H&B forge hawk vs Wolf Creek

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  1. batmanacw

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    I am looking at the Wolf Creek polled hawk made of 1060 vs the Medium camp hawk by HB forge made of 1095 sandwiched inside 1018.

    Which one is better and why?
     
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    I have a wcf in the making now, can tell you what I think once I get it.love my hb forge though. Just wanted one smaller so I thought I'd commission Lisa to make one
     
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    H&B Forge=You will get your hawk in roughly the time estimated

    Wolf Creek= You may or may not get you hawk. If you do, chances are it will be after many excuses and missed shipping dates. They have a spotty track record in my opinion and you may want to research them a bit!


    I haven’t owned the Wolf Creek hawk. I love my H&B hawks!
     
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    I am just looking right now. I would think properly heat treated 1095 would hold an edge longer than 1060. I might be wrong.
     
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    What @Mr. Tettnanger said to a T. I don't like WCF's curves as much as I do H&B's.

    Having owned both the H&B was the more pleasurable experience of the two. Both are good tools, but I can do without the headaches, and lack of reliable communication.

    The bit of the H&B medium I had was excellent from the get go and only needed minor profiling. I won't go into details on the other.
     
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    Is J&B another maker I need to look in to?
     
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    Hahaha, H&B. My bad.

    Edited it. This isn't the first time I've done that.
     
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    Lol!
     
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    Go with the H&B if looking for new. If a wcf comes up used, buy it but Forget ordering anything from WCF. I own the HB large axe, nice and sharp. Initial profiling is usually better unless you ask Lisa for something different. Right now, go HB, I’ve actually seen a few new on eBay.
     
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    I'm liquidating some axes to free up the funds to buy the HB medium.
     
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    Communication and delivery times aside Wolf Creek Forge makes pretty good stuff, BUT, H&B Forge products are always consistent in design, quality, and use, I've been into primitive living history for a lot of years and those made by H&B are always historically correct and their Hawks and Hand axes are the ones every other are judged by.
    I've been using H&B Hawks since the mid '70's and if I were going to replace mine it would be with another H&B, If you pay attention to the Trade Blanket you'll find quite a few WCF, Two Hawks, and other custom Hawks up for sale, you rarely see a H&B Hawk for sale on the blanket, there a reason for that, custom and high end small axes and Hawks are not consistent in size, weight, and balance, buyers are often disappointed with them, not so with H&B, they are always on the money.
     
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    $25 for shipping a 1.5 lb hawk from Alabama. That's stupid.....
     
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    The best reason to get a hawk instead of a hatchet, aside from the fact that they're easily reparable in the field and much more versatile, is that they are superior for throwing. So, you need one of these.

    http://www.beaverbill.com/main/throwing-hawks/

    (I'm a hatchet man.)
     
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    Oh. I didn't notice who was asking.
     
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    Am I correct that the h&b does not come with a cover?
     
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    Correct, they do not come with one.
     
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    With Ohio taxes and $25 shipping I'm looking at $144. That's a bit out of my price range. If I drop the cover and make a kydex cover I'd save around $25.
     
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    HB forge all the way. Dont even bother with others. Fast time considering its a hand forged item. Lowest price for the highest quality youl find. Used the poll on my non hammer tomahawk for plenty of pounding. No leather cover or sheath. I didnt bother buying a handle. Just made my own. Hawk head will arrive perfect.
     
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    Turns out the place is 2.5 hours from me near several of my customers. I could easily order a hawk and pick it up when I'm working the area.
     
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    I think either Beaver Bill or H&B are the best hawks on the market currently.
     
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    I ordered an H&B medium poll hawk. 10 to 14 week wait on the website. Maybe I will catch the after Christmas slow down.....lol.
     
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    This maybe the longest I have ever had to wait on an ordered tool. I'm fairly excited. 1lb on 19" with one of my convexes should be crazy effective on the small scale. I would attack green wood up to 5" with this tool. Dry hardwood is something I will need to try.

    What I can guarantee is that I will not be counting my hits in the dozens if not hundreds on one tree like a lot of poor YouTube posters.

    I kept telling at the TV, "Swing the damn thing!"



    I thought the video ended up hilarious.

    The first tree he pushed over.....that would have been a half dozen hits no matter how dry and hard it was. A full swing on 19" with a good convex will cut. On green wood it would have been two or three swings. Even with a 1 lb head.
     
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    I have the medium polled axe aka H&B camp hawk and it's fantastic. The edge needed a bit of work but totally worth the money
     
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    Here is my review of the Shawnee and Med Polled axe from H&B.



     
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    I had watched your video a few days before you posted it.

    I will be convexing the entire bevel on my belt grinder once I get it. I like to smooth the transition between the edge and cheeks into a smooth curve.

    They quoted me 6 to 8 weeks on my polled camp axe.

    It looked like it chopped okay in your video. I tend to swing a bit harder.....lol. I wish you had chopped more in the pollen axe video than the Shawnee video.
     
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    Not gonna lie and say im some expert ax man, but that was seriously painful to watch.
     
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    Hahahaha, after about the 15th hit I had to stop watching.

    Congrats on the order. They were punctual with my order and it arrived within a few days of shipping. They are one of the best looking poled hawks out there. I like how they polished the pole and edges.
     
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    This will take a couple posts.

    I just got home last night at 2 am and I immediately tore the box open to see my new hawk.

    The hand forging is beautiful. There really is nothing like it. Handle is superb. The teardrop shape feels great and it's not crazy small at the end. Cover is very nice, although I'd rather have the snap on the other side. No matter.

    I absolutely failed to take pictures of the crappy uneven grind. That's on me.

    I noticed that the bit was not well lined up with the handle. The heel of the bit looked to be pointing right at the left ear of the end of the handle. It bothers me but it will not hurt the performance. For $150 I do expect better. The hawk might be $80 but the extra handle and cover cost money too.

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    As I was fixing the grind I realized the bit. Has a slight curve to it. I was able to grind it much straighter but it still has a slight cant.

    I finished up putting my grind on it.

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    These show the difference in the bit laying flat.

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    The fit and finish are excellent.

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    Best picture I could get of the edge profile.

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    Next to my 2 Hawks Longhunter.

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    It bites deep. 2" of poplar and a half swing halfway up the handle. Best I could do for now until I go find a tree to knock down.

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    The over all length is 19.5". Over all weight is 1 lb 6.1 oz. Head weight appears to be around 14 oz. I can't get the head off right now so it will have to dry out a bit before it will come off.

    The head feels more substantial than the 12 oz Longhunter. You can easily tell the difference.


    Over all it's a keeper. The twist in the bit is annoying but now it's got one of my edges on it so it's not going away. The tool is completely functional so I cannot justify complaining too much. It feels good in my hand and it looks killer. If the edge holds up it will be a huge favorite.
     
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    I will say that there is blood and sweat mixed into this steel. It has more soul than a drop forged whatever. I'll take the imperfections with a bit of recognition of what it is. I'm glad I bought it.
     
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    For an $80(not $150, can't count the cost of the extra handle or the cover when it comes to price paid versus quality put in on the hawk itself) hawk that looks perfectly acceptable. I've always loved their hawks. The only thing that ever bothered me slightly was that of all the ones I've had the handles tapered a little bit too small where you grab it with your hand. I have extra large mitts though so that probably doesn't affect everybody.
     
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    I have very large hands and this one is the best of all my hawks when it comes to handle size. It still tapers down but not terribly. I don't always hold the handle all the way at the end anyway.
     
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    The hawk is growing on me. I wasn't able to go try it out this weekend but I know right where to go to chop some pushed down maples that are somewhat drier now. It will be a good test.

    My Plumb polled hawk mod has taken a bit of the steam out of my excitement for this tool. I ended up building a nearly identically performing axe to my new H&B. Partially because of the wait but I didn't get the handle until after the H&B came.

    I will probably swing them side by side to see how they both do.
     
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    Heck yeah! That is very acceptable compared to what I've been seeing. I'm glad they hammered you out a good one!

    A word of caution about the handle. I think they press it in so it won't come off without some serious force. Mine didn't anyway, and when it did I chipped the foot. Totally my fault since I was just tinkering.

    Again, that's a sweet hawk you've got.
     
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    I own both and I think you would be happy with either one, however, I highly concur with what @Mr. Tettnanger shared with you regarding both the communication and wait times regarding both vendors. I can’t really speak as to which one holds an edge longer. I’ve never dulled one where it was an issue on my bushcraft outings but they usually are only day trips or 1-3 day camp outs. I’ve always made it a habit to clean and touch up my tools when I return from an outing so I’m not sure how long either edge would hold up without maintenance. YMMV
     
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