Found a Plumb Axe at a gun show

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  1. PAcanis

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    I know nothing about them, but I see the word "Plumb" come up here often enough to know they must be good, or at least sought after. When I saw this one at a gun show with the BSA logo on it I figured it was a good buy.
    The guy said he didn't know why the sheath had a GS logo on it, but a little Googling tells me they had their version, too. And from a link I found, I believe the axe is 1936-37. That kind of blew my mind.

    Here she be.

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    Official Scout Axe (very faint)
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    Is there any collectibility to these? OK to make it a user?
     
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    That's a fine looking hatchet. Well done!
     
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    I don't know anything about collector's value but they make great users.
     
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    I'd call it very collectable. (Especially with the cover and the personalization) That is, if you collect axes. The axe market is strong but fickle. I'd keep dolling out the 401 contributions regardless. Very nice axe. I wouldn't hesitate to use it if you are so inclined. You'd be hard pressed to find as good a tool today.
     
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    It ain't worth a darn young fellar, send it to me and ya won't have to suffer the shame. Really! good find, and it doesn't need restoring. Just a little edge touch up. Ya done good!!!! joe
     
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    Nice find. There are a lot of BSA hatchets out there but yours has great stamps. I would certainly use it, that’s what they are made for.
     
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    That's a very nice example for its age. If you're gonna use it you may consider rehafting it as it looks like it's sitting on a significant shelf and would likely loosen after a few whacks. Is the eye filled in? Perhaps a shot of it?
     
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    Use it, that's what they are ment for! Good snag for sure.
     
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    I would have snapped that up too! Maybe put in a new wedge if it is loose but keep that old handle and sheath with it. It has a mystery story with Doby Dorothy Green putting her initials and girl scout emblem on the sheath of a boy scout hatchet.
     
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    The head was tight at the gun show, but I took one whack at the stump in the pics and instead of sticking it chipped a piece out. Probably from the stump being frozen. And I just checked and the head had loosened :( But there was a screw in it so I gave it half a turn and it's tight again. The screw looks as old as the axe and is nicely centered, like it's original. Not like how you see some axes bubba'ed.
    That's why I was wondering about using it. Kind of like how if a guy wants to shoot his original Luger they recommend putting different grips on it so the originals don't crack. I don't want to mess it up. And I do have a Wetterlings Expedition hatchet which is barely heavier. Maybe I'll just set it with the rest for now :)

    Here's the eye
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    If you don't use it someone else will...nice scorrrre
     
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    Oh my that's a nice one. I think the screw is original, and that's even better.
    Depending on how much you paid for it, that's a great score.
    Most definitely collectable in that condition and configuration. Personally I don't think I'd use it, having multiple other hatchets that I've restored, but if you want/need to it's definitely up to the task.
    Beautiful hatchet.
     
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    It was $40. I didn't even haggle because it seemed worth it.
    Thanks for the info on the screw @Ptpalpha
     
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    Good price. I would have bought it too.
     
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    Chisel that little shoulder on the haft out from under the head. Wack the bottom of the handle to seat it nice and solid. Then just drive the wedge on down into the head and see how it goes. I'd try to hang on to it original as long as I could.
     
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    Nice one. Beautiful stamps, original plumb snap on the sheath, the original handle and tightening screw.......

    I'd use it since it's not NOS, but carefully.
     
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    The screws along with a wooden wedge are original, if possible try to follow the lead of the other posts and raconteur the haft to allow the head to seat 1/2"-3/4" lower to preserve the look....nice find.
     
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    Thanks for the tips, guys.
    I've never messed with handles/rehafting other than a Cold Steel hatchet to get the hawk head to seat better without that set screw. I imagine it's the same principle.

    Do I leave the wedge and screw where they are at when I re-seat the head, or should I loosen the screw?
    I imagine the handle is going to be a different color under the head. The guy I bought it from said he rubbed it down with hemp oil, and it sure smells like it was rubbed a lot with something. Kind of a pleasant smell. But if I want to preserve the look I'll have to try and match the presently unexposed wood. How is that done? Stain?
     
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    NICE CHOPPER!

    those are good tools and that one hasn't been abused

    take care of it and it will serve you well for many years to come

    and it will be a fine HAND ME DOWN...
     
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    Back in my day we rubbed the handle down with used motor oil, and let it dry in the sun.

    I'd back the screw out before setting the head. If the wedge comes out, remove it too, then drive the head down and then replace the wedge then the screw. Also, before driving the wedge in, fill the kerf with BLO, and let it soak in for a while. Then coat the wedge with BLO and drive it home, then replace the screw.
     
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    Here is mine. Its the same head with different stampings. They are excellent little splitters. I definitely use mine. IMG_20181129_093545313~2.jpg
     
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    I would remove the screw before adjusting the seating depth on the handle and driving the wedge in further. Once you are happy with your work, only then would I put the screw back in.
     
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    Excellent find!
     
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    Those are great little hatchets. They have some collector value but mostly if they’re 100% original and even then, let’s face it, it’s a hatchet not an original’63 Grand Sport Corvette. I’d use it but not abuse it. It’s a neat little piece of history. The handle was probably originally stained red, Plumb called it “ mohoganizing” and the butt of the handle may have been painted as well. I’d back off the adjustment screw, jog the head on good with a few whacks to the butt, then tighten the screw. The “ninja shelf” isn’t ideal but on a 14” hatchet that’s used respectfully I doubt it makes much difference. Great find, enjoy it!
     
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    Hemp oil?!? Sure hope you don't get the munchies when you use that hatchet! :D
     
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    Ya know... the seller had quite a little diatribe about hemp as we were chatting...

    He was mentioning about how hemp is illegal to grow in several states (incl KY. I got the feeling he was from KY), but the hemp plant used for making rope and oil isn't really related to the hemp known for "other uses". And it is a great cash crop because of it's multiple uses.
    As someone who recently wanted to buy 75' of hemp rope and ended up going with poly-something at 30% the cost, he had me wondering. Hemp ain't cheap and maybe it is regulated. He said that there is a push to make growing hemp in KY legal.

    Anyway, I got the impression, oil not withstanding, that this gentleman with long silver hair and beard really liked his hemp :)
     
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    Looks like he liked his axe at least as much as his hemp.
     
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    Did he look anything like this?? LOL
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    Welcome to the axe-a-holics club!
     
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    Ha! No, not Willie.
    He resembled some of the members here ;)
     
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    Ahhhh, I see. Well, I have no affinity for anything hemp related, my hair needs cut but isn't long and it's only starting to turn silver...but man so I love my axes! :14:
     
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    Nice catch! Was that the show in Harrisburg? I heard they had a lot of airguns there!
     
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    Nice find! And you are correct that it is a 1936-37 version of the Plumb BSA. The squared poll and the word Guaranteed place it in those years. Nice find! Oh, and that original screw wedge is worth a few buck just by itself.;)

    Ryan Landin, who is on this forum but whose username I don't recall at the moment, put together a Plumb BSA timeline document that is available on the Axe Junkies page on Facebook. I think that you may have already found it, but just in case you haven't, it's at https://lookaside.fbsbx.com/file/Pl...WhQLCtMxdcc2JNFMKExr1UGKEEXbVRwTX5g701DkTJ_Lw

    It's a handy resource for dating Plumb BSA axes.

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    No, up by Erie. Harborcreek VFD. Their next one is in March It's either snowing or raining whenever they have a gun show :33:
     
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    Yes, that seems to be the same source. Fortunately someone on the forum thread I had found posted this link for us non-FB people.
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsJA490PbH_zii5sxPRPINgfkL193ccY/view
    You can't view it from FB unless you are logged in. Excellent info he put together.
     
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    FYI: there is an eBay listing right now for two of the original tension screws for these hatchets.
    Figured now that you're a collector and all you might want to have some on hand for the next one...:D
     
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    Alright you enabler, haha.
    I'm pretty sure one will do me just fine.
     
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    Enabler?! Well I never.
    s-l640.jpg 1940s-plumb-boy-scout-hatchet-fleur_1_49ec513b4f7d8d4dbedb5eeb7562e192.jpg Hatchet_2.jpg
     
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    I'll be up there in a couple weeks...too bad they won't have a show going on then.
     
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    here is a site i use when i either have free time and/or am traveling and can spare some time

    https://gunshowtrader.com

    you can easily search particular areas and dates to enhance your travels/time

    enjoy
     
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    Now there's an enabler :dblthumb:
     
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    That's very nice. Considering its condition and being all original hardware I personally would be more inclined to preserve it. Had it been broken or already had the handle replaced then it would be a good user.
     
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    I've never seen a screw mentioned as factory for any of the Plumb axes I've researched. interesting...
     
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    It's not a normal screw, it's shaped like a cone. Here's what they look like:
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    To the best of my knowledge they were only used on the scout hatchets, but I could be wrong on that.
     
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    I've seen some of those somewhere before, but dang if I can remember where! Lol
     
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    Got a lathing hatchet this summer that has a take up wedge,think they used them on hammers too.Would keep it in the house its in real nice shape.
     
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