Facing getting older.

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  1. ArmyMacE

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    It’s not the age, it’s the mileage...

    If you have wool blankets use them as your padding instead of purchasing more stuffs. I have slept on many pieces of ground and cots. A slim air mattress wrapped in two wool blankets is what I have found works best. At least for me... A good pillow is worth the space more so to me.

    I hope it works out for you!
     
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    Or
    Perhaps the lack of maintenance and lubrication
    My intention was to grow old disgracefully, my beloved says that is almost impossible as it would be difficult to become much more disgraceful than I am now
     
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    @NevadaBlue, I've gone full circle; ground, jungle hammocks, then cot-top tents, to fully enclosed boat, and finally back to the ground (thermarest & tarp, etc.). The Cabin Cots were the most comfortable, save for the cot weight. But, worth it. Still have them and some of my buds are still using them - incredibly well-made and durable. I'm just packing more lean now. These Cabin Cots can be set up on the ground, thus the end straps.

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    Love those cabin cots!
     
  5. NevadaBlue

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    @LongAgoLEO , Jon, There was a Cabin Cot on ebay that I looked at. I almost bought a pop up cot tent. It is instant like the tent I ordered. But, after considering how much junk I like to haul around, I decided on a real, though small tent. Instant up tent is what I wanted, I hope this one works.
     
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    You did well. I like your setup. Anxious to see it in (real) action.
     
  7. Beach Hiker

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    We want pics!
    And also pics of the fire fork in use.....
     
  8. bgf

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    I've given in/up for years now :). No shame in being comfortable so you can actually enjoy camping, especially if you are focusing on other activities while you are out.

    Car camping, I use either my 12x12 wigwam (one pole) tent or a standing room 64 (http://www.standingroomtents.com) hanging tent under my pop up. I do not use a cot, but considering double high air mattress; I often, however, require room for a chair to sit in, so that I can get my shoes on! The wigwam in particular takes up very little extra space to haul compared to other shelter options, but offers lots in terms of space and comfort. So don't feel guilty! I hope it works out for you.
     
  9. NevadaBlue

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    The tent is supposed to be delivered Friday. The fire fork is in transit to it’s new home. I will have to make more. :)

    I want to try making a teepee (wigwam?) some day. Should be fun. What I want/need for camping is something just plain EASY to set up and use. :dblthumb:
     
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    Looks good!

    But... What if a big gust of wind popped those side walls back into your head or something?
    Hope they lock into place well.
     
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    47 years old, 22 years of military services speeds up that aging process stuff... I just suffer through on my air mat and tent. I use a "4" person tent form Walmart which gives me room for sleeping and bringing in all my gear when bad weather hits. Plus, living in FL, it helps tremendously with keeping the critters off you at night. I am in the beginning stages of trying out the hammock though. Like some of you, getting off the ground is steadily becoming an Olympic event....
     
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    Sorry for misunderstanding, my wigwam is old nylon one from sportsmans guide.
    https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/guide-gear-single-wigwam-tent?a=1618371

    Stake down with 6 stakes, unfold center pole and stand it up, then six stays into pockets on sidewall and six stakes for guide ropes at corners. I can put up in 5 minutes by myself if in hurry. It's been great for 8-10 years (guessing), but has started to show it's age with tears at seams and resultant leaks. I'm going to repair and reseal because they don't appear to make them anymore (at least when I needed something fast) and it is so handy, but I take the hanging tent if heavy rain is likely to be an issue in meantime.

    As for making own, go for it. I made an ~8x9 canvas pup tent for primitive events, but it's too low (54" rigde) for my comfort, have to crawl in and out. Ironically, if given a choice, my son will pick that one every time, even just for camping out in a field by ourselves, because he likes the look.
     
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    I hope you bought a wide cot. I bought a regular cot from Cabela's and it's about 6" too narrow for real comfort. I had a cheap aluminum fold-in-half cot that was much better (and much lighter).
     
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    That's one of the tents I have. Spent a lot of time in that. I have had mine around 8-10 years. Haven't had any issues at all. I have it right outside in my van right now actually. :)
     
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    There seems to be progression here. I just gave up ground dwelling for a hammock. I can see the issues with getting in and out and struggling with the beding, etc. Maybe after the hammock, I'll move to the cot. Then the pine box.
     
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    Then you'll believe me when I say I love that tent! It has been used hard, and it doesn't owe me anything, I just need to give it a little TLC and testing before I trust it in a heavy rain again. SG seems to have dropped it for the teepees, which are not as good in my opinion...no kneewall or bathtub floor, if I'm not mistaken.

    Planning on putting it in the car for this weekend.

    Looking at that link I posted reminded me that there was a 2-pole (24x12) and a three pole (36x12) version as well. Never saw one of those in real life, did you? I suspect the design might have stressed the materials in those dimensions!
     
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    YES, the cot is 35” x 75”. And, it fits perfectly. (Me and the tent)

    TWO days early. I did not ask permission to stake the thing to the dining room floor, it is pitched loose. :p

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    I couldn’t have planned this better. The cot fits front to back with plenty of room to get in and out of the tent. Crosswise wouldn’t go without the chance of messing up the netting. This thing is PERFECT! My lady even likes it. She wants to pitch it in front of the fireplace this winter and camp IN. :D

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  18. NevadaBlue

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    The little dawg even likes it.

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    Even a fat old man fits nicely.

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    Sitting on the cot, and reaching my arm as high as I can reach, there is still lots of space above my hand.

    There are lots of hanging loops all around as well as two D-rings in the peak for hanging things.

    LOTS of room, plenty for my gear and maybe a dance or two beside the bed.

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    The fly is quite nice too. The front of the tent closes with the door, which has screen in the top half. The fly forms a ‘porch’ of sorts over the door and is open on that end.

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    The fly clips to the tent stake loops with bungee cord. Obviously, I couldn’t clip it, no stakes.

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    And a real surprise, there is a ridge to floor, full length zipper in the fly back wall. That lets you tie the rear wall open giving plenty of ventilation if needed.

    Pretty neat tent overall. I am very happy with it so far.

    Next to try it OUTSIDE!
     
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    Never seen the larger sizes. In fact, you are the only person I have ever heard mentioning having one of these. Maybe they only sold the two of these? :) Maybe that's why they quit making them. :4:

    I have thought about getting one of the new tipi ones they have, but something is telling me not to. I'll listen to that something for now.

    I'm going to set it up soon and see if I can figure out a way to stove jack it for winter.
     
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    I like that a lot
    While I have seen larger versions of that here this is the first time I've seen a solo unit. Could you please post a link to the purchase site in case they ship O/S ??
    We need an alternative set-up for roadside camping while traveling and this would work well for The Boss
     
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    I got it at Walmart. It is called a ‘three person tent’ I think. It is Ozark Trails brand.
     
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    OH, I found the easy way to pitch the tent if it is not staked. Go inside and push the sides out. I will probably do that instead of pulling anyway. And, they are QUITE strong and stiff. No worry about accidentally collapsing, IMO.
     
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    OK I just found your first link Walmart do not ship O/S and neither will Amazon these days.
    Maybe by this southern summer somebody local will have picked up on it
     
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    @NevadaBlue, that is way more spacious than I anticipated. Love the low profile cot, too. Perfectly matched. Those pop-out style shelters are actually pretty rugged. I've had to replace some of the poles and resetting them into the knuckles can be a tussle, but not impossible. My experience has been with fiberglass poles and issues at (very) sub-zero temps (portable fish houses, deer blinds, etc.). You should have NO problems. I'm impressed.
     
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    Thanks Jon! The cot is 17” high too.
     
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    Nevadablue,
    That is a nice setup, tent and cot! More than enough room to sleep and keep stuff dry. Combined with a separate fly porch, you'll be set for camping several days at a time. In good weather, I can see pitching just the mesh portion as mosquito netting under a big shading tarp.
     
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    Yep, exactly. I am hoping to rig a fly tarp that rests on a ridge line that is above and parallel to the ridge on the tent. If there are trees available, that will be easy. I hope to use a setup that will allow sliding the fly over the tent or not. The sky out here is just gorgeous most of the time and there is little rain in summer. So, having the tent open to the sky will be nice.

    The next project for this is a ‘desk’. I have a little wooden crate, very old, that was used for shipping something in the far, dark past. (Army stuff I think) It will become a little drop front desk to sit beside the bed. Since I will be camping in the yard or from a vehicle, none of the weight issues apply, as long as the individual pieces don’t weigh too much. I think the cot is the heaviest piece of the kit.

    Part of my tyvek find will become a ground cloth for the tent and the rest will become a large tarp.

    I am looking for ideas for the desk based on old army or other travel desks.
     
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    @NevadaBlue I like that setup alot. I have spent a good bit of time with a tentkot and I like your setup better. The tentkot was flat and wide when stored. This made it sort of bulky in a way too. It was also heavy for what it was. I used a twin size mattress topper ( eggcrate foam style) for an added pad, it helped. The tentkot was also very tight inside. IMHO you done good going the way you went. I wish you many more happy nights under the stars!
     
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    @LongAgoLEO that cabin cot looks alot better than the tentkot too. Loads more room.
     
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    Yup - went that route, too (if I'm thinking of the same setup). Too cumbersome for me and found the crossbars uncomfortable to sleep on. I think this was in '05.

    I really like @NevadaBlue's new setup.


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    Does the cot have a pocket for a pee bottle? I use a gallon size "Simply Orange" bottle. The opening is sufficient, great volume but where it shines over a Gatorade bottle, is it has a nice handle! Arthritic fingers sometimes can't get a grip on a Gatorade bottle! Get a grip!

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    @LongAgoLEO , Jon, I am so glad I went with the tent. Several people confirmed my decision on the cot/tent. I hope to be testing this setup this week up in the mountains.
     
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    Not gonna lie, that tent looks pretty cool! I have a lot of respect for you for adapting to what your body needs, instead of just giving up on the outdoors like so many others!
     
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    I think I can adapt my home made one man tent to a cabin cot idea fairly easily. thanks .
     
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    Honestly I am not much for sleeping on a thin matt on a knobbly forestfloor anymore either.
    But then again I do not do much overnighters either. Just don't need 'm that much. And pushing 50 I do like a bit of comfort and a good night's sleep. Hammocking has started to look real interesting.
     
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    Thanks! Hopefully a bunch of gear including this tent and cot will get their first trip to the ‘bush’ this week.
     
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    There are a LOT of people hoping that too. :) Not so much for the gear getting out, but YOU. :)
     
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    Looks like a Winer to me. Prov 27:17
     
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    I'm with you there. Being in my 60's now I don't enjoy sleeping on the lumpy, cold, damp ground as much as I used to. It's getting where crawling in and out of a small tent is a chore too with my increasing number of bad joints. I don't have a UTV but I do have an old Ford Expedition and like you, weight isn't a concern if I'm using that. I'm thinking big like this 8 man tent with a cot:

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    The "roof" is screen so if you remove the rain fly you can see the heavens. Nice feature where you can have a screen roof and still zip the sides closed so you don't wake up with nothing but screen between you and a bear. Almost like having a having a cabin in the woods. This might be my setup in the future if I go out for several days or more. If I didn't have a wife at home I would probably spend a whole summer by myself in the woods with one of these.

    If you see this tent in the woods with a pallet of MREs hanging from a nearby tree it might be me.
     
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    Really nice setup @NevadaBlue!! I like it :) I just turned 55 this month and am still able to sleep on the ground although I do get pretty stiff once in a while. I did have to upgrade from a foam sleeping pad to a insulated Klymit Static V. that helped a lot with the morning stiffness!

    It's great to see posts like this so I have some idea of options available when I do get to the point it's too uncomfortable to be on the ground. Thanks for the info and the other great feedback from other folks. :dblthumb:
     
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    I really like that tent @Gary V . :dblthumb:
     
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    Looks like a fine solution for an unfortunate problem that will eventually plague us all! I especially like the pockets :)
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    Hey.. another "youngster".. actually you ARE young compared to me (at 45), and I'm young compared to these old hounds ;)

    Definitely try the hammock. Hammockforums.net are a great resource for research. Lower back problems for me are causing me to look at alternatives, but I'm still young enough that I want to try to do (never did in my younger years) some overnight backpacking at some point, so shelter/ sleep gear weight/volume is an important factor for me.

    Hubby and I are heading up to our favorite vaca spot in Maine.. VIA our first hammock hang, also in Maine! :D
    A kind, generous guy from that group is going to set BOTH of us up on my top two hammocks (based on research and a short demo recently from some south Jersey friends), and will supply quilts too.. We are a lucky couple to have a great opportunity to try it all out.

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    I made my own, one man rip stop nylon water proof tent.
    Double walled ,no condensation inside . both a fabric and independent screened zippered doors
    black on one wall and white on the other and is reversible .
    The bottom is red with a pocket for the inflatable mattress .
    Self supported with rods and shock cord ,so it can stand on its own .
    The white reflects sunlight and the black insures no silhouette and the capability of sleeping when the sun is up .
    As a rescue device the red bottom is flagged upward and the white accents it. or in snow the black accents it.
    The pocket holding the mattress protects it and insures it stays in place during the night.
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    hidden_lion Supporter Supporter

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    those are pretty cool. look more roomy then the tent/cots i have seen
     
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    @NevadaBlue any trip report updates using the new tent and cot?
     
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