Cool little truck/bush gun

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  1. GreatLakesWoodsman

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    Here's a video i just found of a sweet little truck/brush gun. Thought I'd share! It's a 12g Mossberg 590 with a legal 14" barrel and brace. More readily available with birds head grip. What do you guys think? I'm thinking of picking one up.

     
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    Require a stamp?
     
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    While I’m really really interested in pistol braced things at the moment, I’m not a huge fan of a shotgun in that roll. Loud, recoil, short range, etc. I’ve just always preceded rifles.

    Now a braced .22 or 300blk or even 9/40/45 would have my attention.
     
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    How? The pistol grip alone makes it an SBS. Wouldn’t not want to have to explain to LE that it was anything other.
     
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    As I understand it, ATF approved this. However, check your state laws. Ohio, for instance, has ruled against its being legal.
     
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    Since the shockwave (and Remington tac14) use a 14” barrel there over the 26” long requirement for a sbs. Since they never had a shoulder stock attached they are technically not a shotgun. So it meets the definition of a firearm its a completely legal gray area of the atf. Since the brace is not a shoulder stock it still doesn’t meet the definition of a shotgun. It’s confusing but it’s legal. It’s kind of a screw you to the atf which is reason enough to buy one imo.
     
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    IMHO you need to watch the OAL.... There was a warning NOT to change the grip to a std pistol grip because it would be TOO SHORT! LOOKS like this might have same issue... Needs to be 26" or greater.

    CW
     
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    Looks like a Remington 870 to me. Nice set up.
     
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    Sounds like this setup is for lawyers only.
     
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    It is an 870.

    I don’t like it, but I don’t own a truck anymore. What would be suitable for a Subaru?
     
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    I despise the word ultimate. It leaves no room for improvement. Of course it's not the ultimate anything.

    Rant mode off.
     
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    UNTRUE!! The difference in measurement is functionality. THIS CAN be fired folded so its measured FOLDED. If its not 26.01 its illegal.

    Has nothing to do with the brace. The brase is immaterial. You are correct the brace in and of itself, does not make it legal or illegal.
     
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    Your use of capitals letters and exclamations has convinced me. I makes you wonder why so many various companies have been manufacturing illegal SBSs without consequence :33: .
    I’m done.
     
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    As much as I love NFA Nutkickers and loophole guns,I agree with @Cwlongshot that this might not be such a good idea.

    For it to be a “firearm” it has to have an OAL of 26 inches.

    In factory form it’s 26.37 with the weird dingus looking pistol grip.

    The setup in the vid looks shorter.
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    There sure are a lot of folks that need to shoot trucks and brush :)
     
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    I put one of those birds head grips on my 18" 500 and it was cool to look at and shot ok but I just had no practical use for such a thing.

    That configuration shotgun isn't "ultimate" at anything. Its mainly a toy so beyond that why bother!
     
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    I wanted one til i saw one side by side with a 18in barrel with a standard pistol grip. Looked about 2in shorter. Thats 2 thumb widths for me .

    Not worth the hassle and be stuck with that configuration . My 500 came with a pg. I can put whatever stock I want and not have to look over my shoulder. Classidfied as a legal shotgun in all 50states too
     
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    On a federal level it is currently legal, some states not so much. The ATF measures in the extended position to get overall length. Some states measure in the shortest fireable position but that is on a state basis not federal. Also ATF has flip flopped on if a "pistol brace" can be fired from the shoulder twice already.

    I am glad to see more options out, it's always a win for gun owners to have more options. I am not in a hurry to pick up one of these but the pistol braced Ruger Chargers have my interest.
     
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    The ATF makes laws up as they go .

    Local shop is getting the squeeze on a "other" firearm they manufacture with a folding brace.

    Atf is saying when the brace is folded its under the oal requirements .

    While I appreciate the options that are out there those are waters I dont really wanna wade in.
     
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    Boy howdy, you people over think things. Who gives a damn why it's legal?? Be happy that it is. Won't be long before all firearms are illegal.

    If it is legal and you like it, then get it! If you don't like it, nor want it, then why the hell do you care if it's legal?

    Legal or not, these hings make me wonder about applicable practical usefulness. Velocity and pattern can't be great at that length, and shooting 12ga from pistol grip even with a brace, with that short tube has to hurt... a lot. And be hard to control.
     
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    Why? Because ignorance of the law is not a solid defense when your being accused of breaking the law.
     
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    I've mulled over that question too.

    I'd really like a Shockwave 410 just cause. But If it gets boring later it would be nice to be able to put a butt stock on it for hunting.
     
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    @swissarmy67 now if you put a stock you gotta get a longer barrel. Shockwave is pretty much stuck in that configuration
     
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    Right, that's why I'd probably get the 500 Cruiser version instead.

    At this point they don't make a longer 410 barrel in the 590 configuration. (different front attachment style)
     
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    Amazed at the misinformation...

    PLEASE CHECK and determine federal firearm regulations at/with better sources than a internet forum...

    I would hate for folks here to get jammed up...

    CW
     
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