Help Me Replace My Tarahumara

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  1. Watcher of the Woods

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    My eyes feel like they've been scratched with 40 grit sandpaper. My laptop is almost dead. I've been at this for hours and I still am not sure what to get...

    Here is the deal. I like my Hill People Gear Tarahumara, in some regards. Others, I can't stand it. The shoulder straps are great, the size is perfect, but I dislike the poorly padded back as well as the center zip.

    I just bought a Mystery Ranch rip ruck that I thought was what I wanted, it wasn't... I've been eyeing the Hidden Woodsmen scout pack, but... It's too expensive for what it is, and I don't think I'd find the shoulder straps to be as comfortable as I want.

    Please help me. I'm driving my wife crazy. She wants to kill me. PICK A DAMN BACKPACK ALREADY, she says...

    Here is what I want.
    -A pack for bushcraft as well as day hikes.
    -14-20L capacity.
    -Top loading.
    -I would love for it to have compression straps, but this is not essential.
    -I also would like to have a hydration sleeve, but again, not essential.
    -Neutral color.
    -Not "tacticool".
    -Price isn't really that big of an issue. I'm fine going up to $200, but it'd have to be pretty amazing.

    Maybes:
    -Patagonia Nine Trails 20L
    -Deuter Walker 16L
    -Osprey Talon 22 (Owned this twice already... Great pack... Just always felt like it wasn't quite right though)
     
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    I don't have one but, an Eberlestock Bandit Pack in Dry Earth?

    Not quite top loading, but it looks like it can be used as one. Sort of the best of both worlds. 15 l with "expandable" features.

    http://www.eberlestock.com/store/bandit-pack

     
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  4. Watcher of the Woods

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    Oh man... I want to keep watching this thread for awhile for other ideas, but this seems to be exactly what I want... Must restraint from buying it right now lol.
     
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    This is what I replacing my Tara with. I have the same complaint about the tara. Center zip is a pain and the lack of organization is an issue, plus the tight water bottle pockets. The Bandit looks like a good replacement.
     
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    What's killing me is that I can't find "Dry Earth" anywhere in stock... Thinking about doing Coyote or Military Green...
     
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    Unless they changed it, I have their Mil Green. Also the DE.

    They're pretty similar. One is (obviously) a slightly more brownish shade, one is slightly more greenish. I prefer the DE over the MG--but not by much. Eberlestock used to call these two colors "chameleons" because they seem to change to the eye depending on lighting conditions and background.

    This is under direct light:
    http://www.eberlestock.com/pictures/colors/

    Optics Planet has free shipping. They show two left in MG.
     
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    @Harper thanks brother. I managed to find one after an hour of google searching from a non-main line retailer. Paid a little more but don't really care. Appreciate you guys help!
     
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    I have one of these. It’s a sweet pack that definitely addresses some of the Tara shortcomings (even though I just bought a Tara from @Panzer lol). If either of you would like more pics, just holler.

    Another nice option I ran across is the Mountainsmith World Cup. It’s really similar to my Kifaru Urban Zippy, just way less $. I found mine on sale for ~$70. I can post pics of that too if you’d like.
     
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    @Creaky Bones I'd love some pics to tide me over until it gets here lol. Find that it holds a day load out well enough?
     
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    I think it depends on how much you pack for a day ;)

    I’ll take some pics tonight after I cook dinner for the family.
     
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    Camelback Linchpin
    Small enough for laptop and edc, large enough for woods day pack
    Awesome quality and suspension
    Premium materials
    Comfort beyond imagination
    Plenty of organization yet not too complicated
     
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    Here are the Worldcup (left) and the Bandit, side by side
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    The Bandit will hold a full size nalgene and/or a nangene oasis canteen in the water bottle pockets
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    There’s skinny molle on the bottom of the pack
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    And the shoulder harness is adjustable, similar to other Eberlestock packs
    [​IMG]
     
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    The top lid of the pack has a nice admin compartment
    [​IMG]

    Inside there’s a hydration sleeve in the back, and pockets on both sides. Imgur and I are fighting at the moment, so all you get is a sideways view
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    There’s a nice deep pocket on the left side, and two pockets on the right. The top right pocket is divided in three sections.

    The front of the pack has a stuff grab-it panel thing made of laser cut molle. If you leave it buckled at the top, the pack acts as a top loader. If you unbuckle the front mole panel the pack opens all the way up.

    It’s a sweet pack. I’m not going to lie, I prefer the HPG shoulder harness to any other, but Eberlestock comes in a close second. For me personally, the Tara just disappears on my back, but the way the Bandit is designed blows the center zip Tara away.

    Hope this helped!
     
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  16. Watcher of the Woods

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    I added more while you were replying lol

    Here’s another sideways shot showing the attachment of the molle panel and the available skinny molle above it
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    The Worldcup is a hidden gem. There’s a nice video here-

    The water bottle pockets swallow the Nalgene bottles. They’re stretchy and would fit whatever ginormous bottle you had
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    It’s a top loader with a hydration sleeve and a small zipper pouch inside
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    A zippered laptop sleeve behind the main pack
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    and a huge admin pocket in front. It’s designed to hold a bike helmet, so it easily carried my fak and my admin pouch.
    [​IMG]

    I’m honestly surprised more people here haven’t discovered it. I much prefer it to my LL bean continental ruck, minus the pass behind side pocket sleeves, and for well under $100 it’s a great option for the woods.
     
  20. NJStricker

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    Other than the price, you just described an Umlindi.
     
  21. Watcher of the Woods

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    I've got an Umlindi and love it, but it's just too big for most of my outings.
     
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    @Creaky Bones Your bandit looks real nice! thanks for the detailed pics. I want to see more of their switchblade too. Maybe it's just me, but I wonder why the manufacturer doesn't have more detailed demo videos of their packs, or better still photos on the product page. That's the reason I didn't pull the trigger on the Switchblade.

    Well anyways @Watcher of the Woods seems like he'll be twitching until his shows up in the mail, LOL. Hopefully the pics will keep him calm. I've been there a few times ;) I'll be adding a Bandit a bit later on i think - but I am holding on to my Mystery Ranch Cree :4:
     
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    Will the Bandit hold a Heavy Cover canteen and cup?
     
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    Do the canteens press in much on the Bandit pack reducing the interior space?
     
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    What about the Connor as an option? I’m looking heavily at it as my go to small and light option. Good harness, pals cut for options on the wing.
     
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    How come everyone is unloading thier Tara's and I'm missing it?

    I'd love an opportunity to become disillusioned with the Tarahumara pack..

    I'll be watching for suggestions, much to my wife's chagrin.
     
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    I don’t have one, so I can’t say for sure. The water bottle pockets have a drawstring on top. I’ll try a regular usgi canteen cup after I have my coffee and let you know if that fits.

    Here’s the nalgene oasis in a standard usgi canteen cup inside the water bottle pocket

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    Not much at all.

    Here’s the interior with and without the canteen and cup

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    It's slightly above what you're looking but the kifaru door gunner is pretty much perfect for your needs. Love mine. Given the composite stays, I can really load down with water for long outings and it carries wonderfully. I think it's $225 plus shipping.... probably come to $250 but maybe you could find one used.
     
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    HPG Conner for me is a strange pack to use as a standalone pack, works well for me as an add on pouch with my Ute but as a standalone pack I just don’t like the Conner.

    The Tara has plenty of organization if you use the Tara Insert and velcro backed pouches. I use a few pouches that I made and bought a few from Amazon. Hang a Kifaru pouch from a grimlock and add the tuff possum center zip to the out side for extra gear and you have expandability and versatility with a Tara.

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  30. Watcher of the Woods

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    I just looked it up. If the Bandit doesn't work out I'll definitely be trying that one out.
     
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    @Creaky Bones thanks for all of the pics. It sure seems like the Bandit is similar to what I’ve been looking for as well. I used to have an all black World Cup and ended up handing it down to a family member. It’s a great pack that’s well built and holds way more than you’d expect.
     
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    I do believe that a World Cup is my next pack purchase.
    FYI they're on closeout online in the dark earth color for $69. Just run a quick search and you'll see it.
     
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    I have had my eye on that World Cup for sometime. I have that particular outlet retailer in my area and going to swing by and see if they have one in stock.
    I can't buy packs online, I have a 50" chest and a 22" torso and finding anything that fits comfortably is almost impossible.
     
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    Lots of good possibilities in this thread; but I'm surprised the Kifaru Zippy didn't get some love (though it's above the price range). My Zippy has pretty much permanently shelved my Tarahumara.
     
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    I have an Urban Zippy. Awesome pack. It goes with me to NIH when I get treatment. It went with me to the National Zoo at Christmas time. To me it replaces the Umlindi more than the Tara. I didn’t mention it because it’s so expensive. I got lucky and picked one up on the trade blanket. I love that pack. Definitely a keeper. The World Cup reminds me a lot of the UZ without the zippered access behind the water bottle pockets, but with the addition of a big front pocket.
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    @woodsranger I really like the looks of the Karrimore Sabre. I thought about that but it was the same size as my Umlindi. Do you have one? How's it carry?

    @Creaky Bones that world cup looks really nice. How's the suspension? Comfortable with heavy loads? My Umlindi frustrates me sometimes with the lack of organization, but it carries so well that it's hard to even consider replacing it. Also, how do you feel it compares to your Urban Zippy?

    @xrayit I thought about doing that set up with the velcro type pouches, but didn't want to sink even more money into the set up.

    @XMP the zippy looks pretty nice but was larger than what I was looking for. With how much I hear about them I kind of want to check one out though.

    @squishware first, your avatar makes me smile every time I see it... I like the looks of that ULA but it has such a big capacity that I was kind of turned off for a day pack.
     
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    Santana Outdoors is getting a shipment of Bandits in today. Ask me how I know :)
     
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    I literally asked every retailer before I bought mine and they told me "We don't know when we'll have dry earth in stock..." Grr lol. Might just have to buy another and return the MG one.
     
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    I am not sure if they have dry earth or not. I was ordering a Multicam.
     
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    Gotcha. I'll have to check this afternoon to see what they have in stock. I think that's actually who I bought my first one from.
     
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    That looks really good, Creaky.

    Do you think the side pockets would hold a GI or Heavy Cover canteen & cup set?
     
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    Yep, I have the Sabre 35 and the Sabre 30. They're both very comfy to carry, but since everybody has a different body shape, you never know how a pack will carry for YOU until you put it on. I also have this one, too, which is smaller, but it's not a true top loader. Of course, it is if you only unzip it part way. :)

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MS6VWTJ/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
     
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    Permanently shelved? Oh?:D
     
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    I'm not even in the market for a backpack and you have me wanting the Bandit! LOL
     
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    The side pockets on the World Cup are big and stretchy. They would easily hold whatever canteen/cup combo you have. In one of the pics above there’s a nalgene oasis canteen in one of the pockets and it’s totally swallowed up.
     
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    I haven’t loaded it heavy. I bought it for a trip we didn’t take. I have used it on a couple of around town jaunts with a laptop and it was great. As a comparison to the Zippy, they’re really very similar.

    If you’d like I can send it to you for a test spin. Just pm me an address.
     
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    I'm good for right now, but if I think more about changing up packs later I'll let you know. Thanks for the offer brother!
     
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    Anytime. Pack afflicted folks gotta stick together! :)
     

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