Friction Fire Tuesday

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  1. Stone

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    The polls are closed. I trust y'all voted.

    A couple hand drill embers today on unique wood combinations.

    Mule fat spindle on grape hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on grape hearth. I actually went all the way through the hearth AND leather before coming up with this ember.

    Manzanita spindle on cottonwood hearth.jpg
    Manzanita spindle on cottonwood hearth. Went almost all the way through this hearth...

    Thanks to @Shnick for the manzanita; @Gruntinhusaybah for the mule fat; and @Seahunter for the grape. I gathered the cottonwood in either Utah or Idaho.
     
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    @Stone you're an inspiration man!
     
  3. Stone

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    Thank you! By the way, I have made hand drill embers on 30 different hearth woods using the mule fat you sent.
     
  4. Guillaume Longval

    Guillaume Longval Friction Fire Addict

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    its been a while since i last made a friction fire, longer still for a hand drill

    had spindles to test, so i went outside (beyween episodes of drizzle) and went for it. my first divot broke apart, but i got two embers after that. both mullein on fir. embers took their sweet time to form in that humidity... IMG_20181107_172803503.jpg IMG_20181107_173404612.jpg

    yeah, very windy too

    no blisters! although i pushed it a little. my arms though could need some practice.
     
  5. Stone

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    Three unique hand drill embers tonight:

    Honey locust root spindle on English walnut hearth.jpg
    Honey locust root spindle on English walnut hearth. I've got a photo of the ember shining brightly, but I like this one better with the smoke. Thanks to @ArmyMacE for the honey locust root.

    Honey locust root spindle on grape hearth.jpg
    Honey locust root spindle on grape hearth. Thanks to @Seahunter for the grape.

    Mullein spindle on English walnut hearth.jpg
    Mullein spindle on English walnut hearth.

    The English walnut came from my uncle's yard in eastern Washington. The mullein I gathered on my own in Boise.

    Oh, and I used the okra I grew last year in my Boise garden as a hearth...it was too pithy centered to work as a hearth. I might be successful later on using some smaller pieces as a spindle...stay tuned!
     
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  6. Stone

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    Four hand drill embers on unique combinations tonight.

    Honey locust root spindle on cherry hearth.jpg
    Honey locust root spindle on cherry hearth.

    Honey locust root spindle on mahogany hearth.jpg
    Honey locust root spindle on mahogany hearth.

    Honey locust root spindle on palo verde hearth.jpg
    Honey locust root spindle on palo verde hearth.

    Honey locust root spindle on willow hearth.jpg
    Honey locust root spindle on willow hearth.

    Thanks to @ArmyMacE for the honey locust root; and thanks to @Jacob for the palo verde.
     
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    Walnut, I was sure that was not possible. I would not be surprised now if you succeeded with a chicken bone.
     
  8. Stone

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    Four new hand drill embers this evening:

    Honey locust root spindle on balsam fir hearth.jpg
    Honey locust root spindle on balsam fir hearth.

    Honey locust root spindle on quaking aspen hearth.jpg
    Honey locust root spindle on quaking aspen hearth.

    Honey locust root spindle on saguaro rib hearth.jpg
    Honey locust root spindle on saguaro rib hearth.

    Honey locust root spindle on western hemlock hearth.jpg
    Honey locust root spindle on western hemlock hearth.

    Thanks to @ArmyMacE for the honey locust root. Thanks to @NWPrimate for the western hemlock. Thanks to @Jacob for the saguaro rib. My Christmas tree one year provided the balsam fir (I think). And the quaking aspen came from a buddy in Maine who is not part of this forum.
     
  9. ArmyMacE

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    Hey @Stone have you tried the actual Honey Locust wood I sent yet? I’ve had some difficulties with it, but when it pops out an ember they are hot! Works great for bow drill!
     
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    Here is a pic of what I am calling honey locust root. Hopefully I didn't label this wrong; I don't think I did, but correct me if I am.
    Honey locust root.jpg

    Here is a used piece with the same bark pattern as above that I named Honey locust root.
    Drilled Honey locust root.jpg


    This piece looks different (more red in the wood) and you labeled this plain (above ground) "honey locust" wood.

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    If all that is correct, I don't think I have tried the above ground part of honey locust yet. But I will shortly!
     
  11. Stone

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    The original gift:
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  12. ArmyMacE

    ArmyMacE Husband, Father, Skills Practitioner Supporter

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    Nope, you have it right. I was just curious.

    There was a couple of each I thought...

    I tried to keep it all organized because you’re very astute at keeping track of your combinations achieved. I’m not good at keeping track of them for myself.

    I’m glad your enjoying the materials! Keep up the awesome work!

    Thanks,

    Jarrod
     
  13. Stone

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    I got a hand drill ember with the honey locust wood using a fennel spindle tonight. It's about the only main spindle wood I had on hand that I hadn't gotten an ember on the root with. And since I am considering the root and the wood the same plant, I needed to get something unique.

    Fennel spindle on honey locust wood hearth.jpg
    Fennel spindle on honey locust wood hearth.

    Fennel spindle on grand fir hearth.jpg
    Fennel spindle on grand fir hearth.

    Notice how the fennel spindle plug is almost not visible after making the second ember. I had to use my handy corkscrew-like tool to pull the spindle plug.
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    pulled fennel spindle.jpg
     
  14. Stone

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    Two more embers tonight.

    Teasel spindle on palo verde hearth.jpg
    Teasel spindle on palo verde hearth.

    Teasel spindle on western hemlock hearsth.jpg
    Teasel spindle on western hemlock hearth.

    Thanks to @Jacob for the palo verde; thanks to @NWPrimate for the western hemlock.
     
  15. NWPrimate

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    I tried an indoor-dried big leaf maple spindle on a cedar hearth but couldn't get it to go. I can tell I'm out of practice.

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    Three failed attempts at mullein on heavy frost frozen yucca...

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    Thanks,

    Jarrod
     
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    Well I hadn’t had success in a little while, lots of experimenting. Lots of learning...

    So still experimenting, and still waiting to have some success I opted for a bow drill.

    I had collected a bunch of stuff while doing a quick outing by the creek, picked up other people’s garbage, and some materials that still had frost and water in them.

    I had some family obligations so I left the collection of materials on my back deck.

    When we got home I went over and proceed to knock out an ember with slow burn in of the two divots, then I cut one notch.

    The pictures tell the rest...

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    Thanks,

    Jarrod
     
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  18. Stone

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    I've been wanting to crank out a few embers lately...but yesterday I got a flu shot. Didn't feel any negative affects, but didn't seem to have the energy to put into a hand drill ember. That plus I have some other stuff going on that is slightly higher priority. But mostly it's what I'm calling residual flu shot syndrome. :);)
     
  19. ArmyMacE

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    I took on the @kcardwel Double Ember Challenge...

    Ken’s Double Ember challenge makes a good break between chores. Back to backyard maintenance and wintering the home.

    Burn in...

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    Cutting in notches...

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    Evening out the notches...

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    Achieving two embers at once is kinda cool...

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    Even with evening out the notches one ember is still larger than the other...

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    Impressive that it didn’t break...

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    So I scrape the two into one...

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    It smoldered for 15 minutes before I stamped it out...

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    Thanks,

    Jarrod
     
  20. Stone

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    Five unique hand drill embers tonight. Here's the first three.

    Marigold spindle on California buckeye hearth.jpg
    Marigold spindle on California buckeye hearth.

    Marigold spindle on desert willow hearth.jpg
    Marigold spindle on desert willow hearth.

    Marigold spindle on grape hearth.jpg
    Marigold spindle on grape hearth.

    Thanks to @Seahunter for the grape and California buckeye. Thanks to @Jacob for the desert willow.
     
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    Here are the last two unique hand drill embers for the night.

    Marigold spindle on lavender root hearth.jpg
    Marigold spindle on lavender root hearth.

    Marigold spindle on palo verde hearth.jpg
    Marigold spindle on palo verde hearth.

    Thanks to @Jacob for the palo verde and @ArmyMacE for the lavender root.

    With the addition of these embers I have managed to get 600 unique hand drill embers for the calendar year so far. Thanks for all the generous offers of wood/weeds that I don't find in my area of operation.
     
  22. Youcantreadinthedark

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    That's a dang fine looking knife. :4: Glad to see it's still in service.
     
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    Of course! It was made by one of the outstanding craftsmen that frequent this very forum.
    You might know him...fly fisherman, woodworker, fiber twister, South American traveler who speaks very good Spanish, well read sort of bushcrafter...
     
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    Pulled off a coal with some twisted cordage from my tee shirt.
    It worked but had a heck of a time until I tied off the back end, couldn't keep tension on the back
    half of the cordage.
    I see it done here from time to time.
    Not sure how this is being pulled off?
    I played with the coal till it went out, forgot to get a Polaroid of it..........



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    Great to see you playing with this stuff again @Not Sure ! :dblthumb:

    Tomorrow will be easier. :D

    That t-shirt material is strong enough to grip the spindle without being reverse-wrapped, so you can cut a much thinner strip and just twist it it without doubling it over. Fabric has a ton of stretch to it so really stretch it out by hand first so it doesn't loosen up while you're drilling.

    Finally, getting the cloth wet will make it grip the spindle and keep it from slipping. You can double wrap it if you still have an issue, but I don't think you will.


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  26. Not Sure

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    That looks a lot easier, I was hoping you would jump in and show the way..........
    I was pretty sure if it was something new to me, you would already have mastered it.
    Are you tying off both ends?
     
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    I don't remember, but I doubt it. I would have most likely wrapped the rear end around my hand and fingers to control the tension, and make it easier on the fabric, but it might hold up to be being tied to both ends.
     
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    Pics of my first White Pine Kit, I had it stuck in my head all these years to never use pine.
    Too much resin..........I think Ponderosa Pine, but not all Pine.
    Cut this year getting firewood, I only see white pine above 3500-ish feet.
    Makes great tea..............

    Yakima River, in the Canyon......

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    Pulled off a coal with my improvised "kinda" hand drill.
    Don't know what the plug was but it worked great....

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    Attempts at a fire Bamboo Fire Saw....................all smoke no fire.


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    Each hash mark is a attempt..........

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    Good times...............
     
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    For a friction fire hearth I like Ponderosa pine better than eastern white pine. I have had embers with both! I have yet to try western white pine, or any other pines.
     
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    I haven't tried fire saw...yet.
    My experience with smooth host spindles is my hands slip on them a lot. If I had an opportunity I would wrap the host spindle with athletic tape to increase grip. Good Going!
     
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    I am teaching a bowdrill class soon so I got some promotional video material this weekend. It was eastern white cedar kit (my absolute favorite) and a goldenrod and cattail tinder bundle.
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    Another humbling hand drill attempt with a pre-dried salmonberry spindle on a fresh cedar hearth.

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    I think I need to decide whether to jump back into hand drilling full bore, or take a break from it; because half-assing it and trying to spin an ember every so often doesn't seem to be working for me.
     
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    Great job all and @ArmyMacE for doing the double embers!
     
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    Freezing rain outside, so let’s go work on hand drill in it...


    There was a very noticeable difference in speed of an ember, by speed I mean it took forever. The yucca seems to just suck up the moisture out of the air.

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    The spilt up willow and cedar took off as if I dumped gasoline on it though...

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    Thanks,

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  36. Stone

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    Four Thanksgiving hand drill embers on unique wood combinations:

    Mule fat spindle on English walnut hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on English walnut hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on pecan hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on a pecan hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on quaking aspen hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on a quaking aspen hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on vine maple hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on a vine maple hearth.

    Thanks to @Gruntinhusaybah for the mule fat; thanks to @NWPrimate for the vine maple.
     
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    Silver fir on silver fir.

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    nice closeup...they have such cool cones
     
  39. Stone

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    Three new hand drill embers tonight...after all it is black Friday...

    Mule fat spindle on Pacific madrone hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on Pacific madrone hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on sunflower root hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on sunflower root hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on western hemlock hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on western hemlock heath.

    Again, thanks to @Gruntinhusaybah for the mule fat; thanks to @NWPrimate for the western hemlock.

    Note: I had a heck of a time getting that short spindle plug out of the host spindle after doing that sunflower root ember! The gimlet I use would not bite well enough. I tried putting a screw into the end of the plug and pulling the plug that way, but that didn't work either. Then I succeeded by drilling the plug out a lot, then putting the gimlet back into the plug and pulling it. That was as much a workout as making the embers!
     
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    Four hand drill embers on this cold Friction Fire Tuesday. It's 12 degrees F heading for 5 tonight!

    Only three of my hand drill embers were unique, as I got one of the combos earlier. But I'll show you that cool ember anyway.
    One shot is somewhat out of focus, but I thought you might want to see a black walnut hand drill ember anyway.

    Mule fat on black walnut.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on black walnut hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on chinkapin hearth.jpg Mule fat spindle on chinkapin hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on plum hearth.jpg Mule fat spindle on plum hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on willow hearth.jpg Here's the non-unique ember...mule fat on willow. But I liked the shot anyway.

    Thanks to @Gruntinhusaybah for the mule fat; and I believe @kcardwel supplied the chinkapin--thank you.
     
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    I imagine you got the willow yourself from your area; many species, native all around the world. Willow was used here by native tribes for FF, and I’ve read it was used in Europe as well. I do willow on willow hand drill since it is so common, but a bit more difficult. More suited for bowdrill.
     
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    Indeed...and local to Idaho, rather than MN where I am now. I just lump the Salix sp into a general "willow" category and leave it at that.

    The plum came from my yard (in Idaho), the black walnut came from my uncle in eastern WA,
     
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    Halloween pumpkin stem found on the roadside. Very fragile, but the ember came easily on second go.
     
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    I like using pumpkin stems for a hearth, but only have six successes probably because of a lack of stem abundance. Two of those were hand drill embers, one with sunflower and one with yucca. Time to give it another try as my stem from this year looks good. Last year I went to a grocery store and asked for their broken off stems left in the bottom of the barrels when they were done. Those stems would not produce hand drill embers for me...I am guessing it had to do with when they were harvested, but I don't know.
     
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    I made six unique hand drill embers tonight!
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    Mule fat spindle on a box elder hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on cherry hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on a cherry hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on lavender root hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on a lavender root hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on Purshia Cliff Rose hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on cliff-rose (Purshia sp) hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on sagebrush hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on sagebrush hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on western larch hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on a western larch hearth.

    Special thanks are in order! Mule fat from @Gruntinhusaybah; cliff-rose from @Jacob; Lavender root from @ArmyMacE. Cherry and western larch were from my uncle in eastern Washington state. I gathered the sagebrush in Idaho. I think this piece of box elder came from a gent I work with in Missoula, MT...but I also think I have a piece of it from @Badey.
     
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    ...and after a break I got another couple of unique hand drill embers.

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    Mule fat spindle on a river birch hearth.

    Mule fat spindle on a hickory hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on a hickory hearth.

    River birch was from the yard of @ArmyMacE.
    Hickory was from @jcl-MD (a long time ago).
    Mule fat was from...@Gruntinhusaybah.

    Thank you one and all.
     
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    It's funny...I had no problem getting hand drill embers on cherry, black walnut and hickory with a mule fat spindle, but I am unable to get an ember using the same on basswood! That's more evidence of why I don't trust the "fingernail method" of testing for friction fire woods.
     
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    i've had some more practice in this week-realized that i've been getting out of the house early enough that i could crank out a coal (or try to) each morning before leaving. [​IMG]
    got this guy friday morning. first time using basswood for a hearth, and i think i'm in love! even better and easier than my cedar fire board!

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    did it again when i got home, with a longer spindle (i think this one was honeysuckle?)

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    it was a success!
     
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    Three hand drill embers after dinner tonight.

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    Mule fat spindle on a beech hearth.

    mule fat spindle on black locust hearth.jpg
    Mule fat spindle on black locust hearth.

    The third one gets its own listing. Meanwhile, thanks to @Gruntinhusaybah for the mule fat. Thanks to @Youcantreadinthedark for the beech.
     
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    The third hand drill ember:
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    Beargrass hand drill spindle plug on a pumpkin stem hearth. This one was tough because the hearth was short to begin with, and I broke it twice at the notch...as indicated by the chunks of pumpkin stem laying to the right of the ember.

    Beargrass was compliments of @Jacob, thank you.
     

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