Disappointed w Condor

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  1. JerseyDevilJeeper

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    Now I’ve been a fan of Condor for years, have given many of them as gifts; the Bushlore to rookies and the Mini Bushlore to vets.
    But I am really disappointed right now. I ordered a Mayflower for my daughter to use as a camp knife - yea, yea, I could’ve spent better elsewhere but I wanted to start her w a knife she could make better... from handle to edge and I would help.
    So I intended to do nothing; no BLO on the walnut, no butcher block, not take it to the stones, strop etc. All I would do was wet-form the sheath as I’ve always appreciated their sheaths and worry every time I order one that some young college grad (yea, they are over there too) might decide to cut expenses by deboning their sheaths.
    I took delivery very late at night and went to work forming the sheath. Tucked it away in the safe as it was intended as a surprise on a upcoming camp out in upstate [PA] where I’m looking at a cabin. Went to bed well after 2am and woke to multiple issues in both nj & pa due to the current flooding on the east coast and hit the road for 2 days.
    So last night I took it out to see how well my wet-form took and can’t print the return label fast enough. The blade AND edge remind me of the little $2 dollar 3 inch key chain souvenirs sold at the mummers parade I went to as a child! The only acceptable part of it is my wet-form. Just because I like the finer things when it comes to knives doesn’t mean I’m a knife-snob... because I know guys who are and come across them in-country all the time. Ok, I’m rambling now... let me step off my soapbox:rolleyes:
    Any of you guys see writing on the walls like we see w Buck?!? I tried to overlook this when I started seeing maker marks etched instead of stamped on Condor’s blades?

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    So, what about it has left you unsatisfied?
     
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  3. SpookyPistolero

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    I don't think anyone picks up a Condor looking for perfect F&F, but that looks pretty good from here. Was the grind especially uneven or something? The lines look good and the handle slabs look even. Wood quality is about whst it usually appears as.
     
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    It’s literally blunt for lack of a better word and it will no doubt need to be reprofiled and that is not where I want to start her out.
     
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    I don't see the problem from your pics. I'm not saying there isn't one, I just don't see it.
     
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    The steel is like butter, so getting it sharp would not take very much energy. I don't think she will care if the edge was sharpened by Dad first, so long as she is getting to spend time with you. Just my opinion.
     
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    I'm not really seeing any real issues. Most Condors come with a workable edge and dry wood (both my Stratos and Tavian had dry wood). Sand, oil, and sharpen it and run it. Hey, if dad put in some work to make it nice for her maybe she'll like it even more.
     
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    Back in 2012 I ordered a Mini Bushlore for me and a Sapien for my son. The Bushlore came dull with uneven grinds. It was supposed to be a scandi grind but Whatta disappointment!! :(:mad:
    The Sapien was in better shape albeit dull. Instead of sending them back for a refund. I used my Worksharp Knife and Tool Sharpener to convex the edges in short order. Anyway I've never bought another Condor since!
    Dominick..........
     
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    I don't see the problems you mentioned showing up in your photos. Maybe another set of better pictures would help in displaying your dislikes or concerns about the knife.

    The very first Condor knife I purchased was a Kephart. It had a terrible grind and wouldn't hold an edge. It took me 5 years before I decided to give them another another try. Now I own over a dozen knives made Condor and haven't had a problem with any of them. If anything I have seen their quality control improve over time.

    Have you tried contacting Condor? Is the knife under warranty?
     
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    Agreed, as I said; that why I choose it, I want to walk her through proper maintenance and experience it’s virtue
    If my wife hasn’t boxed & mailed I’ll take better [worse] pics before I do
    Agreed, nor do I, but that’s not what I want
    Agreed, but not to the point of requiring it be reprofiled... way out of her league anyway. As to the walnut it’d be the perfect example of work bringing it to life as I intended
    All of my minis came rough but sharp. A little green leather and they’re ready to go. I always keep one in whatever pack I have w me.

    Bottom line boys; I wanted her to have a basic fixed w real wood in the rough which, over 2 nights and 3 days would’ve been transformed by her hand. The mistake was mine by not researching how this [mayflower] was received/reviewed. I based it on my experiences w other repeated Condor tools I’ve bought. I’ve since read many other like reviews.
    Lucky for me, this east coast flooding has pushed the trip off a week.. enough for me to get a different knife for her. Maybe the mini?
     
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    The only thing I see wrong is that where the rivets come thru the wood it looks really crude. Is that what you don't like? I hope Condor isn't going down in quality. I sure like my Bushlore. I've been using it a lot for harvesting yucca stalks lately. Just the right amount of weight for good chopping power.
     
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    I got one a few years back that couldn't be sharpened, slipped past em I guess. They jumped on my warranty request like pit bulls on a hog. :D I had a replacement in my hands in less than a week. You're not happy, I believe they'll make it right. Havent heard reports of them doing otherwise.
     
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    Some smaller knife sellers hand inspect knives before shipping and will give them a working edge for a nominal fee
     
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    Sorry boys - in UPS’ hands now -
     
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    Benchmade has the program - I forget what they call it. But you send back your knife anytime and they will recondition & sharpen it to factory new standard.
     
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    Yes, I think Baryonyx Knife inspects them if you ask.
    @Jersey Devil you are right, I think the price you pay for any Condor knife should definitely include an out of the box working edge. The sheath is very nice,
     
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    I realize theres more than we can see.
    But when I look at the pictures you posted, they look great.

    What about a nice used ESEE 3 (or similar) and letting her make some scales, getting a leather sheath from Cline for $30? Do a wtb on the blanket.
     
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    Great idea, I should’ve went that route from the getgo... Ahhhh... it was a cheap lesson learned :(;)
     
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    If you do please update. I think it'd be a terrific project knife. I linked an esee 4, maybe somebody has a 3 they'll PM you about?
     
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    Will they take it back now that you wet formed the sheath?
     
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    They should, and pay him for his work. :)
     
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    I wondered about that as well; we’ll see.
     
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    Ha!! Thank you brother
     
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    Where?
     
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    I've always bought Condors knowing they will be project knives - as long as they get sharp I'm good with anything else
     
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    Have considered an Enzo Trapper? A really nice one is for sale in the vendors trade blanket with custom olive wood scales and matching ferro rod for an excellent price.
     
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    Maybe I'm picky but I'd have been turned off looking at that secondary as well. Personally I purchased one Condor and it was the first and last. It was a second gen Woodlore, I'm sure most won't remember the first gen which was terrible. The second gen was supposed to fix all that, but it was probably worse than the above knife. I ended up modifying the grind but still don't use it. I keep meaning to but just haven't. The more recent ones look far better but I was just turned off.

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    My experiance is the steel is softer than i would like, but the customer service was good.
     
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    Sorry for your bad experience. I've had a Condor Varan for several years. Used it for everything from through hiking, to camping / food prep, bushcraft, skinning deer, and fish. It is what it is: a knife I use, resharpen (easily), and reuse some more. Hope it works out for you or you get your money back. Good luck either way.
     
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    I've had a few condors over the years, bushlore, mini bushlore, hudson bay, Matt Graham primitive, nessmuck. Didn't like any of them. They dont take a good edge nor do they hold one. I've even reprofiled some, and they still cut like a butter knife. Not a condor fan at all.
     

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