Flint and steel Friday

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  1. MrFixIt

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    I figured since we have a friction fire day and a tinder bundle day, why not one for flint and steel?
    I've just started down this road, and am intrigued by the history, the process, and the techniques.
    Please share your flint and steel fires here.


     
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    Great idea! I'll definitely contribute to this thread as I am able.
     
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    Me too. It's my favorite fire starting method.
     
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    This was the first kit I put together, misplaced it somewhere.
    Lately I have been using a piece of file. Works great.

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    A kit I put together for a cheap campout competition. A little piece of a broken file some sisal bailing twine and blue jeans char cloth in an Altoids smalls tin. I ended up gifting it to the winner but I'm thinking of making some more mini kits just to see how small they can be made and remain usable.
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    I did this video a while back with some of my thoughts on flint and steel.

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    Great idea @MrFixIt . Considering it's Thursday, I hope you don't mind if we treat this one like the other two threads and post here regardless of the day of the week. :)

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    That is an interesting method @NWPrimate I need to experiment more with natural char.
     
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    Thanks for the support so far folks!
    On my phone with limited service at the moment, but I will be adding to this thread!
     
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    Sorry about the bad pictures. Mason jar full of charred punk wood.

    I think the dark stone is flint, and the light stone is chert.

    Wolf Creek Forge striker. Cedar splint sulfur matches.


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    I has well , love flint and steel and char! Will be watching this for sure and will add a few post has well.
     
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    IMG_2642.JPG B IMG_2641.JPG old pics and kit I made for a GAW . Just got a steel from WCF need to put it to uses in the next few days . Like this thread a lot . Like to hear some things people have tried to char and worked. Thanks a lot for starting this Thread MrFixit
     
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    I had posted this in the tinder bundle thread, but wanted to share my first success with F & S.

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    Great idea. I'll be following this for sure.

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    Finally took some pics of my 2 kits.

    One is surface char punkwood with this funny looking file (sheet metal file?) and my dog collar tin.(great size)
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    Next is my more inclusive kit with WCF striker, 2 flints, a tight little roll of birch bark, a few little squares of paper birch bark, some jute twine, some amadou from my travels up north to upstate NY, a couple pieces of rich fatwood, a piece of lamp wick with foil to snuff the edge, and Altoids tin of char cloth, char punk, and uncharred punk.

    All this fits into my little homemade, self tanned squirrel leather pouch.
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    The file in question is a farrier's rasp. It appears to be only a part of one, as they are much larger.
    I love the set up of your 2nd kit!
     
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    Thank you. I had no idea what the file was, yes it is broken. I have a second smaller one as well. From what I've seen online, that type is also used for smoothing out welds on sheet metal. It was found in my late grandfather's toolbox and he has never touched a horse in his life. (but he did have other odd things I wouldn't have expected)

    I like this style of file for F&S as the sides are already smooth and the teeth go in one direction so as long as you strike in same direction teeth are pointing you get great sparks without any grinding.

    Edit: after some research, it appears to be a car body file and would be longer with another hole in the other end to be held by a carrier to use on a car body to smooth out welds without leaving marks. It wouldn't have a normal handle like most rasps and files do.
     
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    Cool stuff for shure Ineed to set up a new fire kit.
     
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    Here's mine.

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    Great stuff gang !
     
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    I wasn't trying to show the "horizontal method", but yeah, thats it. Its hard to see my blurry hand and steel in the first pic.
    I though the sparks pic was neat. I set the cameral to burst and took a few shots; that was the best. It does show how the horizontal strike shoots sparks down into the tin. If my flint was a little closer to me, more sparks would have went into the tin. I love this new method.
     
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    I like that first tin, how you used very large pieces of punk wood. I usually break mine into small pieces. I don't know why, I just do, but I'm going to try some large pieces now. Mine tin in the pic above shows small pieces of punk and some kind of bracket conk.
     
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    I got that idea from watching some YT vid where a guy had an oval brass snuff tin with flip top lid and his tin had a single piece that pretty much was cut to the exact tin dimensions. I think less air inside means it snuffs out quicker? I dunno. It was very clean looking and he just scraped the surface a little to fluff it up then lit it with F&S and once the surface got a good ember, held his tinder bundle to it and blew into flame then closed the lid. Hard to get a single large chuck to fill my large tin (about as large as 3-4 Altoids tins) but it does seem to last a very long time.
     
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    I was really hoping that this one would work, but I had my doubts. I wanted to see if I could strike sparks off the back of an AK magazine.

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    Zero sparks. Of course the steel was way too soft, but it would have been pretty cool if it worked, so I just had to try. :)

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    This was already an old beater mag body, so I didn't mind the spine getting chewed up, but it ended up with lots of little sharp burs that don't go well with the webbing of your hand. Luckily, the striker that @MrFixIt sent me is still a functional file, so I used it to smooth out the spine.

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    Since using the mag as a striker failed to produce any sparks, I used the file to drop some into a tin full of charred maple bark. Once that was glowing hot I grabbed some punk from a nearby stump and dropped it into the tin.

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    That charred bark is putting out some serious heat; thus charring the punk.

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    Once the punk is involved, it's hot enough to get a flame without any additional tinder.

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    Looking at the photos just made me realize that I should mention that the mag is not loaded. It needs a new follower so it's just the mag body. I don't think the tin would get hot enough to set off live rounds, but I'm not going to conduct that experiment. :)
     
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    One thing that many people don't post about is just how hard carbon steel needs to be to throw sparks. Not just any carbon steel will do. Some carbon steel knives are too soft (at least the spines). This is why files work SOOO well in that they are much harder then tempered knives or axe bits. But hard steel is brittle steel which is why so many of us use broken files as strikers.

    Most dedicated strikers are left VERY hard with just a tiny bit of tempering to throw off good sparks. I'd LOVE to purchase one of WCF striker knives some day. I've read great things about them.

    I am thinking about making a striker knife from a file but am worried about it being too brittle. Still seems like a fun project.
     
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    That would have been epic! I wonder it the magazine's spring would work?
     
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    Are you referring to WCF?

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    I don't know, but I don't mind trying. I knew that being stamped metal, the body probably wouldn't be hard enough, but knowing how versatile Russian weaponry can be gave me false hope.

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    To be fair to the Russains, all of my AK mags are from other nations (Korea, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.). Maybe a true Russian AK mag would throw sparks. :)
     
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    ugh, edited my post and took out the sentence that had that reference. Apparently I can't write a post while watching TV at the same time....

    And yes, I love the looks of their striker knives.
     
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    Charred up a few batches of punk wood today. Was at a French and Indian War era reenactment so I started our fire with flint and steel (obviously) and then replenished my char tins.

    Edit to add: that's a Skab striker gifted to me by Evan Stinson.


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    When the phrase flint and stell comes up in conversation...as rare as that is...this is the exact image that comes to mind. Awesome work my friend.
     
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    Shooting for unorthodox. Steel wool sparked with a modified ceramic knife and franken forged striker I made from a pruning shear blade.
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    I had no idea that would work. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    Awesome! I would have expected that ceramic knife to shatter, and the steel wool to need hotter sparks.
     
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    I have batoned this thing lol. Ceramic knives are a lot tougher than everyone thinks.
     
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    My most compact kit.

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    I really like that pouch!
     
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    Thank you!

    I did a thread about it in Self Made gear a long time ago. I trapped (with a very heavy deadfall) 3 squirrels that were chewing up our attic and getting into our bird feeder. After trapping them, I skinned them and donated the carcasses to the local raptor center to feed some hungry and injured bird of prey. This was my small scale testing of self tanning with only red oak bark and water. No dye was used, just some neatsfoot oil and bees wax. I was surprised how tough and thin squirrel leather is! That antler tip was from the first buck I processed from a local bow hunter who donated it to me.

    Has great sentimental value!
     
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    My larger Flint and Steel kit with fire!

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    No char Flint and Steel setup.

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    Maybe next Friday will start a Flint and Steel fire!
     
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    Char.

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    No char.

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    @field-expedient you should do a write up on that knife man!
     
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    He did a thread on it. Great as always!
     

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