Flint and steel Friday

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  1. beestokk

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    Nice! Never thought to use a hacksaw blade! Just started perusing this thread....dangerous. Haha!
     
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    Dual-purpose ferro rod scraper. The non-toothed side has a nice burr. :) Got the idea from someone on this forum; unfortunately I cannot remember who to credit.
     
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    Gotta start your grill with a flint and steel and newspaper tinder bundle.
     
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    :)

    Did you find some sparky stones?
    Looks like you did!
     
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    Not quite yet it’s been hard to get away. I have one other piece of flint that I’ve been trying to get some good edges out of.
     
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    I use my striker as a pressure flaker to dress the edges sometimes.
     
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    That’s a great tip I need to try that out! I need to go rock hunting. The most obvious place would be flint river, but I think you aren’t allowed to take flint from there.
     
  8. MrFixIt

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    I didn’t know you weren’t allowed to collect from there. I could see folks getting upset over grabbing several pounds but a few flakes...?
     
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    I think it was me! Lol. I recognized that pattern in the rock instantly. It's from flint ridge in central Ohio. I think I still have some left. I've given away most of it. I need to get back down there.
     
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    ferro rod and a big pile of fatwood shavings is my typical startup method. Never occurred to me to use flint and steel for some reason. will be giving that a try this weekend!
     
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    It’s pretty fun and you can use your grill for making more charcloth after your food is done
     
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    That’s word, but I bet you are right about one or two flakes.
     
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    Using a recently acquired F&S striker from @Iron Ram Forge. Works great.
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    Is Mike Ameling still making fire steels? Anyone have contact info for him?
     
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    one strike...?!?!?!? what the heck man.
     
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    Awesome. I've gotta try this technique - only have ever tried charcloth held on the chert and striking with the steel. Impressive!
     
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    Getting the hang of this really made flint and steel a lot easier for me...

     
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    Awesome video! Good tips. Is your char material just any charred, punky wood, prepped the same as one would make charcloth?
     
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    You can definitely cook it in the tin just the same way you would char cloth. It can be easy to overchar it though, so I would recommend pulling it before the smoke/flames stop coming out of the hole. This is probably the best approach if you have damp punk wood to begin with, but I really like using another method that I learned from @Coryphene and others in this thread...

    https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/the-natural-char-thread-post-whats-working-for-you.181096

    There is a lot to read through there, but so much great information.

    The basic idea is that you can make char simply by getting the material to smolder in the open air and then extinguish it by either putting the lid on the tin, or improvising if you don't have one. This chars the outer surface of the punk but leaves more of the material un-burned, which results in longer and hotter burning embers when the sparks land.



    You don't have to use an ember to start the process. Open flames work great, and let you dry out the punk ahead of time. Here are a few more showing making char without a tin..





     
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    Great, thank you. I will take a look at all of that! If charring in the container, you're saying pull it from the heat before the smoke/flames "stop" coming out of the hole? Think there was a typo there so making sure I understand correctly! Thanks!
     
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    Yes..thanks for catching that and asking. I fixed it. Most of the char cloth instruction I see recommends leaving it on until it stops smoking. I don't have a whole lot of experience with cloth, but I do think punk wood can be over-charred in the tin if left on the heat too long.
     
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    Excellent. Thanks much! Great info! I should ask - do you have a preferred wood to use, or any old punky stuff is about the same?
     
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    That's a pretty big topic on its own, but the number one thing to look for is punk that is kind of like a sponge that springs back when you squeeze it. You can see a good example of this at about 25 seconds into this video..

    In the PNW, I tend to get the best stuff from deciduous trees like maples and alders, but our cedars make great punk wood too, so it's not hard rule.
     
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    Thank you! Didn't mean to overwhelm the thread, but hope those responses are helpful to others as well. Carry on with your good work!
     
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    @beestokk you didn’t overwhelm anything.
    I appreciate the fact that you asked questions and got great answers.
    This is what it’s all about!
     
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    Just what makes this place great! Thanks all!
     
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    Per advice of others I switched out my altoids tin to a shoe polish tin for my char cloth. Heading out tomorrow for a small breakfast in the woods with flint/steel/chaga. It's finally dry enough for a tinder bundle!
     
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    Just putting a place marker in this thread for myself. I have not noticed this thread before as I had never tried flint and steel. Looks like a lot of information here I need to read through when I have time. Now that I have a kit, I will try to participate.
     
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    I highly recommend going to the shared resources page and getting chaga as a coal extender.
     
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    @chansta do you have a link to the "shared resources" page? I haven't seen it and can't find it.
     
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    It’s in the supporters trade blanket Under want to trade local resources
     
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    Thank you for the info. I had not heard of this before. Thanks for asking @Stone
     
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    A break in the weather coincided with a chance for me to head outside so... I watched Dan @Coalcracker Bushcraft (and tv's Alone) light a candle with F&S this morning and since I've never tried it before, and it's been a long time since I've practiced striking sparks into my char tin, I decided to give it a go. Twice! :) You can check out Dan's F&S candle lighting instructional videos here is you are interested:



    And this one too:

    Here's mine:



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    Step 1: Get your char tin going with F&S. I struck sparks right into the tin, but you could use a more traditional approach. I didn't dump tin once today. WIN!

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    Use your now smouldering char to ignite your candle by being patient and blowing until you get flames.Don't be stingy with the charred tinder. ;)

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    WOO HOOOO!!

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    Interesting.
    I didn't realize melting wax was actually flammable. I've never seen it come to flame.
     
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    Re-watching my video, I think I should have put the candle above the ember, instead of the wick. It might have caught faster. A few seconds could make the difference in the rain.
     
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    Yeah, coalcracker said it was the dripping wax that hit the ember that made the flame that lit the candle that bacpacjac saw ;)
     
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    Weird when you actually try stuff for yourself instead of just watching someone else do it. I think I understand, but then when I try it I get so into the moment that I forget important steps. Like my first ever CPR certification test when I was in high school. TOTALLY forgot the jaw thrust on my Annie. DOH!! When I video, I ALWAYS find stuff I did wrong or could do better. Not advocating for video, mind you. ;) Some of us hate that around here. LOL!
     
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    I'm just the opposite.
    When instructions are outlined I follow them to the letter, even if I have my doubts :D
    Just like I can see me trying that and a drip of wax knocking out my ember. I guess that's why he said it uses more embers than you'd think. Or at least a concentration of them where the wax is going to hit.

    Might have to try this...
     
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    Give it a go! It's satisfying, even when you realize later that you could have done it better but it's really raining now and the kids just got home from school.....
     
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    Alrighty @bacpacjac, here is my go at lighting a candle with F&S. I haven't made any videos in a while so I figured I would do that as well. Thanks for the challenge, and it was fun, just like you said!
     
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    Holy cow.
    Nice job!
    That burst right into flames. And I loved the horizontal approach to striking into the tin. It seems counter-productive, but the proof is in the one strike pudding.
     
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    Nicely done!
     
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    lol, it normally takes a few more strikes than that, but hey those strikers @Red Yeti makes are pretty awesome!
     
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    I guess.
    I'll have to try his strikers next time I get the itch to order one from here.
     
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    Nicely done Bud!

    :38::38:
     
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    It's actually quite fascinating to see how our ancestors managed to strive and survive. I kinda feel that we have gone somewhat "soft" with each generation :/
     
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    That's fine by me. I like having the toilet inside the house.
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