Challenge & GAW: One stick fire with green wood round 2

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  1. Primordial

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    Most of the fuzz slowly caught flame but I hastily stacked too much kindling on it and it went out. Back to making more fuzz...

    I had a small fire going under this pile below, but it too went out...I was hoping to help dry the above wood as it burnt, but I think I suffocated it....I made more fuzz and tried again.

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    This time I gingerly fed little shavings into the fire and much like a helpless baby I nursed it into being.

    I'd guess I spent the next 45 minutes slowly adding small slivers of wood, and alternated by blowing more oxygen into the flames to sustain the coals and dry the larger pieces of wood out somewhat....plus film myself doing it lol.

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    If I didn't keep babying the fire it would just go out. It need to be non stop tended.

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    Starting to simmer!

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    Boil achieved on my first attempt! I was stoked and celebrated with a victory beverage.

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    Some folks might scoff at cheap big box store "junk" like this, but I don't. I think there are many great budget options that a guy can use for bushcraft or survival without breaking the bank. It's a tool. Use it and make it work.

    This was a fun challenge and it sure took me a while to make it happen. I'd say I spent about 2 hours trying to pull this off.

    Video of the boil in action:

    Thanks for the fun challenge. I learned a lot!
     
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    Nicely done @Primordial !
    You bring up a good tip about the feathers and shavings. Make WAY more than you think you'll need...
     
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    eh, not really... the real secret is ... oh wait this is a competition I'll wait till it's over :18:
     
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    Had a try today with a Chinese tallow/popcorn tree. Figured I might as well take down an invasive species. Got the tree hacked down and then it started to rain, so I finished my prep on the porch. I was able to burn my shavings after gnawing down the ferro rod, but the shavings never burned hot enough to catch the feathers. It seemed that blowing slightly damp wood just blew it out. The 88 percent humidity probably didn't let the prep evaporate away much water either. I'll try again when it is sunny, windy, and less humid. IMG_20190618_150002638.jpg IMG_20190618_150241789.jpg IMG_20190618_161812980.jpg IMG_20190618_163622352_HDR.jpg
     
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    Attempt number one:

    The knife and fero rod.
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    The tree is an ash I trimmed two of these branches.
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    I laid out my poncho to catch the shavings and got to work. I feel like I should say it almost 100 degrees here this morning with a slight breeze and almost no humidity so the weather was in my favor. I let my shavings fall spread out on the ponch hoping they would air dry some.
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    Next I made some fine scrappings for tinder. The spine wasn’t sharp enough but the edge worked well.
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    Making my container.
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    I got it going it took several strikes. I started with just the tinder and slowly added some feathers.
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    Close but no cigar. I had bubbles forming on the inside of the container when I ran out of fuel.
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    I plan to try again. I’ll make twice as much of everything next time. This was a good learning experience and time well spent.

    Thanks for looking.
     
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    You were close! If you got that far, you will pull it off!
     
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    Thanks! I definitely want a rematch.
     
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    I made it!! I didn't think I would, and I was down to my last scraps of wood, but I got a boil! I won't win any speed prizes - the work on this one took about 3 1/2 hours :eek: I was finally blowing coals and raising up to snap pictures, just trying to get a good boil :D I am EXHAUSTED today (did the fire yesterday) and still coughing from all the smoke I inhaled :26: After 3 1/2 hours of almost-boiling, I didn't have a whole lot of water left, but I didn't realize I didn't need a full rolling boil. I got lots of bubbles earlier than that. This technique is not something I much want to try again :D

    Here are my sticks. You said more than one is okay, right, @Mountain Mel ? One-stick, as far as only using that stick (no tinder, etc. other than shavings and feathers from that stick)? I did have some cedar sticks as a base to get off the ground (been raining constantly here) but they sure didn't help get the fire going, and any pieces among the coals and green wood later I pulled out. I batoned my Half Sun Woodsprite through these sticks, which are chunks of maple that are growing up behind our barn. Love this knife :40:

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    Here's my prep. I spent the whole time cutting more feathers :D

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    It took a long time to get anything halfway established.


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    Got a few bubbles!


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    The last hour or two was a constant struggle to get my fire to stay lit. I had some coals by then, but I had to stay on my face on the ground blowing into them. My wood was dwindling fast. Green wood burns quicker than you'd think!


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    I'd been putting my pot on top of the wood, but it kept falling, and when the wood burned down it'd be setting on the ground. I finally moved some of my rocks to make a pot stand and made a last-ditch effort.

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    And I got a boil! It's a big pot (5-6 cups?) so it doesn't look like much water, but I started out with plans for coffee and poured in enough for that. Is this enough water to count?


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    Here's what my fire pit looked like when I got done. I'd worn one whole side to the dirt crawling around, trying to stay out of the smoke.

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    Someone help me pick what toy I’m going to play with when I do this later
     
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    I wanna see you cut a limb off with the hook knife :D
     
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    Hook knife it is then... and I'm not cutting a limb... nope... gonna be a small tree/sapling

    Breaking down the wood is gonna be a pita though and I'm already crying about using the edge for the firesteel :17::18:
     
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    :dblthumb:

    We have lots of trees growing where they shouldn't, so I use those a lot for fire prep :) It's like a ever-renewing stash of firewood, right by the house!
     
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    Start time: 11am
    end: 12:35pm
    knife: Mora spoon knife (double bevel)
    firesteel: Hemlock firesteel (just the firesteel not the paduk combo one)
    I'll let the pictures do the talking.

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    Strong work way to stick with it!
     
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    Impressive to say the least!
     
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    Yeah, I'm impressed too! Most people would have given up after 2 hours.

    I'll add, I'm a bit jealous of that super nice knife too lol.
     
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    Hahahahah Great job! I wore out some grass doing the constant low blow shuffle too. I also singed my eyelashes in the process lol.
     
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    Nice and great time!! I estimate my time would have been close to that if I wouldn't have gotten greedy and snuffed out my first fire.

    Great effort with the hook knife!
     
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    Thanks!

    I can't tell whether it was stubbornness or insanity :33:

    I may have crawled around in some poison oak too :eek:
     
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    My reserved Post updated with pictures on page one!
     
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    Smart man using ash!
     
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    Solid work folks, keep it up!
    Oh, a pocket bellows will help...;)
     
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    Planned to take mine with me, and forgot it... :D It stayed at home in my drawer fulla fire stuff!
     
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    I thought about it but decided to pass in the spirit of the challenge, because not everyone has one or can make one.
     
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    My tree of choice is the same as last year. Here is some green on the limb I took.

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    After making scrapings I made shavings using this method which I learned from NWPrimate. The scrapings in the photo were too coarse for the ferro rod to light them, so I used a small piece of kindling to make really fine shavings. Those are what actually lit afire.

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    Fire prep, yep on a Yoga mat. Humidity was 79%.

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    Really fine shavings were at the bottom, and the coarse were at the top. I scrubbed the ferro rod over the spine for around 4 minutes building up some material, then I hit it hard and it barely lit. It went out trying to photograph the start up. At this point the clock was reading 25 minutes.
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    Readjusted and it worked.
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    Got the fire going, and piled on the shavings and curls. Once it looked like it would stay lit for a bit, I put the cup on top of the pedestals. Then I spent the next 15 minutes blowing at the coals and readjusting the unburned pieces. Breathing in smoke sure is fun.

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    The rolling boil was accomplished by keeping the fire fed with oxygen. Without air the fire would just barely burn. There was no breeze so I was on my own on that front. We got it to boil though, so I am happy.
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    With a few mistakes, and some sloppy air management. I got it to boil at 57 minutes.
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    I took a second crack at this challenge, after some very generous wood selection advice from @Vanitas :dblthumb: I went out searching for ash, but of course I don't identify ash very well :rolleyes::D so I'm not sure what this tree is. All I know is, the water content was much lower in this one! All told it took me 2 hours, one of which was processing the wood down. Yeah, I'm slow... :D Part of my problem was that I didn't have a good batoning stick with me and had to beaver chew the end off my sapling to use as a baton. I almost didn't have enough wood, and once again I ended up blowing coals over and over to try and get a boil before all my wood burned up.

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    I used my Mora Kansbol for this one. This was all the wood I had, though I went back and broke off twigs from what was left.

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    My boil was a little one-sided, but it was there :D

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    Not Ash, but great job!
     
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    I figured it wasn't :D Wish I knew what it was though! I was limited on time, or I would've hunted down something I could actually identify :8:
     
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    hello,
    Hannah P-L-E-A-S-E don't show the drawer ^^^^ to my pyrotechniques cousin @bacpacjac :rolleyes: ROTFLMAO
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    hello,
    Hannah, that's naughty ^^^^ don't you dare!! I was full of good intentions this morning. Summer has arrived YAY!! I was off out at sunrise, then fell asleep in the sunshine. :8: today it is around +21C, late evening last night it was around +18C. :4: happy daze!!
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    Sunshine makes me sleepy too :D I've just started carrying my hammock with me all the time!
     
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    hello,
    Hannah, it was such a lovely morning after all the rain we've had, I found a nice spot after a long walk, brewed up & I made the most of it. :) zzz
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    hahahahaha, rename the thread story time with David and Hannah! DOOO IIIIT! :44:
     
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    I picked a good piece of pine last Friday. Had no issues prepping materials but the wind made it difficult to get the shavings to hold a spark. I finally got a fire going but felt like the wind was gusting too much to go for a boil. Hope to try again this weekend.
     
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    Pine doesn’t have leaves...
     
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    hello,
    my pyrotechniques Cousin @bacpacjac just wants to see the fire drawer. :rolleyes:
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    :rolleyes: Oh, all right - I'll take a pic of the fire drawer soon :D
     
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    Yes, please! I was too excited to ask! :D
     
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    So here's my attempt. I have to say it was a bit harder than I thought.

    I choose cherry because it seemed to have a lower moisture content than the maple or pine in my yard. The knife I choose was the Adventure Sworn Guide.

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    I broke the branch down and scrapped the heartwood which seemed drier and harder than the sapwood.

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    I had to prep a lot of scrapping and even more shavings. I used the sun to help try out the wood while processing my branch down.

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    I decided to build a log cabin style fire so I could get as much heat under and around the cup as possible. Since I knew the faster I could get the water to boil the less material I would need to burn.

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    After I got the fire going it quickly extinguished and I needed to start all over again. I prepped even more shavings than the first attempt since that's where I went wrong.

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    Cup on....

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    And boiling

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    Another failure today, this time with holly. It was another humid day which caused another pop-up rain shower earlier in the day, and I waited until 6 pm until the sun was on the way down. I think the main problem today was the humidity and the dampness of the scrapings. I wasn't able to get the scrapings to light for longer than 10 seconds. I think I have a plan and at least one more attempt left though :). Going to try Chinese privet next. IMG_20190629_174937705.jpg IMG_20190629_185044333_BURST000_COVER_TOP.jpg IMG_20190629_191312336.jpg
     
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    Step one: Take your experiment to the woods

    Step two: find a hickory sapling (preferably pignut not water).

    Step three: Profit
     
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    Keep it up!!!!
     
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    Way more scrapings and way more shavings will help you.
     
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