found hatchet head, can use restore and rehandle advice

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  1. KnOeFz

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    Last summer in France in the Loire river my GF found an old hatchet head.
    I love how it's shaped and when I have some time I'd like to try and give it a new life.
    Brush up the steel a bit, and rehandle the thing.

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    inscription is hard to read
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    I have no clue what type of handle should go on a model like this.
    Something straight like a hammer? Or more curved like plain hatchets?
    Any advise and info on the thing is welcome.
     
  2. dirt7

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    I would think you want a straight handle on it, since it has the shape of a tomahawk. It looks great!
     
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    Agreed with @dirt7 looks like a hawk type handle socket. A angle grinder or drill with a wirewheel. Will take off the bulk of surface rust. After that I'd look for cracks and failure points. Have fun and post lots of pics. ;)
    Cheers Jim
     
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    European made. It's weight is stamped in grams. 600 grams = 1.4 pounds. That looks like a great find. I'll agree it looks like it has a slide in tomahawk handle. It looks a lot like a poll hawk.
    I would vinegar soak it. That would reveal the markings better.
     
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    hello,
    @KnOeFz I photo shopped enlarged the image from a side view, & you can just about make out the marking & the name stamp. *I think the last 2 digits maybe a date 8? I'm working on it Photoshop plugins.
    A very nice find BTW.
    Regards
    David

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    That, Sir is a cool find.

    Use a wire brush and some vinegar to remove and kill the rust. I would be careful using power brushes unless your not worried about loosing metal (not a lot but some).
     
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    Coca Cola also works great to cut rust, I would go with a straight handle looks more like. Tomahawk. Great find.
     
  8. KnOeFz

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    Thanks for all tips and thinking with me.
    Much appreciated.
    Great to see you guys are as exited ad I am about this thing.
    Typical european wood for a tool handle would be Ash or Beech wood.
    Any pro or cons I should know? Wgat will be the better choice?
    Plenty of beech trees where I live... Ash I have to look a bit harder.
    Hope to get a piece out of the forrest to make a handle.
     
  9. KnOeFz

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    Why didt I think of this.
    Awesome job!
     
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    Ash would be the better choice, but either one will work. The handle should average 40-55cm long (16-21 inches) for that type of head. Another product I like to use for rust removal is Naval Jelly. The primary chemical in Naval Jelly is phosphoric acid, if that helps you any.

    Anxious to see how this project turns out! ;)
     
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    So jealous.....

    I would just wire brush it and hit it with some oil and call it done. Profile it and sharpen it up. Socket handle just like a hawk.

    Very nice axe.
     
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    I made a newbie mistake with my first home made handle. I figured I could cut a fat branch. Dry it and taper it to a handle. But the pith is basically a void in the center. Make sure you use a outside section large enough to cut down to the size you want. I use a rasp for most shaping woodworking. To get the end to a a given diameter. I use a spade bit in a drill. Turn it just fast enough to etch a circle in the end grain. Then rasp close to the line. Leave enough for file and sand paper. You can always take a little more off. But you can't put it back. Have fun.
    Cheers Jim
     
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    I think something like this will look good on it:

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    hello,
    @KnOeFz :eek: Oh WOW that's my next year 'want' as I'm looking for a NEW hatchet. A wee trip to the Bushcraft store for a hand axe Gränsfors Bruk ..but a hawk like so has been a want for sometime nothing fancy. I'm still trying to Photoshop with plugins, & to enlarge the image with an attempt on the name, which still eludes me. I'm trying shadow effect, I.R, B&W.. :rolleyes: lots of great solutions (pun intended) to clean up & reveal the brand name of the axe head. :)
    Regards
    David
     
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    great find and love the blade profile...I agree on starting easy with some rust remover like vinegar etc. and go from there. looks like you will need to remove some metal on the hammer end since it is mushroomed up some. the vinegar does miracles in being able to read the writing after you have left it in a bath for around 24 hours.
     
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    The beauty got a name, a french 'hachette de ménage'

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    I agree, straight handle. I have a French axe that is very similar. I am told they were carpenter axes for the wine barrel trade.
     
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    yeah a vinegar soak for several days and the rust'll come right off
     
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    I think it’s a tomahawk not a hatchet house handles has decent tomahawk handles. I’d do a 12-24 hour vinegar soak to remove the rust.
     
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    To long and the vinegar will etch the steel excessively. Wire brush, then soak for a few hours and brush again. Repeat until it looks nice and has no rust.
     
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    had some time to star the restoration yesterday and today.

    First step: removing the rust.

    after 4 hours soaking in vinegar:
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    After 10 hours soaking and some scrubbing with a steel wire brush the result I'm very happy with:

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    Makersmark became readable again: Goldenberg 86
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    Wow it's pretty already :)
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    next step: make a handle out of this piece of ash(?) wood from an old shovel
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    to be continued :)
     
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    Hey there. Nice work on a good looking project! Hoping you continue to post pics until you've completed the project
     
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    Looks good!!! Just remember a hawk handle has no wedge in it. It’s friction fit. I’m fact I think I have a brief “how to” on my YouTube channel. Let me see if I can find a link.

    EDIT: Yup, here it is :dblthumb:

     
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    hello,
    AWESOME @KnOeFz finally a makers mark & name. Goldenberg was a French tool company founded by Gustav Goldberg. They were bought out by Stanley in the 80's. Goldenberg & Co started making hardware & edged tools around 1851 ( Alsace) & merged with another company in 1924, then merged with peugeot freres, & ceased in the mid 80s when Stanley took them over. :)
    This is still on my likes :p licks for 2019. https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/thre...tore-and-rehandle-advice.233710/#post-4049199
    Regards
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    Cold Steel Trailhawk
     
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    hello,
    Aye @MrFixIt I was droolin' looking at those. the more used look as per the image posted by @KnOeFz I do like :p lick that one.
    Regards
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    I've done several. Remove the coating, soak the head in vinegar, cut the handle down shorter.

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    hello,
    Yeah I like that @MrFixIt most axe heads I've had/have are treated similar. My preference natural & kinda aged feel. :)
    Regards
    David
     
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    Indeed. Note the filework...
     
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    soaked a rusted head for three days, the HEAVY (1/8") rust came off in a sheet with no etching problems at all
     
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    Are these still being made, if so where can they be purchased? Inquiring minds want to know.......
    Thanks!
    Dan
     
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    Hope to have time to continue this soon.
    Thanks for all info and feedback
     
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