High value "scout" rifle considerations and advice.

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  1. Swampyankee101

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    Seconday to a scout. I have been toying with this idea. A Ruger 77, .357 with a 1x4 circle X reticle scope. Anything from squirrel to deer, plus any unwanted guests.
     
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    image.jpeg I decided it was too handy with irons to scope...
    Out to 150 yds or so, it is extremely effective with 158 gr soft points.

    ezra
     
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  3. Swampyankee101

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    erza45. how is it with 125grainers? Every try.
     
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    Swampyankee,
    Nope, haven't tried them. I have shot hard cast 158s , JSP 158s, and JSP 180s. The 180s are reasonably accurate to 150 yards but I prefer the 158s.
    I am going to make 1 change in the gun and that is to get the receiver sight/ front sight combo from NEC. I believe they will be a worthwhile improvement over the Ruger factory sights.

    Regards,

    ezra
     
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  6. CaliforniaCanuck

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    They need to do this to the Ruger American and price it at $350.
     
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  7. oldpinecricker

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    How bout pricing it at $400-$425 and use the GSR trigger guard and mags.
     
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    Thanks brionic,
    I am printing that out now.
    What made me buy this over the .44/77 was the ballistic comparison between the .357/carbine combo with the 158gr bullets vs. the .30-30 with 150 gr bullets at 100 yds...
    .30-30 is one of my favorite cartridges for anything up to black bear and having the ability to duplicate that at reasonable distance with a det. mag-fed bolt gun with a straight-wall pistol cartridge won me over. The ability to easily mount a scope didn't hurt either.
    I have had this in the back of my safe for a while now but a pig hunt at a friends ranch in Texas is coming up...

    ezra
     
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    The Steyr is as inexpensive as it's ever been. I've been through the gamut of DIY scouts, the Savage, the Ruger GSR and finally bit the bullet this summer on the Steyr. They were were $1499 USD (down from the original $2800 when they hit the market in 1998, back when I had a young family and was earning the Queen's shilling). I sold one of my 3 HK P7's and made a killing on it so I bought the Steyr. It cost me $2100 CDN with shipping and exchange by the time I got it to the door and I had enough left from the pistol sale to put an optic on it. I have some eye issues so the EER optic doesn't work for me and I went with a Leupold VX3i in 1.5-5x.

    After I rough zero'd at 25m I moved to the 100m bench and the first 3 rds I fired for group went into 3/4" with two shots going through essentially the same hole, just off enough that you could tell it was two rounds. This was with cheap W-W 150 gr SP that I have scads of - it shot at least as well with Federal 165 gr TBBC that I also have a decent supply of.

    You certainly get what you pay for and I for one couldn't be happier. I intend to have this one with me when they push my burning long-boat out to sea on my final journey to Valhalla...
     
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    You have my favorite rifle!!
     
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    Good call! it's stunning how much the P7s have escalated in value. Mine is not for sale.

    You have fine taste in weapons.
     
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    Nice rifle - might be worth trying out a peep sight of some sort too - in general, and unless you have really good eyes, I find a peep of some sort markedly superior to standard 'irons.'

    Kind Regards,

    ~ SH ~
     
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    I see them occasionally for under $1200. If I bite on a Scout rifle, it will be the Steyr :)
     
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    I would be VERY surprised if you were to be disappointed...
     
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    me too, my wife...... :4:
     
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    I can see you with an Steyr Scout in my minds eye.
     
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    Dont overlook the mossberg patriot. Same action as the patrol/scout/ After lots of research in factory rifle offerings, None are specifically perfect, But this one offers the most out of the box performance to me. at the lowest initial cost. Its in its final stage of work and off to the 'smith to get the barrel cut, skinner sights and threading. One super inmportant feature for me is the ability to top load directly into the detach mag. I do like my artic mags in my 700 conversions and the GSR, But they cannot be top loaded. The mossberg scout mount is almost a direct fit, Im still trying to figure out the last two barrel screws with a spacer...( four of the six fit)

    Granite mountain tactical with some of the folks over on the scout rifle forum came up with the idea of using this model. They have called it the RECON, I would agree in a semi custom nothing beats it with a substantial $$ less than most of the factory offerings.

    Another variation that is also taking a good run is another from richard mann the CUR rifle concept. Very similar to the Cooper scout but with less strictness on specifications like world wide compatibility and more suited for local conditions.

    A used patriot or even a 4x4 or atr, (100-200.00ish) and about 350 in smithwork and parts, Whats going to beat it in "scout" world of rifles. I did leave out optics because there is just too much variables in this area to even think about...
     
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    They are great until they malfunction. My GSR comes apart with a press of a lever. When my lever gun chokes, I need screwdrivers, punches, videos and time to fix the thing.
     
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    My minds eye needs adult supervision...
     
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    yeah, I just meant suitable for a scout scope.

    if you want a real simple to disassemble gun for this class, try one of the Ruger Minis - use a cartridge to unlatch the trigger guard, pull the trigger assembly out and the barrelled action can be removed from the stock. then the entire op rod/bolt assembly can be removed.

    nothin' simpler...
     
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    I love leverguns but I agree the GSR is another notch of simplicity and even reliability.

    I would even go so far as to promote the Mauser 98 which the GSR is patterned after is simpler yet, at least in tearing down the bolt afield.

    When I was young I didn't get the whole Mauser 98 feed/extract design and simplicity of design and also it's robustness. Now that I get it I'm a convert.

    Still the GSR is a really handy rifle and I appreciate its Mauser roots and that it's even made left handed for folks like me.
     
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    My slightly modified Ruger American in 308.

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    I figure I could sell my Tacoma, then...... :4:
     
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