Discussion in 'Bush Medicine' started by Mr. Tettnanger, Aug 16, 2014.
Well, for a while I bought the cases of snickers from Costco. sigh...
Snicker. Yikes. 102 this am. Didn't get much sleep but did have a 6 mile night trail run.
There are two web sites that will give you the skills to combat diabetes with out the use of drugs. They are: www.drmcdougall.com and nutritionfacts.org.
A while back I posted I was struggling with my sugar and wasn't able to do it. Well, I got my recent a1c test results today. I went from 10.9 to 7.8, which amazed me. Not going to lie, it is tough. This was me trying for 3 months to bring it down. It motivated me to go even lower for the next one. Heres to the next 3 months!
Awesome bro! Keep at it!
You may find this you tube video helpful.
I gotta disagree with much of that video for a diabetic. In fact it would be an absolute train wreck IMHO. A disaster.
Ok blood sugar for 8/19 was 102 in the am, 104 after lunch and 105 after dinner. I prefer the 90's but like the stability.
104 this AM. Blood sugar has hardly moved at all in a day. Starting to worry I might be dead but didn't notice any flies etc so probably still alive.
That is by far the worst video ever for diabetics....Telling someone with diabetes to eat nothing but carbs is pretty much like telling a kid to go play in the middle of the road. Might a well just say go ahead, eat nothing but carbs and go kill your self....
Agreed. That video is so wrong within this context posting it here as advice to a diabetic could be considered maliciously oblivious of the topic.
Blood sugar: 139
That's better. Couldn't find my meter this AM. probably at the other house.
It was at the other house. 98 one hour after lunch.
I've been known to buy those in the past...
Brittle diabetic here 6 shots a day here's a few secrets I have learned over the years:
Protein protien protien
Simple pastas are not as bad as they say
STAY AWAY FROM SUGAR FREE CANDY SUGAR ALCHOOL WORST THAN THE REAL THING
Natural fruits and sugars like honey don't spike as hard as prossed like cord syrup
Watch phosphorus as it is hard on kidneys ( dialysis )
Starches are a roller coaster
That diet would kill me and it's contrary to every recent nutrition study I've seen.
The first recipe that popped up was Apple juice and rice, I'd pass out in it, before I'd finish.
Apple juice is a big no go. Juice is off the menu for sure. Today went to the all you can eat buffet. Also did not work out. Blood sugar 100 even 4 hours after dinner. Stayed away from all things fired or with funky sauces. Drink water with slice of lemon . Considering a longer distance run tomorrow. Spooky stable blood sugar over the last few days as got more sleep however working late tonight organizing this mess of a house.
77 this AM despite all of yesterday's lazy ways. Going to hit the trail after some easy work for a run!
Edit. 93 later afternoon. Walked 3 miles, ran just over 5 today. Ate ok today but not 100% perfect.
I've noticed that my blood sugar spikes when I fly. I'm not eating or drinking anything different , so it must be the 3hrs sitting on my ass that does it.
Or the stress or the lack of oxygen...
I missed this. Congrats Bob! That's a big deal.
102 this AM. Ate a late late dinner.
I travel a lot for work and most orbit is international. Those long flights really are tough on the blood sugar. And the "Daibetic" meals are no better than the regular ones.
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I was bad enough after a recent flight that I didn't rent a car, took a cab.
Changes in sleep will also make things go bad.
On a side note as stated 102 at 9:30 am. Tested at 12:30 after eating 1/2 cup of oat meal, 1/2 banana, 1/4 cup of milk, butter, 1/4 cup of nuts a few hours ago. 101. That's good. Life is better 200-300 points lower than before. LOL!
Frankly I was less than impressed with my Doc in the Box today. Went for my 6 month blood work, A1C is up a bit (6.6). He was "oh, that's fine" My reply was (already knowing the answer) "Really, what was it in December?". He has the Nurse scramble on her iPad for Data he clearly hadn't looked at..."It was 6.2 last time, but hey we're only talking tenths here!" (trying to be encouraging). So then I follow with, "Well whats the trend over the last year?" More scrambling from the Nurse. "Hmmm, it has gone up some." Again I already knew that. All this after he came in and I had to stop him and ask, "And you are?" because I had never seen him before.
I am speculating that the Metformin (which hasn't changed in 6 years) isn't working as effectively as it used to. As i have noticed even with an increase in activity level my levels don't respond as they used to.
The point is that you need to be aware and do your own due diligence. Many GPs don't really know what good is, and unless you're fortunate to see the same Dr. all the time, they don't know you!
Damn bro 6 shots a day is ridiculous. I was shooting up every few hours as well. Talk to your doc about an insulin pump. It has literally changed my life! If your insurance will cover it, that is the way to go. No more bruised up belly hunting for a spot that isn't already sore. Hit me up with a PM if you have any questions!
Subdood, the Metaformin guidance changed at some point in the past year or so. They upped my dose and changed to a time release version. Ask for an endocrinologist referral.
Invokana has helped me as well. Even though I am on the pump, Type 2 meds still help me since I am type 1.5 LADA. I am pretty sure that the DoD has tested me on every single diabetes medicine know to man.
Thanks for that. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do it right now. I have a lengthy business trip soon. And when I get back I have surgery to fuse cervical
Vertebrae. But I will look into it when I get back and have the time.
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Yea know we can beat that back into the low 6s or even high 5s. I bet we could bro!
We can. I have had it as low as 5.8 and kept it there for a couple years.
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I also switched to invokana, jaridance also worked. Both were a big improvement over glipizide.
I kept a little horde of glips for after big business meals, too keep head off of bar. Esp in Korea.
Ask the hospital docs, they will likely know more. (Or the RNs)
Ah the Jaridiance commerical.
Jardiance TV Spot, 'Around the Clock'
"You diet, you exercise and if you still need help lowering your blood sugar there is Jaridance". What amazes me is the actors they hired which apparently are eating right and working out are shaped like fruit. Say one thing then show something else. That's what I call a lie. Aw heck I was shaped like an apple. I got that way by eating like a pig. LOL! I also like the safe controlled corporated out lawyer approved work out. Heck if that guy on the tread mill walked any slower he would grow moss on his back. Is he actually leg pressing 2 X 35lb plates. LOL! Really, he must be 350. Aw heck my 10 year old nephew could do more.
Nothing against meds and the good they do but dang. I mean just dang people. Open that link for a good chuckle. Here is what I did for a work out today. Not trial lawyer approve for sure. Before running took my BP.
I walked around 3 or so miles during the day. Then came 9 PM and hit the trail. Got gas first so took this photo of my kit using my phone.
This trail is wide and will cross roads etc so wore the reflective vest. The lights are a Fenix HL30 headlamp and Armytek A1 flashlight. Planning on at least 2.5 hours running.
At the trail head.
I like the older Fenix HL30 as it has a strap which goes over the top of the head. I don't think the newer model does. It uses a XP-G1 CW. A great deal of flood light yea there is a hot spot which offers a bit of throw. Lights up the entire width of most dirt roads. Punchy flood and it's nearly prefect for this use. The newer one has the same optic. Also the headlamp remains in place when jogging or even sprinting.
I probably jogged 11.5 miles as the last 3 bars represent the entire night outing. Only stopped to take a wiz. Another pro to night jogging mostly off road. I did see a camp fire on a lower connecting trail.
Around 14 miles total for the day.
Funny to see this thread pop up again...
Two years later my blood sugar is being regulated by Metformin. Still no soda and made some dietary changes. Unfortunately I still needed the Metformin. I've struggled with my weight all my life. On September 2nd I go in for a vertical sleeve gastrectomy. I'm pretty scared to go through surgery, but really need to add this tool to my weight loss regiment. I'm hoping it can help give me an advantage that I didn't have before and I can be success full long term. Not looking to be skinny, just healthy and not have to take a handful of pills every day.
Oh you can do it bro. Let me show you something. Today at the seaport.
Less than 2 years ago.
Take a look at this video. These two guy are tough as nails. The one with the long beard working the bowdrill is our very own Longbeard. A few years ago Dan was 75 lbs heavier. He went on to hike the entire AT and PCT.
Believe me. You can do it!
Smoke and Prayers.
That surgery fixes one issue and creates a couple new ones. Once you do it, you HAVE to eat clean nutrient dense food. Your body will no longer be able to overeat calories to get the nutrients it is starving for.
Do what they say to recover from surgery, but make also sure you also do everything you can to heal your digestion. Clean your system, probiotics to repopulate good bacteria after the antibiotics, digestive enzymes, all your trace minerals (plenty of himalayan or celtic sea salt), good deeply colored veggies, QUALITY multivitamin from natural plant sources, grass fed and organic meat, etc.
Juicing your vegetables is one way to concentrate the nutrients, but it also concentrates the sugar so be very careful with the recipes. Too many people say "I am juicing for my health" and then stick three apples and a big handful of berries in there.
It was an ok day. Didn't eat great. 105 in the am and 97 around 10pm. If I didn't walk 3 miles then swim a good distance in the LI sound and then run 5 miles no doubt the blood sugar would have been bad. 3/4 bag of "pop corners" then a questionable dinner. Still the working out covered me again however it's not without a price. Must have nearly 50 miles over 5 days which was mostly done at the end of the day aka late afternoon into the night. Got a bit of plantar in my heel after pushing even harder a few weeks back.
Yesterday did around 11.5 miles however today only a short hike for 3.5.
It seems high BP very often is combined with diabetes for a double hit. Beat the diabetes back odds are the BP with follow.
Blood sugar yesterday 109 in the am, 105 in the afternoon. Today 100 in the am, 112 two hours after dinner. I prefer below 100 but can't complain about stable numbers.
Bad week. Three days of not feeling well led to a bunch of poor choices and lots of excuses.
Blood sugar = 143
Weight = 209
Being sick is when you really want to do everything right, not the other way around but on the positive the am blood sugar is not over 200 like before. This am was 103 and two hours after eating 106. I still like below 100 in the am but again ate late and slept too little. Happy about the post meal numbers which is fantastic. Do you ever test 1 or 2 hours after eating?
No I don't test after meals. I will work on that and see where I am!
Some call for lower but there is what the American Diabetes Association calls for.
The American Diabetes Association suggests the following targets for most nonpregnant adults with diabetes. More or less stringent glycemic goals may be appropriate for each individual.
A1C may also be reported as eAG: 154 mg/dl
Before a meal (preprandial plasma glucose): 80–130 mg/dl
1-2 hours after beginning of the meal (Postprandial plasma glucose)*: Less than 180 mg/dl
- See more at: Checking Your Blood Glucose
Ok so we know your before meal is too high even for a diabetic however you post meal numbers will show if there is control in that regard which is actually most important as it reflects the last meal and if the meds are working IMHO. And it shows very fast if something you ate disagreed with blood sugar levels. Testing after eating will make all the difference as this shows in real time when a mistake is made and maybe how to correct that for the next meal. Knowledge is power.
For a normal person or diabetic with excellent control it should be below 125 mg/dl within that 2 hours. So maybe test for the next few days within two hours after eating.
WW hit it right on the head. It is very important to test before and after meals. This will help your endo make decisions on medications and help you know which foods are hurting you the most glucose wise.
I made this tonight using the 6 net carb flour tortillas. Italian meatballs, pepperoni, ham, fresh basil and spinach chopped, and thin sliced mozzarella ball on two teaspoons of spaghetti sauce. Once done and cut I drizzle it with olive oil. Dinner is served for my wife and I.
100 this am. Ate poorly last night and didn't work out cuz felt the plantar coming on. Sometimes you get more gains by not doing something. As for the food it was the all out can eat Asian buffet. Actually I picked the best that was available avoiding the horrific stuff though going out will almost never be prefect. Maybe a total of 1/2 cup of rice and no other carbs or sugars. Didn't even eat any fruit despite some having a lower index than one might expect. Guessed I was in the bag already so why push it. Yes I avoided anything with funky dressing etc which are often all sugar. Going to eat better tonight, work out and not eat late to see if I can get that AM number below 100 again. Ok 100 is actually good but this is like stropping a knife. Want the blade shaving sharp.
Edit. 109 mid afternoon.
Sometimes spaghetti sauce from a can is high sugar etc. For example Ragu (looking at a bottle now) has 13 grams of carbs with 8 grams of sugar per 125g or 1/2 cup. That said two teaspoons isn't much and quantity really does matter. Still it's amazing how processed foods are always pushing the envelop on sugar and salt.
Absolutely, I have been doing the Keto diet trying to maintain Ketosis which, should be ok as I am not diabetic, and my last "pizza" made with 3 Tablespoons of the same spaghetti sauce almost knocked me out of Ketosis. I am planning on trying the same type of "pizza" with chicken and an alfedo sauce next. With this Keto thing I am trying to stay under 20 carbs a day along with caloric restriction. Things are working and I'm down 14.5 pounds in 20 days and I feel great.
Really important to test both. Many folks get frustrated because they feel like their A1C numbers are wrong when they compare to their meters. One of the reasons this can happen is they don't test often enough offer they eat and get a skewed low average on their meters.
Went off the reservation last night. Ate a bag of chips, ate late and no working out. 114 this am which is too high. Opps. 102 about 30 minutes ago. That's number is good but not going to drop last 15 lbs screwing around like this. Will see what today brings. So far doing great!