Discussion in 'Winter Camping' started by Woods Walker, Dec 27, 2018.
Mylar kept most of the drips off my bag(s).
The winter snake is real!!!!!
Someone for reasons unknown requested clarification on the definition of pepperoni. I can't make this stuff up. LOL!
Wood and water.
I powered though with lots of firestarters. Not my preferred method but it complied with the number one rule of firecraft. Get and hold a fire. Do that and odds are it was done right. Fail and it was done wrong. Firecraft is IMHO the ultimate expression of Meritocracy
My gear is setup to assume stuff will get wet so have water resistant and proof dry sacks, plastic cases and pullouts.
Titanium wood stove.
The fly shop. I bought 20 dollars worth of flies but had 200 dollars worth of fun. I am easily entertained.
Great pictures and great trip report @Woods Walker !!!
What kind of teepee tent are you using and what pack is that! The pack looks like a British PLCE but modernized. Those packs are ideal for modular and medium to large loads, nice to see someone else using one and not being afraid to fill it!
nice looking shelter (and stove!)
dry bags and a piece of Tyvek for the win
I just sealed the top 1/3rd of the 6-man from the inside including the cone (last time did outside seams) with silnet. Windy so was fighting me like grooming a vicious dog or giving a cat a flea dip. There is silicone in my hair. But it was in the 50's and to do the top right it really needs to be pitched outside. Maybe during the week will go to the communist anti gun REI of which I am a commune member get some more silnet to do the rest inside.
Kifaru 6-man and EMR pack (military grade 1000d OMG it's heavy even when unloaded) with canteen pocket and 2 large side long hanging pouches.
That tyvek has more holes than Swiss cheese from burning hemlock campfires. The evil stuff sneaked into my wood supply this outing and put a pin hole in the tipi despite heat exchanger with baffle and two side A frame screens, damper and inline pipe screen as well. The stuff burns like pompeii (I was there). Rains down chucks which are far flying and never goes out. Embers from the pit of hell. Sealed the little pin hole. Getting more tyvek for the rental unit which needs siding. I have to do legitimate work to fund my woods bumming life. So will put some aside for another ground cloth. Maybe do 5 X 8 this time.
Great adventure and pictures, thank you.
The video camera took a string of pics by accident. About 40 of these cartoon slide show style. Maybe hit some time lapse feature or something. LOL!
I did a video. I pimped Bushcraft USA in it cuz was actually on the forums during the outing.
I got a YT notification and watched your video today. It didn’t look like one of your typically enjoyable trips! They’re always educational though!
What’s your opinion on the stove? I know you’ve got several hundred burns through your Kifaru stoves, but I wonder if the SO are better or just different.
On balance it's the harder times like bad weather which makes the outings more enjoyable once overcome. There are pros and cons to both stoves.
1. More UL for a larger firebox.
2. Collar/spark screen and damper combo system is better.
3. I like the Ti for the stove body
4. The vents have shields to prevent sparks from flying out the holes when open.
5. IMHO easier to setup.
1. The storage/packing pullout is marginal.
2. Collar less pack able.
3. Ti Pipe harder to work with.
1. The door is better.
2. The higher air vents don't get blocked by ash after extended burning.
3. Collar packs flat.
4. Has warming tray and float platform options. Not sure if those are offered by SO.
5. Nice stuff sack/storage system for packing.
6. The Kifaru large and arctic box stoves are monsters.
7. SS shim stock pipe is easier to work with.
8. I like Patrick Smith better though have nothing against SO. I know Patirck is the real deal as camped with him. He actually tests this stuff out personally in the dank cold woods.
2. Harder to assemble.
3. Less size options. No more Parastove or Small box stove.
4. IMHO should come with a damper.
5. The big boys smoke more than my Small Kifaru or SO SXL till there is a good coal base.
Overall I would go with the SO for a backpacking box stove because the weight to fire box size is too compelling.
That said my next hot tenting outing will probably use the Small Kifaru.
Thank you for a thorough comparison. It takes someone with a crazy number of hot tent nights to truly compare these stoves............and ONE man always comes to mind every time. I appreciate the thoughtful response.
I’m saving for a Sawtooth, but not sure about the stove. Given the mission of the Sawtooth (light but roomy), a large SO would weigh less than a large Kif. For an 8man an arctic Kifaru with warming tray would make for a hot and enjoyable palace. When the time draws closer, I’ll give a more heartfelt consideration to the weight difference.
I think either the Large or SXL would work for a sawtooth. I don't own one but hung out inside that shelter. When it comes to stoves the larger the firebox the easier it is to prep wood to stoke. So for the extra 12 or so dollars and 5 oz I would get the SXL rather than large but that's just me. Both would probably work out just fine.
Here is the sawtooth I checked out. Billy Bass is the owner and a member of the forums.
Behind my 4-man. Long story how I came to own both a 4 and 6.
Enjoyed the longer video report of this trip and appreciate the comparison between the two stove brands. I have an SO but have always wondered about the full pro/con differences from what I could see of photos of Kifaru stoves in use.
FYI, SeekOutside's "utility trays" would be your option for a warming tray, I believe: https://seekoutside.com/utility-tray-large/ They're basically just an extra stovebox bottom piece. I set one up as a drying rack and sent SO a photo:
That looks good. Might be an ideal spot to dry wood.
As alway @Woods Walker an enjoyable trip report.
Thanks for everything.
I got one (tray) with my small Cub stove- can run it under the stove in snow or setup as above by @reppans as a shelf
I think you mean @rsnurkle .
But while I'm here.... might as well show off my Sawtooth:
I gotta admit though..... I think hot tenting is just too much work for me, esp. solo, between all the hauling/set-up/take-down/wood processing (I never base camp). An UL pack (no pulk), XC skis, and Palmer furnace set-up is more my speed - need to do some trial runs for that.
whoops- sorry about that ( @rsnurkle )
nice setup- I'll have the luxury of a pulk in the winter; if I'm going to be above treeline then it's my winter tent
Excellent idea, thank you! Setup time (for both the shelter+stove and wood prep) is definitely something to keep in mind with hot tents.
No worries, we got more hot tent photos and comments, I'm satisfied with this outcome
Thanks for the video .
my wood stove set ups at home I have learned to do 2 things that make it more efficient.
1, a dog leg in the stove pipe configuration ,2 Ls
2. a damper in the pipe 2' up from the stove .
These improve the stove out put and a cooler pipe going past the structure .
All ready besides food and water for the trip this weekend.
I picked up a SO large stove to use in my Sawtooth during the shoulder seasons when I'm not using a sled to haul my gear. I used it last weekend when the low was projected to be 20 f and it was fine. The SO large is roughly the same size as The Kifaru Medium I had been using but it saves a couple pounds in weight. I use a Hill People gear stove in colder temps and found it good into the negative degrees. I think the SO SXL would be equivalent to the HPG in that size shelter.
Thank you for the feedback.
BTW, Yukon Cornelius is one of my favorite outdoorsmen.
Only winter trip in the last thirty years was last February 2018.We had a winter thaw with afternoon temps in the low 50's.Then around midnite and into the wee hours of the morning,temps dropped down to the low 30's/upper 20's.Unfortunately my bed frame broke and I had to sleep on the ground.By 9:00 AM temps were once again climbing to the upper 40's.Altogether we had a good time.on the left is my buddy Jeff Grumley,a member of the forum from the York PA area,and me in my Mexican poncho.My pack is a High Sierra Appalachian 75.
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Off the ground make it easier?
I like they have a solo stove campfire. Good larger wood gas stove. My pulk is ready to go but the snow is gone... again.
45lbs of a good time.
I'm with ya on the heavy pack! Got way to much stuff. I think I've hit max kit though. Started making a list of everything I brought, everything I used and everything I didn't use.