Discussion in 'Backpacking' started by NevadaBlue, Nov 23, 2018.
The long strip with the bar tacking on the flap gives you additional lashing points to use when using a horse shoe blanket roll formation. The pack itself has two additional lashing points on each side of the pack for the same use. Without the bread bag you simply put the top flap over the top of the blanket roll.
Tried that but their site doesn’t seem to work with my phone. I’ll give it a shot tomorrow on the desktop.
This one appears to be the Linen material - https://www.ebay.com/itm/CZECH-ARMY-VINTAGE-BREAD-BAG-1950S-DATED-GENUINE/123406586410
Not sure about this one...no zoom - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Czech...eAAAOSwLfRbRnq9:sc:USPSFirstClass!91335!US!-1
Great... Now it's an M60 set thread..
Yes, it is. I ordered one from the first link. Hope it actually IS in stock.
Thanks for the pics and info. I am fascinated by the M60 and am working on a belt kit that will be supported by the straps. I wonder what the real Czech belt kit looked like? I am using a 3” wide leather belt as the basis for mine.
Just use “Czech Bread Bag” in your search engine and you should find lots of them.
The use of a bread bag over a main pack is common in WWII and later military bags. German, Swiss, Czech, and others. If you have a bag you should see if there is a bread bag that goes with it. Here is a picture of one of the Swiss bags with bread bag on top and blanket roll on the bottom.
I haven’t found the belt setup yet, but I did find and touch up this photo. It shows how the hooks work with the drawstring.
Well, some fun developments. I received the proper leather patch for the pack today from my friend @Chevrolet4x4s , thanks Shane! It will be sewn on after the pack is waxed.
That excitement triggered digging through the various cook kits to assemble the ‘perfect’ set for this pack. What you see is a lot of gear, but remember, I don’t/won’t go far from the truck, so for me, the cooking and enjoyment of the fire is the outing.
The digital camo bag is my hand sewn ditty bag for the Bushclass lesson. Inside it is an entire chef’s kitchen, replete with 4 different fueled cooking systems. The soon to be infamous ‘Quad-fire Kitchen’.
The backstop is a giant folding wind screen. The wind blows here all the time it seems. From upper left: alcohol bottle, Lixada wood stove that will burn wood, alcohol or hexamine. A stainless kettle, tube of hexamine tabs, tube of pop up towels, stainless multifuel stove under the Czech cookset large pot and lid, small Czech cook pot, stainless cup with lid, Trangia alcohol stove, my much loved BSA skillet with custom cold handle, butane burner and fuel canister. Included are the bags for stoves, two bandanas, my very nice Foxlite table cloth and the stuff sack.
I think I should use my pyro-pen to decorate the skillet handle and label it “Cold Handle”.
That made a cumbersome ‘one bag’ kit. I decided to split it into two bags worth to make life easier. I have a second pant leg stuff sack that was machine sewn. It was pressed into service.
Breaking the stack into two kits that go into two bags makes much more sense. I like to organize single pocket packs by using small, identifiable bags.
So, here is the ‘adult’ bag. It contains my coffee, Rum, spice kit and tobacco pipe kit.
The utensil roll is filling out too.
It now contains the skillet handle, fork, long silver cooking spoon, wooden eating spoon, eating knife, copper and iron spoon for coffee and my titanium spork. Still room for more.
Sorry for bad photos, old camera. Here are the pack straps I make for these packs. And the upgrade I do for the flaps. I simply tie the webbing onto the loop of a brass snaphook. Then the flaps just clip down, makes it much faster to get in and out of the pack.
Wow! That is really nice work!
Please don’t laugh at the old man in his pajamas...
It took a while to work up the nerve, but here is the ‘house hiker’. I walked around in the house for a while wearing the pack. It weighs 17 pounds now, no water or food and a few goodies like the harmonica to go in. It MUST stay below 25 pounds. So, I may whittle down on some of the ‘emergency items’ and extra cooking gear. Or not...
Ken! I thought you were an old feller? You sure don't look that old to me. Nice looking setup you have there. Nothing wrong with house hiking. I often wear gear around the house to try it out.
Nice looking doors you have there too! Did you do the finishing on those?
The doors are just cheap fake wood things. My lady painted them. She has made some flat ones look like antiques too. Pretty talented lady.
The cabinet is a very old wardrobe that she refinished. Been in the family for a very long time.
She did a good job on the door. I have seen this done a lot before, and by true professionals, and her door caught my eye right away.
Yeah, I have to “work” my stuff around the house too. My wife tries on four outfits and stands infront of the mirror for ten minutes for each outfit before committing so, I figure we’re even.
As far as your gear goes, I think it checks all the boxes.
I will try to take pics of all the doors. They are different on each side. She was having a ball doing that.
What is that huge side pouch on your right hand side? Does it just hook to your belt or does it also attached to the belt and pack straps?
That’s a French gas mask bag. I figured it needed to be French to balance the French canteen on the other side. Yes, it is on the belt. The canvas strap loops on the back just barely fit the 3” wide leather belt. The intent is to attach the belt to the backpack straps like originally intended. I still have to make the hangers for the belt. I think some of the extra hardware on the gas mask bag will give me the hardware for the hangers.
The gas mask bag has a rolled up piece of closed cell foam in it in the pic. I needed to see how it felt ‘full’ to make sure it cleared everything.
Found this thread and of course had to run out and find the pack and bread bag.
Ding dang bread bag cost twice as much as the ruck did! Did the hipsters swoop in and buy them all up or something?
Enablers we are...
I think that must be what happened to the bread bags. I nearly choked at the price, but had to have at least one. I wonder if they weren’t made in the quantities that the packs were. Surplus always amazes me. Brand new stuff, decades after it was made. Warehouses full, entire countries squandered their money on stuff they never used.
Makes me happy they did.
The Czech bread bag came today. It is a nice little haversack, will be a NICE little haversack after it is waxed. I think this one is canvas. Excellent stuff, but not as fine a weave as the pack. No biggie.
It is VERY easy to attach to the pack too. I just hooked the top D-rings onto the shoulder harness hooks with the pack. Instant on and off. Perfect.
The straps on this are a DIY person’s ‘tip of the day’. You can see on the left in that pic, they are made out of canvas, folded and sewn. Actually nice straps. Must remember.
Think mine arrives tomorrow... how smelly the pack is will correlate 1:1 with how angry my wife gets, so here's hoping. Otherwise I'm gonna be scrubbin' bubbles for a week AND be in the doghouse.
Does anyone have good pics of how an Alice H or Y harness connection works on these? I've seen one or two pics where there's definitely Alice straps involved, but I can't really make it out.
It has to be super obvious and I'm just missing it.
None of my M60s have had odor problems. Hopefully yours will be the same.
I have seen the Alice straps on an M60, and even considered doing it on mine, but I’m not sure how it works. Maybe someone will show us...
I took a bunch of stuff out of the pack and got it down to 13 pounds. Mainly, I left out my big tarp. I do want a tarp in there, so the 5x7 will probably go in. And, the cook kit has been reduced to something reasonable.
Still a tri fuel setup. The butane stove and Czech mess kit will make an alternate kit.
It may be useful to those want the original leather strap.
I got my Estwing double bit hatchet today. It is bigger than I thought, but it will work fine. Here is the pack with it in the axe loop.
The head of the axe looks huge in the pic, I was looking down on the pack. That hideous sheath has to go too.
I really like the ‘shelf’ formed by the top flap draping over the double bit axe. Makes a perfect place for a rolled up item, like my ground cloth in this case
The hatchet looks good, I haven’t stripped the protective rubber coating from the edges yet though. The handle is coated with some clear ‘varnish’ which will get sanded off so I can oil the leather and make the handle more ‘grippy’.
Also, I have decided, after reading the ‘day pack’ thread over and over, I am going to set this up for an overnight (or two) and not worry much about the weight as long as I can keep the whole thing under 25 pounds. I won’t be going far and my back actually feels better with a load on it. The security and fun of the extra gear will be worth a bit of weight, IMO. Things like my little Bible, harmonica, cards, etc will just make any outing more fun.
Got some Czeched baggage from Finland!
Only smells a little - the other stuff I ordered was way worse. I completely get why these have a following, darn things are bombproof.
I have some surface rust on about half of my hardware, so I'm reasoning through that. Might sand everything and give it some enamel, seems easier than replacing grommets and D-rings.
The drawstring is in OK shape but will probably get changed to paracord. Probably going to attempt Alice straps. Think the H-style harness will work better.
This is going to be fun!
They are neat aren’t they? I think once they are waxed, they compare favorably to a Frost River pack (from what I can tell by reading about them and looking at pics and reviews). Upgrade the straps to something you like and you are a winner for sure.
Maybe try a bit of scotch brite and WD40 on the rust. If it works, and I bet it will, waxing the bag will protect the metal in the future.
Tomorrow I sketch my mods..
Received my Czech bread bag today from McGuires. Ilooks just like this and was new.
The shoushoulder straps are made from a $5 midway sling.
Where did you find the large pieces of Velcro?
You can find Velcro in rolls of any width just about on the internet. Just google it. Any color and even camo patterns too.
Amazon or Ebay. I don't remember. Search for military velcro. You can buy a yard of loop side only for $5-6.
Nice work on those mods @PLackey . I especially like the velcro pads.
I got my big velcro chunks at Joann fabrics. Now I have to get more.
Got my m60 rucksack so now I have to reread this whole thread (and all the others) for ideas. This is going to be fun.
Made a handle (copied @NevadaBlue ) and put some ranger bands (inner tube) around the clip thingies.
Plan on doing more such as waxing it at some later date.
Cheers for the inspiration guys.
@PrimitivePotato , good for you. If you find any more threads that aren’t linked to this one, please link them here.
@NevadaBlue I'll keep an eye out
I’m taking my Czech ‘top flap’ bread bag on a little outing today. Since I will probably not be using the hook straps on top as designed, I made them into a quick handle. If this works, I will braid a nicer one. I squeezed the hooks shut and used paracord to make a square knot ‘handle’. Works.
This will just be a quick scouting ‘outing’ to locate the spot for my 12 month photo challenge.
The gear... I want to try out the Gomboy for the first time.
Your bread bag looks like it matches your linin pack and mine which is the heavier canvas matches my pack. How cool is that? Getting ready to get back to work on mine and am planning on posting my mods here, hope that's ok.
OK? It is a requirement! Sure, that is what the thread is for... Post away!
I did some experimenting with the bread bag as a top bag on the pack. I like it. I also came up with a positive, easy to use way to lock the pack to the straps and to the top pack. Note the change to the ‘handle’ on the top pack. Guess it is a haversack now.
NiteIze S-biners work great to lock the hooks on the straps and to retain the haversack.
I removed the paracord connector on the ‘handle’ and put a simple split ring in there. Easy peasy.
Gee I haven't used my Czech ruck for a while, it's been sitting in the closet for so long. My girlfriend loves the Czech breadbag, she's been carrying it as her purse everyday for 2 years. Great bag. I modified it with a fastex buckle and some nylon webbing.
Here's a thread I posted on mine awhile ago, it really is an amazing bag. I added Alice straps, Paracord handle, and leather closures to mine, then waxed it. Makes the perfect pack when paddling around in the canoe for the day.
I dig what you've done to yours!
Here's my Czech bread bag thread. Nice to see the straps in original action! I used magbar and cobra weave for a grab handle. EDC every day for a year an a half, I am happy with it.
@NevadaBlue Those are not pajama pants, those are flannel pants! Perfectly fine indoor winter wear.
Thanks! Your pack was one of the inspirations for me taking on the M60.
It is neat to find out what the loops and rings and straps did. Pretty clever design actually.
My pack shrank!
After my little trip yesterday, I realized that I need a day pack, not a DAY pack. So, the bread bag has earned it’s own straps. I will still use the M60 for a pack and finish the mods and bags and all, but I am also going to rig this bag for use. It will hook onto the belt kit I am making too.
I fiddled with the silly connections on the straps more and came up with what I think is the best solution for the ‘unhooking’ issue. The s-biners worked OK, but this is better, IMO.
first, bend the clips so the nose of the hook is very close to the square part of the clip. Then install a 5Col ranger band on the hook. Use the little ones. It isn’t easy, but I have a solution for that too.
Once this is done, the straps will NOT come unhooked and they are easy to release when you want to. Simple, I like simple.
Needle nose pilers will stretch the bands for installation.
That is the goal. Bend the nose of the hook down until it is just below ‘level’ of the square part. Stretch the band over the hook and work it under the tip of the hook. Now, there is plenty of room for the D-ring to slip in and out, but the band keeps it from doing so accidentally. The small bands are tight enough, they will not move unless you want them to.