Czech M60 Pack, mods and in use.

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  1. NevadaBlue

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    I am going to try to compile a list of threads on the forum as well as ideas and videos I have stumbled onto.
    Share your M60 thoughts, mods and use here please.
     
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    This old post by @Haggis was an eye opener for me. I discovered it while searching for info on the belt support straps on the M60.

    THIS is important for me. I plan to use a belt kit, supported by the M60 straps and had planned to disconnect the belt from the straps for use by itself. THIS is much better. Just drop the pack. That is why the straps are made the way they are! It had never occurred to me that the shoulder straps on the pack are really a load bearing system. I prefer a belt kit supported by shoulder straps, now I can have one.

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    Thanks to @Spork and @Haggis for this lightbulb moment. :45:
     
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    I got this pack from @SmilinJoe and it was modified by @Luchtaine before Joe got it. I have been saving pics of M60 packs for a while and when I started putting together an album of ideas, I discovered that many of the pics I had saved are of the pack I now have!

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    This one has been waxed, has the leather straps and a beautiful leather patch.

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    This is my pack that started my interest in the M60. It is like new, linen with cloth straps. So far, my only mod is the handle.

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    Now that I have a waxed M60, I know that this one needs it for sure. I do have a 3rd pack too.
     
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    The top flap is two layers of fabric. It NEEDS to be made into a pocket. I also want to add a full width top flap, similar to a Frost River Isle Royal Jr. Pack. Like this:

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    And of course leather ‘State’ patches need to be made. And, the shoulder straps need the nice soft leather padding like that one, and and and.
     
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    Aaaaannnndddddddd............you are going to be a busy fella working on this. :)
     
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    :)

    I just remembered that I have an Italian mountain pack. I think the fabric is close enough to the M60 fabric that it can be a donor for the top flap and other mods to the M60s. :dblthumb:

    According to the writeup on Varusteleka, the Italian pack is ‘flax’... linen. Grin...

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    This thread is a good idea. I loved my little ruck until a relative mentioned her son didn't have a good bag to carry when he plays in the woods with his friend, so he got it. I may have to get another.

    I don't have pics, but I made a handle by wrapping a core of cordage and cobra-weaving hi-viz reflective orange paracord around that. Having a core makes the handle more round and comfortable to hold. I replaced the drawstring with more hi-viz reflective orange paracord and added a cord-lock so I wouldn't need to tie ca knot to keep it cinched tight. The orange handle gives it just a bit of visibility.
    The pack didn't have straps, but I made some from a 6-foot leather strap from Tractor Supply...a $12 pack with $30 worth of leather straps. They were surprisingly comfortable.
     
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    This thread is going to get my constant attention. I really have no idea why I'm so obsessed with vintage rucks, but I just am.
    So bring on the step by steps, mucho pics, mod away, my friend.
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    Good idea on the TSC leather. I was considering going to our farm supply place and looking at horse tack stuff again. Things like reins are a lot of material to work with. I have lots of leather, but you can’t have too much leather. :p And, I haven’t been to the saddle shop lately. :33:
     
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    So, mad bushcrafter at work here...

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    I dug out the Italian backpack. It is large and heavy. Nice fabric, but not well put together. That’s a good thing, since it makes it easier to take apart. They used ‘let’s get this done fast’ techniques of assembly. LARGE, LONG stitches that come out easily. Good for this project. Lots of fabric to play with.

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    The fabric is a good match for the Czech bag. So, I proceeded to remove the flap and strip all the extra pieces off of the bag.

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    This will work nicely. The only change to the Czech bag will be sewing this big flap on. It will go under the original flap, which will stay on and become a pocket, and be sewn to the big flap.

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    The color in the pics is changing pic by pic, but the match is good. This is the inside view. I stuffed the bag full of towels to hold it in shape while working on it. The big flap will be sewn across the top of the Czech bag by hand.

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    That’s a top view of the flap. Won’t be a difficult mod at all. I think I will use a leather strap and new buckle for it. Will also probably remove the name tag pocket and put a leather Wander patch in that spot.
     
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    This is the flap off of the Italian pack. I will be making a pattern off of this one for future use. It really does look like a perfect, simple mod for the M60. It is one piece, with folds forming the curved, convex (from the outside) flap shape.

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    That’s inside the flap.

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    That’s the outside, showing how it holds it’s shape. When waxed, this flap and the pack should be great.

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    And, the outside. I pushed the ‘curve’ in the opposite direction that it normally lays to show how it works.
     
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    I made the pattern for the top flap. I decided to open up the fold on one side to get an accurate pattern. It is good I did. It is actually cut, not just folded. Details follow.

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    Notes:
    I added the seam allowance for the curved part of the flap. It is doubled over and stitched.
    The closeups of the dart show how it gets folded and double stitched.
    The straight part at the top is full size of the original. No seam allowance. I will probably turn the original edge and sew it on.
     
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    I can't believe you are planning on sewing on a Wander patch when you know your ol' pal is really in need of one. LOL
     
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    My thoughts on the m60 are they are really nice. Bought 2 and neither one was useable,they both were covered in rust that I couldn't even dye. Love surplus,but have bad luck buying,even from reliable sources.
     
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    You never know where or when... :14:

    I bought 3, from a surplus store and all three were unused or close to it. I gave one away, and have two of those left.
     
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    @NevadaBlue This thread is exactly what I was needing. Been trying to figure out how to rig up the straps since you sent one to me. :dblthumb:
     
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    I do like the leather ones. I had considered making a set and after seeing them, I know it wouldn’t be too difficult.
    I could make patterns for those too if you want. :)
     
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    I can see you guys patterning these packs and duplicating them using canvas duct tarps or leather for material for example. Then selling them to us here as a good little business where everyone would be happy...

    Frost River link led me to two Christmas gifts for my sons ...thanks!
     
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    Nick at Military Uniforms, I think is the name of it, has or had new ones with new straps.
     
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    Oh yeah, this is going to be a great thread. It might become a sticky. I'm doing some leather straps to attach my bedroll to the bottom of my heavy canvass one. Hope I can find a dye to match my leather pack straps.
     
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    Ken,
    It does my heart good. I'm glad this went to you, it was meant to be.
     
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    This thread is going to make me make another pack I don’t need lol.
     
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    I'm worried about exactly the same thing. If this keeps up I'll own a pack to go with every axe, and an external framed ruck to go with every knife.
    Which really doesn't sound too bad, does it?
     
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    *fingers in ears, eyes shut...Lalalalalala* I'm not reading this thread or listening to you all. I don't want to regret selling this pack....
     
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    :)

    There are MOAR of them available. Six bucks at Varusteleka I think. There are several commercial packs that are apparently copies of the M60. I almost took one apart to make a pattern, but decided to fix up both of them for the grandkids.
     
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    Well, that was (not) fun. I went to buy a set of those and the seller doesn’t take paypal. Seems he doesn’t want my business. Guess I will make my own straps.
     
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    I had trouble getting paypal to go through on ebay a while back on something. I think I had to log out and back in to get it to work.
    Shane
     
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    I got a note when checking out, a click button I guess, it said the seller doesn’t accept paypal. That’s OK, I have lots of leather. It is a good deal, IMO, because of all the stuff included: buckles and chicago screws.
     
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    Ebay started accepting Visa. And now they have a stupid Visa set up like paypal. To make it "easier" to check out with a credit card. I didn't have the patience to set it up either. I already have paypal for goodness sakes.

    Sort of off topic. But have you ever used the Czech MEss Kit? It's bombproof and very versatile.

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    I am not sure what to think of the ebay payment mess. I have paypal to make it easy. I really don’t want another ‘payment method’. Sigh...

    Yes, the Czech mess kit is neat. I may look at one next trip to the surplus store.

    So, I started putting the big flap on one of my M60s. First I hand sewed the bit that I opened to make the pattern. Then pinned on the flap. NOT easy. Lots of layers of stitched heavy canvas to go through, but I finally got it in place.

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    Outside

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    And inside.

    Then I started sewing. I am using the stitching awl, this is tough work and would have been difficult even for an industrial sewing machine, mainly because of the hardware that is in the way. Be careful with the stitching awl, they will go through a finger without hesitation. I had only one close call so far. :rolleyes:

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    I started in the center so the flap will be ‘centered’. :) Difficult stitching like this tends to creep and I didn’t want the thing out of line. You can see the hardware obstacle course.

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    I had marked the top center of the pack and the center of the flap before pinning it. I used the marks to align the first stitch. Then each stitch has to be aligned, not easy. Be patient and very careful. I will trim and use fabric glue on that raw edge when I am done. I didn’t want yet another layer of fabric to sew through, so I didn’t turn the edge.

    So, I am half way. Had to tape my little finger on the left hand to keep the string from cutting into it, but that is standard for me.

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    The stitches got somewhat out of line, but it is strong. Will disappear when I wax this pack I think. No biggie.

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    And, from the inside. You can see the knot in the center left, in the drawstring. I cut the string and knotted it on both sides. One of the reasons I wanted the bigger flap is to allow a bit more space inside the pack when loaded. The draw string, as designed, puckers the entire top of the pack. Now it will only pull the sides and back and not the front (the side toward my back will remain flat) The next mod for this one will be a drawstring that holds the inner pocket in place and stiffens that side of the pack.
     
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    I finished that stitching without stabbing myself.

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    I stuffed a pillow, a small sit pad and a grill inside to simulate a load. This will work. I think the pockets and flaps will get leather straps with buckles and that little original flap will become a covered pocket.

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    I have tied the draw strings to look sort of like what I want when I put the draw string in the back to hold the grill and pad.

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    I think this one will be mine. The waxed one will go to my grandson when this one is finished and the third one will be my granddaughter’s.

    I am sentimental about some things, and this pack is one. When I was digging in the pile of packs at the surplus store, this one said ‘take me’. You can see the number 37 on the pocket in the first pic in this post. My Mom and Dad were married in 1937. This pack is named ‘37’. :)
     
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    A bit more progress on the pack today. (While watching the snow fall out there...)
    I finished stripping the Italian pack to component parts. Lots of good fabric there. One small piece will become the pocket for the hawk.

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    Sewing that on will be a ‘female dog’ I bet. I need to remember to attach the buckle too, before sewing the pocket on. :rolleyes: I believe that is just about the right place for the flap buckle to go. Still testing. There will be ‘something’ to hold the hawk in place. It becomes a leg to hold the pack in standing position when you set it down. Stole the idea from Tom at Cimbrer Bushcraft.
    Note the clip at the right of the pic. It will be replaced with a much smaller snap, but that hasn’t arrived yet.
    The Italian pack has about 10 pounds of hardware on it. :eek: LOTS of grommets and little metal loops. Two of those loops were reformed and will be part of this pack.

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    I formed the loops to fit through the grommets on this pack, inserted them, then expanded them slightly on the inside so they won’t fall out. There will probably be two more, one in each of the other grommets on this pack.

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    I almost forgot two things.

    When sewing heavy material like this, USE THE AWL to pre-pierce the holes for the needle. I didn’t and I should have.

    And, another piece of the Italian pack will make a ‘duffle bag’ stuff sack to hang on the bottom of the pack, for my tarp and tie out kit. A round bottom will go in as well as a round flap inside the top, like Army Duffle bags have.

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    I stole this screen shot from one of Tom’s videos to show how his hawk serves as a support leg for his Frost River pack. I will use a different method for holding the hawk in place though.

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    I have a couple of them. They're excellent quality and pretty light for what they are. I seasoned them with oil and haven't had issues with food sticking. I usually only take the big pot with my stove, fuel and food inside for an overnighter.
     
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    What a great project. You're absolutely killing it, brother.
     
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    Looks like that website crashed. I will try later.
     
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    I like the design of your pack handle and want to put one on mine. How long were the strands to start with? Thanks.
     
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    NevadaBlue Graybeard Supporter Bushcraft Friend Bushclass I

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    I don’t remember. I think I was making or made, a bracelet and then turned it into the handle.
     
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    Just thought I would add my beginning mod to the thread. If I need to start a thread of my own just let me know. I thought this might be a "lets see everyone's mods" thread. IMG_1253 (1).JPG
     
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    I assume it is.
     
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    NevadaBlue Graybeard Supporter Bushcraft Friend Bushclass I

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    Ha, a state patch! Way to go. Nevada is an easy one. ;)

    Yes, this thread is for any and all mods anyone wants to post. Mods and the pack in use. Hopefully I will get to use mine one day.
    I did get a tiny bit of work done today before crisis mode set in. I got the hawk retaining strap tacked on (need to hand stitch it with heavier thread) and the buckle and D-ring for that strap sewn onto the hawk sleeve.
     
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    Some progress. I got the buckles sewn on the hawk sleeve, the strap sewn on and one half of the sleeve sewn to the back. This will work!

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    The strap and buckle for the hawk are the original top strap from the M60. The Italian flap strap and buckle will be used for now, for the big flap.

    When I sewed the hawk strap inside the pack, I added a D-ring there just for good measure.

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    This was all sewn by hand, with needle and waxed nylon thread. I like this thread since it looks ‘natural’ and yet can be melted on the ends for security. And, I did remember to use my @Bushcraft-kelso awl for pre-piercing the fabric. Makes sewing like this MUCH easier.
     
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    It's looking very nice Ken. :)
     
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    This might also help with the straps. Take the leather center stap and extend it way out. You might need to make a new hole. Wrap it under the bag and clip it to the ring in the center front, between the two pockets.
     

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