deals with rural properties. Even within BLM lands there are small tracts of privately owned land, the owners of which refused to sell out to the government. Most of these are not able to have public utilities connected. Some of these can be bought for very little money because of this fact.

    Another route to consider is to go to the county clerk's office in the area you desire and see if land is available by paying back or unpaid taxes. These properties can be really cheap but are sometimes rare.

    You need to look around and ask folks who might know. You may be able to find a land owner who would simply allow you to inhabit a remote piece of property for a small stipend or for free.

    I hope I've given you something of an idea on different sources.

    Steve
     
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    May be able to open a mining claim... but a cabin would still be owned by blm.
     
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    Bushcrafting doesn't require a permanent shelter. A tarp, lean to or tent will do fine and you're not restricted to one spot.
     
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    Most vacant land you see in NE is usually CRP. Someone owns it and will eventually plant it.
    I do believe there are some old 1 acre Peacekeeper missile sites that are decommissioned and are for sale, fairly cheap...

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    Actually I think the original poster may have changed his mind. He was only active for one day and only posted twice. :)
     
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    It's possible to buy or lease a mining claim on BLM and put a temporary structure on it, like a shed or park an RV. Nothing ever permanent though.
     
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    Nothing magic in the 1872 Mining Act to get around other laws. Any structures on the claim must be in furtherance of working the claim. I have seen cabins and residential structures on claims, but they were in fact working claims, the BLM and the Forest Service have geologist on staff to evaluate those claims. I know of several pretense claims where cabins were built. They were also blown up when the snow was heavy enough to mitigate any fire danger. One popular dodge was for a "mill site" those are 5 acre claims to situate a mill to process the ore. Folks were trying to patent (gain ownership) of mill sites, but to have a mill site you need to have some producing mines and ore to process. I visited one many years ago and they had a half dozen 5 gallon buckets of ore sitting in the living room of a house. The house was removed.
     
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    Hey that looks like seattle!! No need to find a campground just pick a spot anywhere
     
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    Maybe not “build”, but “erecting” a tent may be acceptable,,, just take it with you when you leave...
     
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