Finding a first pistol - Found it finally!!

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  1. NevadaBlue

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    Thank you. We disagree. Do you own a Judge? How many have you killed? No, you do NOT shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat. That can be an expensive lesson to learn if you happen to kill someone in self defense and someone else shows the post that says ‘shoot to kill’. Not smart. :14:
     
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    I believe he is talking about Winchester defense rounds that uses 3 copper plates and buckshot instead of a slug and buckshot. And from shooting them nobody is gonna just walk away from point blank.
     
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    Not saying they will walk away, but that they will live to sue you.
     
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    In Florida, I'm allowed to shoot to kill (i.e. I'm allowed to use deadly force, not just 'stopping force') in certain situations. The law clearly calls it deadly force.

    776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.—
    (2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

    Anyway, you can trust your life or your family's lives to the Judge. I would prefer not to.
     
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    I suggest you learn more about that ‘deadly force’ quote. Ask an officer if he would ‘shoot to kill’. Using a deadly force is not the same as intent to kill. MUCH different.
    Anyway, we disagree, that is OK. I’m out of this one. I have derailed Hanna’s thread too far now. Sorry.
     
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    So......how's the search going hanna?
     
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    @HannahT what kind of ear protection are you using??

    Try using both plugs and ear muffs. Sounds crazy. But it will seem less recoily.

    I feel the majority of the flinch we get is from the blast. Not the actual recoil.


    Also IMO the Beretta 92 & Taurus copy is one of the easiest recoiling 9mm pistols I've ever shot. Large thou
     
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    As soon as I have time to post some pics I have lots of new stuff to post! No purchases yet, but I've been to a gun shop with an indoor range and shot a whole bunch of 9mm. Mostly compact. They're stouter than I expected for sure, but I like them a lot :) Models and my target will be posted soon!

    Shooting those 9mms in that range yesterday was like a slap in the face - I don't know whether I was shock waves off the sides of the booths or off the back of the gun, or what. It was wild!! But cool! I'm not too sound-shy, but I will probably wear both sometimes, though I have earmuffs for most of my shooting.
     
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    Oh, and I'm still planning to get a .22 pistol as well. My search thus far has been unfruitful.
     
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    So, a big shout-out to a fella named Larry Clarke at Kentucky Gun Co :) After talking to a nice salesman named Greg (I think) I registered to use the indoor range. Larry helped me picked out a couple guns to try, took me to the range, walked me through the gun and its operation, and had me shoot it. All told he picked out 8 different 9mm semi-automatics and let me try them out. I shot 50 rounds in all. He kept a detailed list of what I shot and even labeled the spots I shot with the gun I was using. When I'd shot them all he recommended I do some research at home, then come back another day and try them again, which is my plan.

    Here are the spots I shot with each gun. According to the guy at KY Gun Co I'm a pretty decent shot, though... you know... he's a salesman and all :D These were all from 7 yards. I shot 5 rounds out of each. If you don't see that many holes, there was more than one round through some of the holes ;)

    Mossberg MC1

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    Walther CCP

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    Ruger All-American (that's what he called it anyway, though I can't find anything called that exactly - just American)

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    Taurus G2C and Smith and Wesson M&P Shield, both in the same area

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    Springfield XDS (I was aiming for the elbow - don't know what the issue was with this gun)

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    Sig 365

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    Sig 320

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    I didn't realize until I got home that I have parts of the model names, but not necessarily the name of the specific gun. Most were compact, though they varied a little in size. To be perfectly honest, I couldn't tell a whole lot of difference. I do know I didn't like the grip on the Walther. I'm inclined to think the Springfield's problem was with that particular gun, but it's still pretty much off my list. After a couple of Youtube reviews of the Sigs, I'm leery of them (they mentioned firing pin issues) but I'll keep digging. I'm going to make a bit of a spreadsheet with price, mag capacity, etc. to help me pick. The Mossberg and the Ruger (especially the Ruger) are at the top of my list based on how well I shot them, but I want to shoot them all again. I also want to hold them all again and feel how the grip feels in my hand. I think I'm pretty settled on a 9mm. If I get a chance to try others, I will, but since I'm not going to be blasting 400 rounds out of this thing every weekend, I think one of these will be just fine. If my thinking is off on this, let me know - I've been off before :D

    Let me know what you all think! I'll be doing some more research on the different guns, but they seem to be pretty much in my price range. It's so much to process!
     
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    Awesome! Getting closer!
     
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    I owe a chunk of that performance to that grip tip you gave me :) I really had hold of those guns and they didn't jump around much!
     
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    Well young lady, glad to see you have been doing your homework; nice shooting!

    Here's my .02 cents on the SIGs, my P365 was born after they had the firing pin issues (after July 2018) and I have had zero problems with over 600 rounds fired. The pistol box has the date of manufacture on the side of it.

    You should also check out the Glock 43 pistol if you are leaning towards compact size; my son owns one and loves it.

    Just take your time deciding, and you will find the perfect gun for yourself.
     
  14. HannahT

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    Thank you! Those 200+ rounds through the .22 over the weekend warmed me up a little :D Good to hear they fixed that issue! I'll keep that one on my list :)
     
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    Really great that you were able to get your hands on so many options.
    A good 9mm will serve you well.
    You’re definitely on the right track.
    Congrats on the excellent shooting.
    I usually do most of my shooting inside of 7 yds when at the indoor range.
    You’re doing great!
     
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    Thanks! I was really happy I was able to shoot several :) The fella helping me kept asking me if I wanted to try a couple more. When I went in I couldn't have loaded one by myself!
     
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    One advantage to having a semi auto is that you can have several magazines loaded and ready to go for a range trip.
    I’m going on Friday and will have mags loaded in advance. That way I get to concentrate on shooting.
     
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    That's a huge plus for me too. I probably won't do a ton of shooting but it'll be awesome being able to carry more ammo and load it quicker. That way I can shoot varmints or tin cans or whatever while I'm out and not have to spend 30 seconds reloading!
     
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    Very nice!! Notes are a great idea. And that sounds like a pretty decent shop!!
     
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    If you decide on a 9mm semi-automatic pistol, I suggest you buy a magazine loader and unloader made by Maglula, www.maglula.com

    It's a tool that will come in very handy at the range for loading your magazines, makes it quick and easy to load; your thumb will thank you.
     
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    If I could like this twice I would!!

    I have dexterity issues with my hands. These tools are awesome
     
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    He showed me a tool similar to those - it sure was handy!
     
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    Good work on exposing yourself to many options!!
     
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    I was there at a very quiet time so there were hardly any other customers. It was a lot of fun!
     
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    So, did ya pull the trigger yet?
     
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    @ozark75 I sure did! We ran to another store I've been to before looking for a .22 revolver. I'll be making another trip to KY Gun Co as soon as I get a day off (possibly next weekend) for the 9mm, but today I was focused on the .22. I'd struck out on them until today - they had a Ruger Wrangler in stock!

    I got the black model. I'd been eyeballing them for awhile but couldn't find them in stock anywhere. I was super excited to find one!
     
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    Congratulations
     
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    Yup, exactly!
     
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    Wooho, congrats and happy shootin'!
     
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    Congrats!!!

    Now ya need a holster! Start looking for random boxes of holsters at gunshops. It should fit in any holster for a Ruger Single six.
     
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    Thanks! It sure didn't take me long to decide, once the salesman set it up on the counter! It's heavy and seems well made. They didn't have any holsters that looked like they would fit - they were almost all semi-auto holsters. I've been shooting it all evening :) It fits my hand differently than Mom's pistol, so I'm back to shooting low and left :rolleyes:

    I figured that out, once I'd shot a few rounds through those 9mms at the gun shop! But I don't think I'll mind that too bad :) I've always blinked at loud noises, but I definitely plan on wearing good ear protection :D
     
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    @HannahT sounds like you might have to put those crafting skills to work and figure out how to make holsters now.

    If you think making pouches is fun you are really going to enjoy sticking your new firearm in some wet leather to let it dry over night. Let us know if you need any guidance. Lots of talented holster makers here.
     
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    That's something I've never attempted :) It should be fun though! I do have a full side of 8/9 oz. leather that'd do just fine :)
     
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    Good for you @HannahT ! You will love that little revolver. Most any leather will work and a simple holster for that one will be a piece of cake for you. Have fun!
     
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    I made this one for my Single Six. Couldn’t be more simple. One piece of leather and some stitching and I used a Sam Browne stud for the strap.

    This one is oiled leather, but nearly anything will work.

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    Try different ammo. 22s tend to like a certain type. What that type is changes from gun to gun.

    Also have someone else shoot it. Just to make sure its square. Things happen.

    If your looking for a ok but affordable field holster. Uncle Mikes Sidekick size 7. Under 20.00 81071.png
     
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    So far so good! It seemed like Ruger has a good reputation :) And its so cool looking!
    I'll try some different stuff in it :) I've been using a big box of Federal rounds, but I also have a box of Winchester plated hollow points.
     
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    Consider cross draw for the single action. It's my favorite way to carry a backup. Main firearm strong side...rim fire cross draw.

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    There's a thread dedicated to the Wrangler. Your impression and opinions on it would be appreciated.

    -John
     
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    I'm not sure I'll carry both at the same time, but I'll try out cross draw :) And I'll hunt down that thread too!

    They look nice! It's cool that some come with an ammo pouch.
     
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    When I’m going for a walk during a small game season I normally conceal my 9 and open carry my 32 long. You never know when something tasty will pop out.
     
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    I use these alot in the bush.
    Mtm ammo wallet.
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    Fits nice in my back pocket. Ive sat on them a bunch. And they hold up good. Bout 10dollars.
    Only thing is if you have both 22lr and 22mag. The ones you put mags in will stretch it out just enough that the 22lr are loose and fall out. So I have 2. And marked them for mag and lr
     
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    Definitely "minute of rabbit"
     
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    Good job. Now you're at "minute of squirrel"
     
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    I might be able to nail something with the .22... if it walks right out in front of me :D I'm not the best shot yet, but I'll get there!

    I like the looks of them! I've heard a lot of good things about Ruger, so I'm happy that's what I was able to get.
     
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    I'm slowly improving with the Wrangler! At first I was struggling with low and left again, but I'm finally getting the hang of holding it tight. The proportions of the grip and everything are way different than the Hi-Standard pistol I've been shooting. The sights are different, too. The more I shoot it, the more I like it :)

    I'm hoping I can get back to KY Gun Co here in the next couple weeks or so to finally pick out my 9mm. It'd be best to go on a weekday to get out of the crowds, but I may have to go on a weekend. I think I've narrowed it down to 4:
    1. Ruger American (maybe compact)
    2. Smith & Wesson M&P Shield
    3. Sig 365
    4. Mossberg MC1
     
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    I think I have a different suggestion for you. Get some professional training first, before you buy a gun. You may prefer a lady but not necessarily. Tell them what you want to do with your gun. Ask them to show you options of revolvers and pistols that they feel will fit your needs. You don't need a macho self defense course, but some really good basic training. You need someone that will show you the correct way to hold and fire a gun. Once you decide on the gun, then some more training on that specific gun.

    The reason I give you this advice comes from my personal experience. I grew up around guns. I bought and sold a bunch of them. One day some friends told me that they were going to take a two day pistol training class. They asked if I could join them. I paid my money and went to the class. I will tell you in that two days I learned so much about shooting a pistol that I had never leaned shooting with friends and on my own. That class is so embedded in me years later that I still shoot the way I was trained. The class also changed my mind about what I wanted in a gun. I wasted so much money on guns that I could not get to shoot well when I was the problem, not the gun. I also wasted money chasing nostalgia and reputation vs what actually worked for me.

    After taking the class, I worked a few gun shows for the owner of the training facility. I got laughed at more than listened to. People want to buy a gun, not pay for training. All I can say is that they don't know what they are missing.

    David Enoch
     

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