Get home bag with a twist

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  1. Broke

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    So it looks like I am.going back to my last job riding around on trains. As such my get home strategy for my current job, 9 miles from home, won't work.
    I am putting together a kit, to be usable in multiple enviroments, urban center 20 miles from home, to middle of nowhere, 120 miles from home.
    I can not carry a firearm, I cannot carry a knife with a blade over 4.5".
    I do have a large pack, full of stuff like clothes, toiletries, rule books, lantern, headlamp, flashlight, binoculars. There is a decent first aid kit onboard, and I will carry a small kit as well.
    I will have my lunchbox, usually with extra food, instant coffee, snacks, etc, I carry an MRE in my bag as a backup in case we get stranded and I run out of food.
    We typically have quite a bit of water, 2 or 3 8 fluid Oz bottle flats of 12 or 24 ea.

    I am looking at low weight things like:
    Poncho, I carry rain gear so this is more for shelter/camouflage
    Woobie
    Mylar blanket
    Cordage
    Mora light my fire
    Water purification kit, sawyer mini water purification tabs
    Stain less steel cup
    Nalgene bottle
    Shumaga (sp)
    Sling shot?
    Snare wire?

    What am I missing?
    Adam G
     
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    Folding saw. Invaluable. No matter what, always one of my most used pieces of kit. Buck Tree Saw is 4.5 oz on my scale. 127g. But Couglins works just as well for the price n weight

    I dig your keeping one, mines not as comprehensive but I keep certain items in my edc bag that extend my AO a bit if needed.

    Also, consider an Anker power charger, the 10000mAh is the best bang for your buck Ive found. Its invaluable in my edc and in an emergency itd be nice to have your phone as long as possible. My headlamp recharges on it as well.

    FFT
     
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    Shemagh?

    I, too, carry an Anker power charger and a usb cable. I can't say enough nice things about them.

    A folding saw would be great but, in an urban environment, I'd probably go for one with a hacksaw blade.

    Since you'll be in an urban environment, I would definitely include a full-sized multitool with pliers.

    I would have a packet or two of emergency water, just in case.

    I might be missing it, but no tinder?
     
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    Think he said both urban and rural. Good point on multitool. I like knowing i can cut through chain link in a pinch. Hard to get trapped.
     
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    I am assuming your job is not professional hobo, but urban/railrider kit can be interesting:

    High-visibility vest
    "danger" and "caution" tape
    cash - 5's and 1's
    GPS
    squat key / pry bar
    small bolt cutters
    sillcock key
    space bag (mylar water bladder salvaged from boxed wine or coffee)
    outlet socket adapter (for plugging chargers into light bulb sockets)
    coin purse
    or a slungshot (lead weight + cordage)
     
  6. Broke

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    Folding saw, yes! Good addition, my bahco laplander would be useful. I carry a 10,000 Mah battery pack. Spare batteries for headlamp, lantern and flashlight are provided.

    Leatherman wave is forever on my hip, I also carry a small folding knife. I can use the file on the wave if I really need to cut metal, but would rather avoid that need entirely.
    I am looking at the water bottles onboard and my nalgeNE as enough water weight to carry, good thought though, the car kits have those.
    Tinder is covered by the massive amount of paperwork I have to carry, I mean massive!
    Just need to add a gallon zip lock to throw some in for moisture resistance.

    Yes, shemagh, me no spell gud...

    Yup, forgot to mention it.

    Have a vest, it's standaRd issue... sillcock key, the little 4 way for secured water faucets? Have one somewhere, good idea.
    Prybar, bolt cutters, I dont want the weight.

    In an urban environment Mt goal is to be fast, quiet and hard to spot. I don't want to hang out in the core, unarmed, in a bad situation.
    In a rural situation it is much the same, try to skirt urban centers, handrail interstates a much as possible.
    Ok, good stuff, thank you!
    Adam G
     
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    Updated list below:
    I can not carry a firearm, I cannot carry a knife with a blade over 4.5".
    I do have a large pack, full of stuff like clothes, toiletries, rule books (tinder), lantern, headlamp, flashlight, spare batteries, binoculars. There is a decent first aid kit onboard, and I will carry a small kit as well.
    I will have my lunchbox, usually with extra food, instant coffee, snacks, etc, I carry an MRE in my bag as a backup in case we get stranded and I run out of food.
    We typically have quite a bit of water, 2 or 3 8 fluid Oz bottle flats of 12 or 24 ea.
    I have my leatherman wave at all times and a small folder clipped in my pocket.
    Keychain has a leatherman brewzer, exotac knockoff ferro rod, p38, soon a small leather strop.
    I have a 10k mah battery pack for my tablet and phone. I carry a hanky, or 2.


    I am looking at low weight things like:
    Poncho, I carry rain gear so this is more for shelter/camouflage
    Woobie
    Mylar blanket
    Cordage
    Mora light my fire
    Water purification kit, sawyer mini water purification tabs
    2 ea. 1 gallon freezer bags
    2 ea 1 quart freezer bags
    Stain less steel cup
    Nalgene bottle
    Shemagh
    Sling shot?
    Snare wire?
    Folding saw
    Sillcock key


    What am I missing?
     
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    I know that you are concerned about weight but, since your self defense tool options are limited, how about one of those big @$$ flashlights that looks like a small bat or even a large Mag light?

    You might be able to swap out your other flashlight and lantern to help compensate for the additional weight.

    With larger lights like that, you can squeeze them between your bicep and side to keep your hands free to do things.

    As has been said, a full sized multi-tool.
     
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    I have to have the lantern with me, it's my job. I was thinking a stout walking stick would be cut immediately.
    My non-issue flashlight has a strike bezel, but I would rather run away then try to go hand to hand and risk injury.
    The goal is to get home, fast, safe etc. I think a stout stick would be a good tool to the end.
    Fortunately much of our rural route runs through farm land where Osage orange and hickory are very common.
    In an urban setting we have stuff on board, prybars, hammers etc that could be handy.
    Thank you though, I will meditate on defense a bit more, not liking where it stands.
    Adam G
     
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    What is a "squat key"?
     
  11. Broke

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    Yeah, what is that? I forgot to ask.
     
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    A pry bar to breach doors. Ne'er-do-wells use them to squat in abandoned buildings. In an emergency situation, opening doors / finding shelter away from two-legged predators may be desirable.

    If you are into locksport, a lock pick set would be a light weight alternative.
     
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    Hmm...

    Wasp spray for those pesky wasps?

    Carried with the tools in normal situations, of course.

    Those cans typically have a good range and dispersion area.
     
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    Lifestraw water filter. I know you have water on the train, and a nalgene, but you mentioned that you'e be up to 120 miles from home. That's a good week of travel by foot, and when your water bottles run dry, it can come in real handy. Plus it weighs next to nothing.
     
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    Likely already covered in the MRE, first aid kit or toiletries... but:

    Salt / sugar / electrolyte powder

    If hygiene slips, while hiking through hot, humid weather:

    chafe balm (e.g. Bodyglide or gel deoderant)
    diaper cream
    tea tree oil (for persistent fungal infections)

    hat
     
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    Also, is this 120 miles in every direction?

    Preplanned routes with caches of water, etc. might be useful.

    Google Earth and satellite photos are a good start to a bushwhack.
     
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    Out of curiosity, when you say you can't carry a firearm, are you subject to search or metal detectors? Is it strictly company policy or a law violation. I ask because a small gun like a shield or even a. 22 revolver could be concealed very easily in your pack. I'm all for following the law but much more flexible on policy.

    As a useful suggestion, a cold steel spetznaz shovel might come in handy but it's kind of big. Also, bouillon cubes, Gatorade powder and the like make life a little more comfortable. Do you have plenty of wool socks, cold weather gear, etc? Gaiters might be a good idea to help keep your feet drier.
     
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    Some gallon zip lock bags, 24 hour candle, SAS pocket survival manual and an inflatable pillow.
     
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    Cant believe I didnt think of that. Thats easily a must if Im going away from civilization. Have drank roadside water running 10mi back to my car bailing off a trail. Good call.
     
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    On the Leatherman Wave sheath there is a nifty loop hole that could hold an extra ferro rod. Also, I know you have a flash light, but maybe put a head lamp in your bag for moving around at night and keeping your hands free. Lastly, in a ziplock bag, throw you some coffee, tea, sugar, energy drink mixes, soup mixes, etc.
     
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    Since you can't have a firearm, can you carry pepper spray? It's legal in most jurisdictions. The model made by Kimber isn't an aerosol so it doesn't lose it's effectiveness. You could also use bear spray.
     
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    instead of a shemag, you might use a 42x42 or 45x45 piece of bright orange flannel -- will do all the things a shemag will do, plus act double duty as a signal flag. (mine is cut out of a dead flannel bed sheet)
    if bulk is not a problem, get a casualty blanket instead of one of those deck of cards sized mylar blankets -- slightly larger, a lot more duarable.
    some of the SOL kits at Cabela's have a lot of useful things on your list in a compact package for not a lot of $$.

    sportsman's guide has a poncho liner with full length zipper for $45 right now.
    wally sells stainless steel cups for $5 and the sawyer mini for $20 -- which includes a straw attachment.
    you might want an esbit folding stove -- slightly larger than a deck of cards, uses triox or other fuel tabs -- can be found on surplus sites in the $5-10 range.
     
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    What kind of head lamp do you use? That sounds like a great piece of kit.
     
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    You are lucky to have Osage orange and hickory around like that. I would have several nice walking sticks made by now if it was available to me here.
     
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    This is really interesting. GHB threads have been done a lot on here, but your situation presents a really unique twist. I would suggest an Esbit stove fully stocked with tabs, and maybe even a pack of backups, as a fire may not always be a possibility or advisable. Someone in another thread was also recently talking about the reusable, breathable, SOL bivys. Looked like a definite upgrade from the standard mylar blanket we all carry.
     
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    A foxelli rechargeable. Cost me less than 20.00 shipped from US. Got it in 2 days. Waterproof ipx5 I believe
     
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    See, I have ministoves, I could pack one, might even pack my Iso butane just for coffee, but I am approaching this from a stealth element, my food, water etc should be usable without fire.

    So here's the rEason for this bag:

    This job is mobile, gone a lot, wife and kids at home. If for whatever reason I need to hoof it home, I need to get there, safely, quickly and efficiently.
     
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    Fitness :
    Are you in decent shape ?
    Non-Engagement flight is always better than risking injury.
    Best tools are your two legs and your brains.
    How fast can you put distance between you and danger ?
    Can you run a mile or two ? With a GHB on your back ?

    E & E :
    Tools that allow entry or exit : dikes, mini bolt-cutters are better than multi-tool pliers, hacksaw, mini pry bars, lock picking tools, glass breaker.
    Duct tape allows for breaking glass without shattering.

    Navigation :
    A hard-copy map of your expanded A.O. would be good so you can plot alternative routes that lead to home & to safety.
    In practice, emergency scenarios and running aside, how far have you actually walked with a GHB on your back ?
    Can you get around in the dark without a flashlight ?

    Clothing :
    Are you in uniform ? Can you run or hike in your footwear ?
    I put a spare set of wool hiking socks in my GHB.

    Security :
    Unpleasant close encounters are sometimes unavoidable :
    Wasp spray for the 2-legged wasps.
    Expandable baton for itinerant "musicians" who need some "orchestral direction."
    http://www.weapons-universe.com/expandable-batons.htm
    Flare

    Replenish your food supply to keep perishable things up to date.
    You have access to water, but you should still keep a canteen full of fresh water in the GHB.

    Don't leave flashlights with batteries in them stored for long periods of time in a GHB, they will simply drain and be useless when you need them.

    Back-up items :
    baby wipes
    spare lighter
    spare knife
    spare lighting w/batteries
    spare eye-pro & ear-pro
    GHB should contain lightweight clothing,
    think about losing that large pack with bulky items, it will make you a target.
     
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    Super glue and a sewing kit , neither weight much or take up much space but have 1000 uses also zip ties
     
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    Man, you got me thinking on this one broke. I love crossover like this.

    So I guess it starts with whats on your person. That Wave and your shoes are probably the two most important. If youre humping 120mi. Lucky to get 20 a day, lucky to get 5 off trail. So you need food procurement. But as its the most unlikely scenerio not a lot of weight or space dedication. A little pill bottle fishing kit is a must in my book. So much bang for buck.

    You need shelter, insulation, water purifying device, water carrying device.

    Youve got all these.

    Compass has been covered.

    Honestly, your mind will wig you out the most, especially by yourself at night. Maybe bring some playing cards.

    I agree on avoiding obstacles and making a ruckous breaking into stuff. Uneeded.

    Traveling at night will greatly extend your hours of operation, headlamp crucial. Covered.

    Id say with a good head on your shoulders youre over prepared.

    Honestly assess and take out whats too JIC or too redundant. Easiest way to get home safe and quick is to travel light and steady.

    Seems weird because in different scenerios you think you need different sets of gear. But when I go UL backpacking to bushcrafting, its adding my A1 lol. Amd if Im transitioning to urban, its adding my wave.

    Just make sure you practice with the gear, which is the best part anyways lol
     
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    Has anyone mentioned a small fishing kit with some line, a few hooks and sinkers, maybe a jig or two.
     
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    -Monocular
    -about 5x7 foot of camouflage noseeup bugnet for shelter, camo, fish net, etc.
     
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    Pepper spray, collapseable baton, lock picks, multi tool with wire cutters.
    I have similar restrictions my truck kit includes:

    Tarp,
    Mosquito net
    Fak
    Fire kit,
    Folding knife,
    Fero rod
    Tri fold shovel
    Crow bar
    Lock picks
    Multi tool
    Water bottle
    18" bolt cutters
    Dis assembled tomahawk, head and haft stored separate to seem like junk,
    Compass
    Rope
    Pepper spray
    Solar charger for phone or whatever
    Flash light.

    Plus a NBC suit bag to put what ever I need to take from vehicle to hoof it out. I would equip myself depending on need as some of these items are heavy. I wnt to get a baton one of these days.
     
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    Interesting thread! Lots to think about. Looks like you're in pretty good shape, Broke!
     
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    An umbrella is a great idea. I carry a small travel one pretty much on all outdoor adventures. Instant rain and sun shade, windbreak, shelter roof, etc. it will also scare the tar out of an aggressive dog when you open it up quickly at them !
     
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    That is a cool.piece of gear, here is my issue in this instance:
    My rain suit fits ina small stuff sack. I have to carry it for work.
    I am not allowed to use an umbrella for or while doing my job.
    I have plenty to carry, just on the average work day getting on ad off trains, they are cramped.
    If I lived in Seattle or any other frequently wet environment I would be all over it.
    Adam G
     
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    Identify friends or acquaintances en-route. 120mi is a long way to go on a bad day.

    Small radio. Even a simple FM/AM receiver is going to provide critical information - you cannot rely on the cell network.

    More cash.

    ID with your actual street address. Neighborhoods get locked down and getting thru checkpoints with an ID that doesn't support your claim to live there is gonna be very difficult.

    An alternative carry method if the big bag gets DQ by any evacuation help - the Guard has had policies against large bags on transports in emergencies. So a place to carry critical kit - a fanny pack, a light veshemock type sports bag, etc.
     
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    Wet wipes, if no one said that yet.
     
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    I have very similar needs with my EDC, with arguably most importantly is its functionality for everyday comfort, convenience, and entertainment.

    I used to train commute, and am long-time ultra-light/-compact business/leisure/adventure traveler. Between my pants pockets EDC and ~10 liter/lbs murse, I think I'm covered for most of the functions mentioned above, except for EDCing good sleeping insulation (since you can't keep good insulation stuffed without ruining it). For me, the key to being prepared, yet ultra-light/-compact, is through extremely versatile gear, and even multi-tasking beyond the original intentions. A few examples:

    - THIS is my core backpacking gear at ~10L/5lbs, I EDC about half of it. (Poncho-tent also makes an emergency vapor barrier down vest)
    - I'm a drinker and keep 190 grain alcohol in the flask - dehydrated vodka, stove fuel, solvent/cleaner/sterilizer, deorderant/mouthwash, fire accelerant, wet wipe, hand santizer
    - Camp 'pillow' is my sit/kneel pad, ground pad for napping on snow, swimming air mattress, and emergency sleeping pad (tested)
    - Flashlight runs on any battery, runs week>month (on AA>16650), will charge my iPhone/Inreach (16650 batt), and does both lantern and hands-free 'neck-lamp' duty (with bounce card and neck cord)
    - Thumb-sized Vasoline Lip Therapy + bullet-sized OB tampon is my fire starting kit, FAK (Vasoline=antibiotic ointment, tampon+gorilla tape=bandaid), dilute Vasoline w/water for skin moisturizer, Chapstick.
    - Eye dropper bottle of Dr. Bronner for washing body, cloths, dishes, brushing teeth

    When I worked in NYC, one thing I did after experiencing 9/11 and the NE blackout of 2003 was store some of the bulkier/heavier supplies my office incase of a 30ml get-home situation (Rollerblades or folding bike, backpack, water, food, insulation/bedding).

    Hope that provides some ideas...
     
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    Weight and volume are different restrictions, that are usually related. You can reduce volume by vacuum-sealing your spare clothes/socks/whatever. Make sure they are completely dry first, no fun to be wet and open up your sealed pack of now-moldy clothes. Wrap a roll of TP in duct tape, pull the cardboard roll out. Pull from the center. The duct tape keeps a few splashes of water from ruining half a roll, and can be spare duct tape. Smash flat and vacuum seal as well.
     
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    A few things (sorry if mentioned above)
    - wrap duct tape around an old hotel card or credit card
    - gloves (i like mechanix)
    - safety pins and zip ties
    - a few gallon zip lock bags and a heavy 55g drum liner rolled in the bottom of your bag
    - foam ear plugs
    - a few razor blades
    - esbit stove, put your fire stsrter in the folded stove with matches and store in 1q ziplock
     
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    A couple HD 30 gal garbage bags, can be adapted to raingear or a very small shelter. Can also haul some extras found on your way home.
     
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    need to post this-
    i know it's popular these days to discuss scenarios where someone ambushes another
    to take their gear, or talk of just wandering the boonies and killing "found" animals
    such as cattle and other livestock for food, and to carry B&E tools and break into
    buildings and cut fencing and such.
    but i can tell you for sure that no matter the circumstances thievery and rustling will
    get you shot seriously dead in many places no matter how you might justify it to yourself.
    i read those who post on forums telling of shooting someone they see at 300 yards or
    similar posts. what if that's a landowner checking on neighbors or his property or his stock ?
    how would someone justify that after the SHTF or whatever and things were "back to normal" ?
    one would be way better off carrying extra water and rations than a pack full of B&E tools.
    if you're stopped by a guard unit or the county sheriff's dept. how would you explain having
    a bunch of lockpicks or things they might recognize as belonging to a local resident ?
    morality is still in force all the time everyday all day long for eternity.
    think it over hard before you act. there'll still be rope and tree limbs even if society does collapse.
     
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    jmho, as far as getting home in a hostile environment or to one's retreat,
    i want to have clean water and food ready to eat and a compass or two, a
    poncho and liner, lots of cordage and a piece of decent rope or webbing,
    and a dry pair of clean wool socks. you won't be making any elaborate
    lean-to's, or setting up a tent, or handcrafting any fish traps, etc. you'll
    be E&E'ing your way to home base as stealthily as possible. no rambo
    firefights. no fire if possible to give yourself away to hostiles. you'll be
    walking along looking and listening, and eating whatever you have while
    walking. when you get tired you'll roll up in poncho and liner and crawl
    up under a cedar thicket or similar. you won't have time for a shelter or
    tent or hammock, because something may happen that you have to jump
    up and run for your life right NOW, and there won't be any time to roll
    up a hammock or tent, or dismantle a lean-to. what ever isn't in your
    pockets or strapped to you or wrapped around you will have to be left
    behind. i didn't write anything such as knives, etc. since everyone i know
    carries knives and such on their person everyday.
     
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    cash...

    if you are not in total wilderness, your solution will more than likely involve others to some extent. I always carry a minimum of $200 in 10's and 20's.

    for awhile I carried fractional gold on a necklace, like dogtags. you can get a gram in 24K for around $40 but people actually have no idea what they are worth and might possibly convince someone to help you get home where something else might not.

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    also, have some trade items, like a watch or other electronics, but never give up your phone. maybe a second knife or something. whatever it is, it needs to be desirable, portable, and not something you would miss on your journey or couldn't be replaced once home.

    my get home bag also has a small set of binoculars. if the environment is hostile, or even if it isn't, it helps to know what's ahead before you get there...
     
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    Some Silver Eagles would work. You can probably get them below $20 each.
     
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    You are correct that we will all one day give an account to our Maker.

    Extreme "lifeboat" ethical scenarios are exceptional circumstances. Crimes against property to save human life are lesser evils.

    If you are in the woods and need an emergency medical evacuation, would obeying trespassing laws take priority over getting to the hospital?

    Better to be tried by twelve, than carried by six.
     
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