Discussion in 'BushClass USA' started by Iz, Oct 11, 2011.
No answer? @Sweeneyguy? @kcardwel ?@Pastor Chris ?
We have been discussing and comparing notes and experiences from our journeys through the challenges, and while I am answering, this reflects the sentiments of all of the active Hardwoodsman.
The idea behind having the challenges done away from your home, yard, or other familiar places is to make things more difficult mentally, if not physically.
If you have to drive somewhere then hike into the woods a bit, you are probably less likely to give up and go home if you are having a hard time. Perseverance is a part of this, and we can all tell you tales of how Iz gave us a no-go over things like this, sometimes just to push us and force us to keep going or give up. I did the fire in the rain 4 times before I got a go; not enough rain, bad camera angle, tree cover overhead, things like that.
So that is mostly the reason for not being near the truck or in your yard or someone else's yard.
There have been extenuating circumstances for people with mobility issues or other issues and we can work around that, but that is another conversation and does not seem to be the issue here. If I am wrong, PM one of us.
You can also find posts for challenges that seem to contradict those rules and quote them, but I don't especially care about such "precedents" or even errors when someone watches the video and maybe didn't notice.
If someone has to ask specifics about distances from the truck or too many such questions, then you have to question your own reasons for doing these challenges. I know you are somewhat frustrated and that is the reason why for such questions, or at least I hope so.
If someone started these challenges and asked those questions from the beginning I would say, very honestly, that this is probably not for you. Meaning, if that is what you are worried about you are going about this the wrong way. This is to challenge you.
It is difficult and it is a long road. There is a reason why only 10 people have completed the challenges in so many years it because it is a marathon. It took me more than 18 months with my very flexible schedule to get through them and I am better for the challenge and the long journey that is a pain in the ass at times, but it made me better and more confident in the end.
Iz is no longer active here and he turned it over to us to judge. We are, and will continue to judge this harshly as he did 98% of the time. Not to be elitist jerks about it, but because the difficulty in the journey is as important as the skill learned along the way. It could almost be said, though somewhat philosophically, that the skills challenges are only a means to the reach challenge.
As Iz said, if you are half-assing it, you will know it.
If you want to pull the wool over our eyes, you easily can but only you will suffer.
If it chaps your backside that you get a no-go every once in awhile, find something else to do with your time.
It is HARDwoodsman and we will continue to stand by that.
I genuinely hope that helps clear things up with regards to the ethos, which informs the specifics.
We are all rooting for you @atlastrekker ! Get at it again and move on to the next task. I'm looking forward to seeing a patch stamped with your #.
You will be among the few to have completed bushclass and hardwoodsman.
Thank you for answering my questions.
@atlastrekker , After discussions with the others, we understand your concerns for environmental and personal safety. We could not put it any better than what Pastor Chris did. These challenges are a journey, not a race. They will take time and it will be frustrating. I welcome every new candidate with the line "Welcome to the Suck!" I'm pretty sure I still hold record for most NO-GOs. I got a go for my fire chain, but then had to redo it because I used a saw. We all know how it feels and would never put anyone in a position that we haven't been in, nor a position to fail.
That being said, if you have to wait till a better time due to restrictions, then you should wait.
Stick with it, work on the other challenges such as navigation, get out and start your tree and plant ID. That one takes some time believe it or not.
We all hope to see some more posts from you.
Thank you. I was rushing to beat the clock and shouldn't have. I will do another video in the winter.
Johnny gives this one a go @Wolfcri ! Very inventive and good persistence.
One piece of advice is to use a base and brace for your fires. The brace especially allows for good natural airflow, though that can be tough in a fire ring no matter what.
Blowing on the tinder bundle is a must, but once it is in flame, no more blowing on the fires (no problem in this effort but for future reference)
Well done and good to see you moving on this again!
Got out there today to do the split wood fire x3 prep challenge, the wood was too wet and it was not a success. It was an eye opener though-I'll make sure next time to take my time and find better wood suited to the task.
Wood selection is key. Sometimes it takes a long while to find a suitable piece of wood after a long rain or days of rain. Keep trying I look forward to seeing your videos here
Good for you for getting out there to try.
@wvtracker14 Yep you're right! It's actually very humbling, I've been out probably four or five times and have yet to find anything. The rain that we've been getting from the gulf has everything saturated. I can tell I'm going to learn a lot from these challenges.
Update: today is the 4th of October. I have not been successful with split wood fire x3 prep, but I can honestly say I'm starting to understand how much prep work needs to be done for three fires (more than I anticipate). This is a great challenge, and am still sticking with it!
Great to see someone moving on this!
November 1 is a good day for someone to give this a go!
yeah; I did one of sorts a few days back camping....good practice
If only I haven’t had double mandatory overtime since June
Literally went out today for the first time in a bit to try the split wood fire and I couldn't even travel through the woods.
This is just feet away from the parking area:
I had rubber boots on, but somewhere out there, there is a river. Will be out as soon as that water disappears!
Well it's time! Went out and did a challenge or two, so I could see if I enjoyed the filming and editing portion. Definitely takes me longer to get it on YouTube then it does for me to create a fire but here's my first submissions!
3x fire prep
Splitwood fire in rain
Welcome to the suck.
We'll get these watched I'm sure in no time.
Great way of bringing a new way to tackle the fire in the rain. The counsel has spoke and we agree.
Again, welcome to the suck. We look forward to future entries.
Yeah awesome! I can't wait for this journey!
We all agreed you have great skills; keep up the great work and welcome!
Woohoo!! Excited to see you tackling the challenges @Peter M ! And, I think everyone who's made a video hears you about the editing and upload time. Hang in there, show us your take on things!
I would like to submit this video for your review. It is for the split wood fire in the rain challenge.
Good to have you on board for the challenges @Seahunter !
Normally the Council would deliberate on submissions, but I feel confident in giving this a “no-go” unilaterally for one simple reason; you can use the bark to keep your prep dry, but not to establish your fire under. The fire has to be built and ignited completely in the rain.
A couple of other minor points are that it would be better to have the camera positioned to we could see everything without the cuts back and forth to diffeeent scenes, ie we should be able to see your prep and building the fire without a hard cut, such as at 7 minutes when you cut to making more shavings.
Also, you should ideally have all of your prep made in advance, which is why so many of the challenges are for 3x prep, to get you in the habit of having more than you think you need before the first firesteel strike.
Lastly, all fires need to be at knee-high flames and you need to be careful to show that in the video. Oftentimes moving the camera angle down at the end so we can really see it.
The other Hardwoodsmen might have other helpful advice to add.
Remember the motto is “Prepare and Persevere”
Keep the challenges coming!
Thanks for reviewing the video and for the tips @Pastor Chris . I hear you on 3x the prepp. I had 1/2 hour to do this excessive and I was way into overtime so i took a bunch of short cuts that cost me more time in the long run. I need to give myself more time so that I can do things right. The next time rain lines up with a day off work I will take another shot at it.
Welcome to the Suck Bud!
Fire in the rain is usually one tries later on in the game. I would suggest getting out and doing some of the other challenges where you're not pressed so much to get a feel for camera angles and such.
Good Luck, we'll be watching.
@Pastor Chris and the rest of the Hardwoodsman Council, I think I would like to jump back in and see if I can knock the rest of this bad boy out. I have some subs from a few years back that were all rated as a "go". If I can provide you with the post #'s for the subs and the ones where they are determined a go, can I just pick up where I left off?
As far as I know there is no expiration date on them! It would great to have you back in the pipe!
If you could please PM the list of posts to @Sweeneyguy , he keeps spreadsheets on those currently active the challenges.
Thanks for the info @Pastor Chris I’ll get something ogether for @Sweeneyguy this evening
@SwampYankee64 Has been verified and updated.
Glad to see some more people giving this a go!
Accidental post. Sorry this would happen on this post. I have it bookmarked and open half the time it's one of my favorites on the forum!
Congratulations to @Peter M and good work @Seahunter!
Bringing this thread back up... winter is a good time for fires
Hardwoodsman Challenge- Man In The Creek Drill
The tinder bundle is cedar bark scrapings. The container hangs on my belt clip along with my ferro rod.
5730374B-5A74-4AEC-9C38-7EAF695FA5F5 by Rowsey63 posted Mar 27, 2019 at 10:38 AM
Glad to see you getting in on this!
Welcome to the pipe from the Council of Hardwoodsmen!
A couple of points to throw at you: Well done with the site selection and showing your tinder kit. Good camera placement and angle; this will remain critical going forward as things not seen in the frame never happened, even if they did.
It is good at the end of such videos to do a formal showing of the flame height near your waist, in this case, or knee in most others. Stop, position yourself properly and tell us where you are; "There we go, waist high flames". A good idea for this is making a "witness stick" that you show to be your knee height at the start of the challenge and then show that near the flames. That way there is no dispute over camera angles and such.
We would have likes seeing a little greater sense of urgency on this, but you still did fine. This challenge in particular can be a fun opportunity to really pretend this is going on, because it might one day.
Finally, working on the fire steel skills is a must. Choosing tinder well and learning how it behaves and how your particular brand of firesteel behaves will be critical going forward with most of the fire challenges using only shakings you make on site; no scrapings or anything else, but that will come as you move through.
Once again, welcome, you get a "go" on this one, and happy to have you on board!
PS: ANY questions along the way please feel free to PM one of us before hand. The worst thing is to go to all of the trouble to do and post a challenge only to get a "no-go" because something was overlooked or mis-interpreted.
YES!!!! Thanks, everyone, for your votes of approval. I will take your suggestions to heart and move forward with the Challenges.
Great job, and welcome to the fun!
Yes; welcome... like said watch the rules so you won’t miss anything
I sure will, thanks.
Hardwoodsman Challenge- Splitwood Fire 3x Prep
Base by Rowsey63 posted Apr 4, 2019 at 7:17 PM
This is a go!
Couple of pointers from the council:
Next time make a base to start your fire on and keep the prep off the moist ground. This will be crucial in future challenges. If you had a good base you wouldn’t have to throw the sparks you could plant your Ferro Rod in the shavings. Also no need to one stick it!