Challenge & GAW: One stick fire with green wood round 2

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  1. Mountain Mel

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    Challenge:


    Start and build a fire using green wood that can boil a cup of water.
    Here's a link to the original challenge with lots of good tips/tricks and lessons learned to help you.
    https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/challenge-give-away-one-stick-fire-with-green-wood.179331/

    Conditions/rules:
    1) Wood must be live/green. A pic is required to show green leaves on the wood.
    2) It's a "one stick" fire but the stick can be as long as needed. It's "one stick" only in spirit. With green wood you may actually need to use 3 or 4 "sticks" to boil water. This part is not a hardcore rule but the less green wood you need to use the more in line with the spirit of the challenge.
    3) You must use only your knife(it can be a pocket folder, a belt knife of various lengths, a machete, hatchet, hawk, axe etc.) to harvest the stick, do the wood prep, start the fire with a ferro rod. Same edged tool from start to finish.
    4) You must show a cup of water brought to the boil. It doesn’t need to be a rolling boil.
    5) You have until Monday July 8th to post your attempt
    6) Winners pay for shipping.

    Everyone who accomplishes this will be entered into a random drawing for one of 5 items. The first 3 persons drawn will get to pick one of the 5 items. Then we’ll randomly draw 2 persons who made an honorable attempt but didn’t complete the challenge for the last 2 remaining items.

    Bonus twist:


    Time yourself from start to finish. The moment you start to cut your live green wood the time starts and it ends when you bring your water to a boil. Of the three winners randomly selected the one with the fastest time gets first pick of the items.

    Here's the 5 items:

    Council Tool Velvicut hatchet
    http://counciltool.com/shop/velvicut/velvicut-2-premium-hudson-bay-bush-craftcamp-axe-with-sheath/

    Hults Bruk Kalix Felling Axe 28"
    http://hultsbruk1697.se/products/kalix/

    Becker BK-14 with TKC G10 black scales and kydex sheath
    https://www.kabar.com/products/product.jsp?item=BK14
    https://www.theknifeconnection.net/becker-bk14-and-bk24-custom-handle-kit-black-g10/

    Condor mini Duku with leather sheath
    https://www.knifecenter.com/item/CN...n-steel-blade-hardwood-handles-leather-sheath

    Firebox nano Gen2 stainless steel with x-case
    https://www.fireboxstove.com/3-inch-folding-firebox-nano

    All of these items are new but due to a lack of time just never made it into my rotation for trips to the woods. Sorry for the poor pics, they don't do the items justice.
     

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    If you have any questions or suggestions let me know.

    All 5 items are nice but I think the best of the lot is that Council Tool hatchet. The Hults Bruk axe is basically the size of an American boys axe. It's a lot punch but still small and light enough to be packable. The Becker is a fantastic neck knife, small enough to pocket carry for EDC but still has a 'real' handle
     
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    Very awesome...I may have to compete :33:
     
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    Ooo, this looks fun! I'll probably need a few practice runs, and I'll still most likely only be eligible for "almost got it." :D
     
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    Haha, I did a practice run yesterday with my son. He was a definite fail,but it's worth trying before timing it.
     
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    I'm in. Now to decide what blade to use...

    Duh, I know what blade I'll use... I just finished up wrapping the handle on this one yesterday. It did a wicked job of cutting a bunch pear shoots destined to be tomato stakes.

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    I’m in on this. Might be able to cut the branch today. It was a fun challenge last time.
     
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    I think I'm gonna try to make an attempt
     
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    Just gonna throw these photos in. I've made practice runs with three different trees. Maple was a fail twice. I found a really fibrous tree all along the dam of the pond. May have to make a good go with this wood if I can't find a better one. I'm gonna do some searching to see if I can't identify it, and I'm going to try it again with some changes. Until then it's back to work. DSC_0001.JPG

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    Oh boy, what a great idea and generous lot for the GAW. Gonna have to give it a go. Think I'll try it with the Junglas. Do I have to strike the Ferro Rod with the knife, or can I use my scraper? May change my knife choice....
     
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    Omg....there is a timer now? Talk about pressure. I dont even know if I can do it much less quickly. ;) I have to harvest then bring it back to the house.

    Any mention of water volume? Literally "1 cup"?

    I have thrown plenty of green wood on a fire but never tried to start one with it. This should be fun.
     
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    Great idea, gonna try to find the time for this.

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    I’m sure the scraper is fine to use.

    Yes. 1 cup = 8 ounces
     
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    no worries on the scraper
     
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    don't stress on the timer thing. that's just a twist to determine who gets to pick first. You can still win even if you take longer then everyone else so no worries
     
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    I hope you do. I've really appreciated your contributions to BCUSA
     
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    I bet you can do it. I'm sure the gang will help with suggestions and tips.
     
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    nice 3 in 1 blade! that should be great for this challenge. What's the model?
     
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    boy you don't waste any time! I'm desperately trying to resist the urge to buy one of those Skrama blades. They look like a lot of fun to use.
    post a pic of that tree and maybe someone here can ID it for you
     
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    Hahaha, I resisted. My wife bought this for my 34th birthday. It has been fun playing with it, and it is more comfortable than my junglas. The spine comes very sharp where it needs to be, and it had a good working edge. I tuned it up after the 3 practice runs.

    The key is curls, curls, and more curls. Whenever you think there are enough fine curls, go make some more. It helps to have a nice pile of tinder scrapings too or the Ferro Rod won't light it. Next is figuring out how to suspend the cup over the fire.

    I believe last year I was at around 40-45minutes to completion and I was working my butt off to keep the fire lit. With this mystery wood I got it to boil at 55 minutes, and had just enough curls. The pile was probably 10" high and a foot across.
     
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    Wish I could try this but anything that has anything to do with fire around here might get me a big fat fine:mad:
    Hopefully I’ll be in a area I can try this on one of my many trips to come before the end date. Good luck everyone!!
     
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    Would green fatwood be accepted? Yes, such a thing exists, though only in secret locations, guarded by the Fatwoodite Ninja Brethren. Few see it, and only I have lived to tell about it. Also, if you only cut one branch for the project, yet cut it into pieces, would it still be counted as one stick? Finally, what's a Ferro Rod? And will I be banished from BCUSA for not knowing what one is?
     
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    you show me a pic of live, green fatwood with leaves or green needles still on it then your good to go but that doesn't mean the mob around here won't still try and banish you :)
    Ferro=Ferrocerium rod
    see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrocerium
     
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    see rule #2 on the whole 'one stick' thing
     
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    It’s a 12” Ontario Sawback machete that I cut off the end for digging and then filed in the quarter round and secondary edge. I rehandled it as well.
     
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    I'm rather familiar with fatwood ;), please show an example of "green" fatwood please...:33:
     
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    Well dang son... was going to use a svord whittler knife or mora spoonknife just for kicks but if I have to worry about time I guess I better grab a chopper :18:
     
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    Awesome contest and GAW. Looking forward to the entries.

    Question though (your contest, your rules, I'm just confused) - is the italicized part above accurate? Or did you mean the less seasoned wood you need the more in line with the spirit of the challenge?
     
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    no seasoned or dried wood. only wood from the same live green tree.

    the 'one stick' thing is a riff off one of the Bush class assignments where you build 5 one stick fires using different species of wood but of course using dead/dry wood. Here's the link.
    https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/a-build-5-one-stick-fires.90582/

    But for this challenge it's live, green wood only and all from the same tree/branch. But because the wood is wet you need to use more of it to generate enough heat to boil water.
     
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    Ah, I re-read a few times. I get it now. Thanks!
     
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    "not in"

    but its fun soo....i went to play in the backyard.

    since im not "in" ive twisted the rules to attempt a greenwood bowdrill... no success this time, but ive got a few ideas for next time.
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    well, it almost worked. im happy i found a way to make the bearing block end of the spindle blunter. it still slips well with pitch, but doesnt shorten as fast...also, i tried to light the dust with a lighter and was surprised that the ember had a hard time catching and spreading. so obviously, the dust did soak back moisture. ill have to find a way around that. not putting greenwood as a coal catcher is obvious first step. so in the end, i lit my tinder bundle with a lighter. just happy sitting in the grass smelling woodsmoke. ive been inside a lot lately finishing those hand embroidered 1730 shoes for my love...:p
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    Nice effort and I dig those shoes.
     
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    Aannnnd fail! I got scrapings lit 2 or 3 times last night and they got going pretty hot, but they burned out before the shavings could light. Need more scrapings and more and finer feathers!
     
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    Been putting a lot of thought into this challenge. Knew I was going to use Ash as I have a decent amount of experience cutting and burning it green. Used the time stamps from pictures for the time. 50 minutes from first cut to a rolling boil of roughly 14 oz of water.

    Prep is definitely key with this challenge. I got it broken down as fast as possible and all shavings were laid and spread out while I finished my prep so they could dry a bit. Also I kept the cup of water close to the fire immediately upon first spark.
    After the fire was established I widened the bad as much as possible and then stacked around the cup. Burnt the rubber off the cup but it was worth it!! Here are the pictures and a short video : )
    Video is just the end when the boil happens/starts. Don't mind my coughs, getting over an upper respiratory infection and the smoke didn't help lol



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    About 3/4 of the prep/curls
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    Caught some inner bark after 15-20 scrapes!
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    After that it was ON!!
    Kept cup and 14 ounces of water close to the fire as possible from the very start. Built my fire wider, placed cup on fire then built around it. Burnt the rubber off the cup in the process lol

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    Had some helpers
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    Rolling boil @50 minutes
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    Thanks for the opportunity!!!!

    Bonus footage

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    This challenge has me bit. I'm contemplating about every tree species I have around, besides Cedar, that might work well. I peeled the bark of a small fresh cut Hackberry to see what I could use and I could practically drink of the stick it was so wet. That's not going to work. Going to look at Willow tomorrow, then maybe Oak and possibly Apple.
     
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    Oh yeah! Got me thinking about it a lot, with little time to do it.... over and over again. Hehe but I want to try it with every tree species, maybe not all. I do wonder how the skin of the Locust thorns, or spikes more like, would make for tinder. I can find 3 to 4 inch brown spikes on 2-3 inch green branches.
     
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    Absolutely it is!! But it's a fun one :D
     
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    I've been lazy, working full time as a scrapper in 90-100 degree, bare, solid rock terrain, so I haven't had the time to reply to this post. Anyway, there is a row of mysterious, heavily guarded pines along my driveway, dating from when the P.O. tried his hand at christmas tree farming, who's branches are raw fatwood. I've been to apathetic to find out exactly what they are, but I'll start checking now.
    edit: Thanks to google-fu, I believe they are shortleaf pine. I'll get pics soon. Maybe around the same time I enter the contest....
    P.S. Where can one get a ferrocium rod that doesn't require shipping? Would a hardware store have them?
     
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    5col.com has free shipping :) Quick too!
     
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    Given time, all species will work. After the original challenge I tried it with some will on my lunch break at work and got one going... it took nearly 2 hours though lol.
     
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    I tried Willow last night and gave up on getting a good ember after an hour, and before I lost all fishing light. Found some wild Grapes too.

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    I found a kit on clearence for $3 at Tractor Supply that had a ferro rod in it.
     
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    This was fun. Since I haven't done this before, I wanted to set myself up for success as much as I could. Of course, it did not go as planned but overall I feel it went very well. I was able to get rolling boil with one stick. Granted I used a big "stick" (aka log), used wood that I thought would work well, and a big knife. For time, from first cut to rolling boil, I was 1:30. I didn't set any records but it took 15 minutes to walk back to my fire pit from where I harvested my wood; over prepped in my opinion; kept stopping, pulled my glove off, took my phone out, too a picture, put my phone away, put my glove back on; and I was anxious to try this challenge and started at sunset so I did the majority of this in the dark. If I tried again, I am sure I could do it under an hour and probably 50 minutes or less.

    Admittedly, this was harder than I thought. Sure, once the fire caught and the outer wood was drying, it was easier to keep going. However, it was challenging to strike a fero rod with a big knife (I usually pump the knife but was pulling the rod (get your minds out of the gutter) because my nest was surround by rock and didn't want to ding the knife), it was harder to keep it going (should have made more finer feathers), and I should have made a pot hook/hanging system. I set up too flat rocks to set my pot on and I thought I could build a small fire between such...wrong - once it got going, I just had to make it big as possible so I didn't have to worry about it going out.

    Now the star of the show was the knife! It felt like I brought a gun to knife fight...almost felt like I was cheating. I was super blessed to score a SET Nakai from @Sargent. Man, this blade is a high performance Ferrari. I brought down an approximate 5-6" stick (aka log) in less than three minutes. After harvesting my stick, I stripped the bark off immediately so it can begin drying. Once I got back to the pit, the Nakai made short work splitting the wood - after battening a few times, it was almost easier stabbing the wood, then twisting the wood sideways. Large feathers were quickly made by stabbing the knife into to log (actually hitting it with the baton...not good for scales) and pulling the sticks. Sharp 90* spine made ignitable wood fuzz scrapings and big sparks with the fero.

    The Nakai has a zero convex is a very acute angle while remaining very strong. As Doug Marcaida would say, "it will cut" (it will also slice, split, chop, scrape, stab, baton, cross baton, and shave). It is NOT a small knife, but still feels light and fast...It is bizarre. I had to weigh it because it felt lighter than my Solutrean (it wasn't....it was 2.5oz heavier). I think it has to do with the slightly thinner handle and the balance point at the ricasso (which is large enough where you can choke up for fine work but it is not a choil which I am not a fan of). I just got the Nakai but so far, it handles and performs as good as it looks. After all woodwork, it still shaved hair easily.

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    Nice work Chris, you took a year off that ferro rod. I use the same ti cup.
     
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    Lol...it was hard to start. The wood was wet. ;) would have been easier planting the rod next to bundle and pumping knife. Learned alot. I will do better next time.
     
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    Takes me that many strikes even with gasoline.
     
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    Funny thing is two nights ago I used a bic lighter to process some bees wax and had a tough time with initial ignition....took too much for granted/too little prep because I was using and actual flame.

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    I got off work early today and had a couple of hours to blow before I had to pick my son from daycare. I decided to attempt this challenge with that time.

    I didn't time myself with a stopwatch...I just wanted to see if I could pull it off. Temps were in the low 70's with about 80% humidity and a threat of a thunder storm on the horizon. That and picking my kid up was my time crunch.

    I walked across the street and found my victim. I'm not divulging what kind of tree it is yest, because I figured it would work well. If you can tell what it is by looking it..more power to ya! It works well!

    A couple blows from the Camillus Carnivore XZ chopped it down...

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    I left the hordes of mosquitoes behind favor of doing the fire prep back across the road in my yard, where I only had to worry about several hundred mosquitoes and some deer flies.

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    My green tree above.

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    Process time.

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    That bark peels easy, which is one reason why I choose this species.

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    Tha sap oxidizes to an orange color and stains your hands.

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    Making fine shavings with the primary edge and those saw teeth.

    Materials laid out below...

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    I was glad the sun peeked out....I it gave a few minutes to help dry out my scaped fuzz.
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    The ferro rod ignited the fuzz a lot easier than I thought it would...

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    Continued....
     
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