Flint and steel Friday

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    Out standing !!
     
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    not every day that I know of but tuesday...friction fire......thursday...tinder bundle and friday..flint and steel
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    awesome job!
     
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    Found this piece of Quartz out in the field behind my house. Note the pink hue.
    It will strike sparks but not quite as good as flint or chert.
     
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    Here's a few of mine, all forged from old files and sized to fit in a small tin. English black flint. I rarely do two the same, normally knock one or two out while thermal cycling a blade or when the coal is just about used up. IMG_1195.jpg
     
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    Beautiful work sir!
     
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    I made a little campfire this week because I needed to make some more charred cloth, so I trotted out the steel striker and a pebble I found that sparks (maybe jasper?).

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    I used some charred yellow cedar inner bark with jute and some tree lichen for tinder with some Douglas fir fatwood
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    Got the bundle smoking
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    Got the tin heating and a little weenie roast too!

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    The denim made into nice char, I packed it too tightly at first and needed to take some out to allow a bit more air circulation for it to char evenly.

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    I was doing this with the bushclass II in mind, but I later realized that the requirement is to use an improvised steel. Even though I forged this one from an old file, I think I need to use a different tool technically to meet the requirement. Oh well, an excuse for another dinner at the beach...

    Thanks for looking!
     
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    Nice Viking era steel!
     
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    I had one of my buddies I worked with last summer over at the house and he wanted me to show him a primitive fire.

    I settled for a jasper on steel cottonwood bark fire...spark caught on cotton char.

    He was impressed.

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    Almost...

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    Aflame!
     
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    IMG_1205.JPG Finished up a larger one tonight, or rather this morning, prefer forging at night. Wanted to try a large home style, still not crazy about having my knuckles that close to sharp flint, guess I'll have to be careful with it. 4 1/2" long striking face, forged from large Swiss file. Throws good sparks, mainly due to the longer striking surface.
     
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    hello,
    there are some mighty purty fire steels on show here @will52100 & @Red Yeti ;)
    Regards
    David
     
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    hello,
    A selection of a few stones kicked over the past week. I'm in the process of photographing a few stones/agates/cherts as to catalogue the finds & try identify those I'm unsure of via the "stone kicker" community. The recent Scots "monsoon" it's been raining heavy showers at times always 'damp & driech' it isn't cold but gotta make the most of the inclement weather. :( It is however good for "stone kicking" as the rain washes away the top soil etc.. & exposes the heavy agates within the soil content, revealing some awesome finds. 1st image Oxfordshire Ironstone, 2nd image Red Granite, 3rd image Silver Granite. All agates bar the Silver Granite have sharp edges & shew awesome sparks, the edge had to be worked on the Silver Granite & it also did shew awesome sparks. the Oxfordshire Ironstone nodules are sizable & do fit within a 2oz FSK tin, the much larger Granite(s) I'm retaining the size as they can be carried in the pocket, EDC kit pack or FSK pouch. :)
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    Great pictures @Red Yeti! That sausage is making my mouth water. I know I'm BBQ'ing this weekend now!
     
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    If I keep hitting quote to say thanks for all the awesome advice in this thread, I'm going to end up with a three page post. LOL! You guys ROCK!!

    I arrived home yesterday to find a package from one of my YouTube friends in Belgium. It contained a bunch of stuff for the Adventure Girls and a pouch full of flint for Backpackboy and I. With flint from Tennessee and Belgium, I know I WILL make fire by flint and steel.. I think I can. I think I can. I think I can.

    Now to put all this great advice together and practice!!

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    hello,
    @bacpacjac I think we have to nurture & encourage your fire lighting skills, you do have them & have a little faith in yourself. ;)
    BTW that's a nice batch of flint you have there. :)
    Regard
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    Thanks so much, David! :)
     
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    hello,
    @bacpacjac watch this space.. ;)
    Regards
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    Nice steel @will52100 ; I use the pinch method on those to keep the knuckles away. Like your logo.
     
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    I was watching YouTube vids again and wanted to try cat tail fluff as a nest and the inner stick as a spunk. The cat tail fluff is from an old cat tail that had been sitting in the rain all winter before I got it and dried it out. It smoldered well but didn't like to catch flame. The spunk worked well however and I was able to light a candle with it. I used the cat tail nest to get a small fire going in the woodstove for tea.
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    Thanks for the feedback folks, I'm really enjoying this thread. Kind of like sitting around the fire with a few friends.
     
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    hello,
    @Geektrapper Awesome post. What are those pebbles you are using with your steel striker if you don't mind me asking? I've a few unidentified beach pebbles I've picked up "stone kicking" that shew sparks, broken in the same manner to expose a sharp striking edge & inner core. @Red Yeti well Bro if it is kind of like sitting around the fire with a few friends, then it's your turn to both stoke the fire give the embers a poke & make a fresh brew (tea) good lad. :D :44:
    Regards
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    I put together a new old school fire kit, including: @Jacob 's striker, @Broke 's Tennesse flint, Steve's Belgian flint, my lucky quartz rock, a magnifying glass, a little ferro rod, birch bark, jute twine, a tin of char cloth, a bandana and a tin to make more char cloth and one to make natural char. There's a charred lamp wick in there too, along with an alcohol prep pad, and I'm going to slice up that old pair of jeans for charring. :D

    Fire by F&S is my main goal right now, and I'm hoping I can get my fire started with it when I can camping next week. Now, to practice!

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    Looks like a great kit @bacpacjac . That looks like it should cover your needs for sparking a fire. A good bit of charred material is good. Denim works well. I also found some cheap cotton terrycloth rags that make awesome char for getting the hang of it. You might find over time that you can lighten it up a bit by paring down the rocks if you want to. It is nice to have variety and a fresh sharp edge when you need it. I use about 2 feet of just twine for a small birds nest. Good luck, I'm sure you will make it work.
     
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    hello,
    @bacpacjac AWESOME FSK sister. :dblthumb: @Red Yeti I'd leave the kit as it is, if the smaller shards fit inside the tin good, the larger piece (lucky Quartz) can go in the EDC kit bag or pouch. I always carry a selection of rocks from small nodules to larger nodules like so, these make good practice trying out various types of stone/agate/flint/quartz whilst practicing F&S. I'd see the difference if it was a huge boulder but I'm sure bacpacjac is a big girl & more than capable of carrying such. LOL while your waiting to go on your adventure there's always the backyard to hone your FSK skills. Yeah me too R.Y I've no doubts & every confidence in Oor girl here. ;)
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    Thanks guys. I figure that I'll play with various rocks until I get the hang of it. It seems like there's a knack to striking rock and steel, and I haven't get it yet. Persistence in experience pays off though, right? I can't wait to sit around the fire pit in a few days!
     
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    If I have a thin, sharp piece of stone I hold it in my left hand pointing almost vertical. Using a clock with 12 being straight up, I hold it pointing at the 2 position. Then I strike downward on that with the steel. The idea is to slice a piece of steel off the steel with the flint, and that's my 'happy angle.' I put the char on top the steel and that works for me because the sparks are hottest right when they come off the steel.
     
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    Thanks @Stone ! That really helps me visualize. Much appreciated! :)
     
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    Give it a shot and let me know how it works for you.
    Try it first without any char so you are just concentrating on making sparks.
     
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    WOWEEE!! Look what came in the mail today. An awesome gift from @DavidJAFO!

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    Rocks, Amadou and my very own Ray Mears HBC striker. WOW!

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    I couldn't wait, so while the Adventure Girls played at the splash pad, I tried making sparks with the chert. WOW! COOL! That made me feel (over) confident enough to try to get a piece of the Amadou to smoulder.
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    My natural instinct is to strike down on the rock with the steel, and I got lots of sparks that way, but I need to work on my angles, I think. (I kept thinking "2pm" @Stone) I couldn't direct them at all, so I decided to try striking down with the rock onto the steel. It worked well, but I couldn't get any to start the Amadou that way. (Do I need to rough up the Amadou to catch sparks? It's like a shiny piece of thin leather as it is.) All the advice above about striking sparks into your tin of char makes more sense to me now.
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    WOW! Thank you SO much, David! I can't wait for my campfire on Wednesday night!!!
     

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    super nice of him...not knowing amodou but knowing that most things like this need surface area it would make sense to rough it up.
    congrats on all the booty
     
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    hello,
    :eek: ..OMG I'm all embarrassed now Jac. :8: the amadou I've sent a PM to bacpacjac as I waited until the package arrived in Canada then explain the content & use. The agates were all resourced from the UK. The amadou is kinda like a soft textured felt, it will take a spark as it is or you can rough it up a little, scrape it to a fuzzy bundle. BTW you don't need a great deal of amadou use it as you would similar fashion to Char Cloth there's enough in the packet to create a number of embers. I stored the amadou in the same container as @MrFixIt JawJuh phatwood & it does have a slight whiff of phatwood from it. :D (that's an understatement) If you don't have a scraper you could use the back of your knife or make a proper antler scraper from a piece of antler. I'm sure it was @Pastor Chris who sent the photo's of an awesome antler scraper (correction if I am wrong)?
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    @bacpacjac here is an excellent video by MCQ Bushcraft that delves into tinder fungus and amadou...enjoy!


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    That @DavidJAFO is one of the most generous people not only with his gifts but his knowledge as well. I too have been the recipient of his generosity. As he has said of others, "A diamond geezer".
    Yes, fluff up the amadou. get it so that it resembles swede.
     
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    hello,
    @DomC awesome link Bro. @bacpacjac watch the amount of amadou used with the flint & steel to create an ember. BTW Dom the leather pouch used within the demo, I had one of these made by a friend of mine from Norway on a visit to Scotland 2016 for @Mazer BCUSA forum member in a offline GAW. It is made out of Reindeer hide & has an intricate Norwegian design pattern, it's very nice piece of Bushcraft kit & holds a tremendous amount as a FSK pouch. :)
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    hello,
    @Winterhorse Bro thanks for the kind words. :) I just wanted to assist nurture the fire lighting skills of @bacpacjac & as a Canadian Jac hadn't a Hudson Bay Company steel striker, that's sheer sacriledge in my book, similar to a Scotsman without a Dram.. :eek: LMAO.
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    This community is blessed with many members who are genuinely knowledgeable and unselfish with their willingness to share. @DavidJAFO is certainly one of those members.

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    You're correct @DavidJAFO that is a moose antler tinder scraper made by a member here. I added a bow drill divot and then ended up passing it along to another member during one of the Christmas wish lists. It was an item with a lot of utility and authenticity to it for sure. It was especially good for scraping cedar bark into a nice fuzzy bundle.
     
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    hello,
    @Pastor Chris thanks, the grey matters got clogged up a little. :rolleyes: Oh yeah I've always thought it was an awesome tool with loads of potential hence saving the images. Although I still haven't got around to creating one for myself, it's on the to do list. ;)
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