How come you rarely see folding stocks on bolt actions

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  1. kid_couteau

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    Hi All

    In my life I have owned many different firearms. Bought and sold, bought and sold.

    I have had tactical, Fuddy, blackpowder, traditional, science fiction and everything in between except for full auto.

    Why is is that for the most part the mainstream firearms companies do not make folding stocks for bolt action rifles?

    AR15, AK47, 10-22 sure all the cool stuff you want

    How come not on Bolt actions?
    Just a mental exercise I guess
    Kid
     
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    Because clearly a folding stock is part of a weapon of war and should only be used by the police or military on their fully-semi-automatic weapons with long-range clips.
     
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    Could be because the market expects bolt rifles to get the most accuracy, and folding stocks are perceived to detract from that. Hence, no demand.
     
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    Bolt actions are generally long range weapons. It doesn’t really make sense putting a folding stock on a long range weapon when they are generally used for concealment, storage, or getting in and out of vehicles
     
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    The new style long range precision rifles be they Ruger, Savage etc. all have adjustable stocks and pistol grips and are bolt action and very accurate. That pretty much eliminates any arguments that folding stocks with pistol grips cannot shoot as well as a traditional stock. But many old school bolt rifle shooters have enough trouble accepting plastic stocks let along folding ones :)
     
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    What others have said. Folding stocks are perceived by some to be rickety and detrimental to accuracy.
    Further more, some shooters/hunters are a conservative lot and dont want/need folding stocks.
     
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    I struggle with the accuracy of mine.
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    Always have that one flyer.
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    That is horrible:D
    You just have to live with that lack of accuracy;)
    Whats the distance?
     
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    Simply because most folding stocks are not robust enough for most CF calibers Bolt rifles are found in.

    If someone had a need it would be a quick detachable take down stock.

    CW
     
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    Well, yeah. They should all be in the same hole ;) lol
    100yds.
     
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    Got ya.
    Nice Ruger.
     
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    There was a guy over on warrior talk who built a folding stock bolt action .308. He had some sniper training in the military I believe. Seemed to know what he was talking about. He wrote a sniper manual that Gabe Suarez was selling. Might be worth looking into if you’re into that kind of stuff.
     
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    Guilty as charged...
     
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    I've seen a few folders. Here's a review of one from MDT: https://rifleshooter.com/2018/07/mdt-ess-folding-stock-review/
     
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    Mission drives the gear. The more precision and accuracy you need, the few features like folding stocks will be preferred, and thneey'll be heavier and as rigid as possible. If you also need mobility, the rifle is going to be lighter by necessity. If you need to to also fit it in a backpack or a discreet rifle bag, then a folder makes sense.
     
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    Ive encountered folding rifle stocks in Afghanistan on several tours. The 'precision shooters' liked them for when underway; they wouldnt be picked out from a line of soldiers in a patrol for having an overly long weapon slung, as was a real concern. They had dedicated rucks for stowing the rifle with folded stocks.
    Not something most civilians have to factor in of course.
     
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    Same her
    Same here even laminated do not look right to me.
     
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    What ever works. Synthetics, laminated etc. Im fine with it.
    That being said, nothing more beautiful than a traditional wooden stock rifle.
    YMMV. To each his/her own and all that.
     
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    This is an interesting thread.

    Makes me wonder what the civilian uses for folding stocks is.
     
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    Some like a compact rifle, I guess.
     
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    I'll come at this from the opposite direction...
    Why is it that for the most part the mainstream firearms companies do not pillar and glass bed their non-bolt action rifles equipped with folding stocks?
     
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    To fit it in my pack without a cumbersome pack.
     
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    And folding stocks normally weigh less than solid stocks, so for those gram counters who weigh every piece of the gear they carry to get their total load weigh down to a minimum, just like many AT ultra-light hikers do for a through hike, the numbers count when in the back country.
     
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    That's pretty simple, easier to transport, no different than being able to take your fishing pole apart. I played around with the idea of making a folding stock for an SMLE some years back but lost interest.
     
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    Taking it hunting in you Smart Car? :D

    You read some complaints about folding stocks. I would guess that a good one is going to be a little spendy.

    I don't think so. In fact, weight is one of the complaints I've read repeatedly - in comparison to rigid lightweight composite stocks.I'm sure some do. But not enough to say "normally".

    Mossberg makes that lever gun with the adjustable plastic stock. Do they make a version of the Patriot with a folder?
     
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    FreeMe,
    I'm old school, so when I refer to a solid stock, it's dense solid Black Walnut from a one-piece blank. ;)
     
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    You I should probably tell Sako, Q, Accuracy International, Ruger and a host of others that. They would probably want to know that when they started using folding stocks their rifles are less robust.:59:

    I think it’s just a case of the previous generation never really thought of it and it’s a newish concept.
     
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    I'm a sucker for takedown weapons. Things like old Winchester model 12's, the Marlin Papoose, Winchester takedown leverguns. I'm saving up right now to convert one of my Ruger bolt actions to a takedown.

    I think this falls into the category of folding stocks and compact arms.
     
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    That's me.
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    I'll go along with that, Brother!
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    I think the reason is that bolt guns have been looked at as traditional, and having generally traditional features. In fact I'm surprised there have been so many plastics and threaded as there have.

    I love traditional firearms, but I think a lot of other nontraditional features are practical. I think a folding or collapsible stock is entirely practical assuming its well executed. No reason it can't be.

    Personally I'd rather see a takedown. One in .22 LR would sell like crazy!
     
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    This is more than likely the main reason.
    I have a few bolt guns that can shoot from here to there and I know I wouldn’t be comfortable shooting them if they had folding stocks on them.
     
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    My Ruger RPR has one and it's really convenient for cleaning the barrel but it sure doesn't make that beast any lighter.
     
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    For myself I have ALWAYS been a gadget guy.
    And I love the concept of a takedown rifle or shotgun
    One with a folding stock is awesome as well.
    I also like that AR15s take down easily or a folder can be added.

    Been toying with making an MP5 style stock for a cricket 22 rifle if I can figure it out.

    Anyways, good points all thank you
     
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    I love this concept


    Add a few 10 round mags of different weight bullets and you are GTG for a lot of areas.
     
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    Would the MDT LSS replacement stock fit the OP's needs?

    https://mdttac.com/us_en/lss-chassis-system.html

    I hunt and ski (and have skied into hunting camp) in New England and am used to humping skis in the 210cm range on my pack, so I'm a bit unfazed by carrying my Winchester lever gun. But, I take the point.
     
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    But many old school bolt rifle shooters have enough trouble accepting plastic stocks let along folding ones :)

    That's probably it for me, right there...:50:
     
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    Well, here's an old school bolt action rifle with an old school wood folding stock... nothing new under the sun. ;)
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    I think that a lot of folding stocks are more gimmick than practicality. The few I have shot were not conducive to best accuracy. The ones that potentially were able to be fired "pistol " style were brutal, difficult to control and inaccurate. The long action of a bolt limits the ability to make it compact in the first place, and in this day and age (as others have pointed out) a bolt action is desired for its potential accuracy. The more rigid and solid the stock, the better.
     
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    I love this thread! :D
     
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    Interesting, is that factory original?
     
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    I believe a fella by the name of Bubba did the conversion ;)
     
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    If that's the case, Bubba did a real clean job of it.
     
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    Mauser worked up a good number of variants, intended for the mountain and paratrooper units.
    If you google "G33/40 Mauser folding stock" , you'll find quite a number of pictures that show the hinge arrangement that was developed with much better details.
    And you'll run across some variants that had takedown arrangements that allowed you to readily separate the barrel from the action as well.
    Mauser didn't simply produce and export infantry rifles, and neither did the multiple countries who Mauser licensed to produce the Mauser designs outside of Germany.
     
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    Companies are starting to offer them more frequently.
    The biggest down side is the weight.
    Typically they are HEAVY. The Ruger RPR is almost 10lbs base weight.

    Add a Chassis to a 700 and you are in the similar ball park.

    The second drawback is the evil nature to the traditionalists.

    One of the biggest advantages for a folding stock is the ability to store and transport the rifle.
    Generally you can get your rifle to a 26-30" length folded.
    For me they offer much better ergonomics off the bench.

    I am currently saving my pennies for a Q - FIX.
    They offer .308 rifle in a 6lb range.
     
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    It'd be nice to see a solidly built (well mated) folder for something like a Ruger 77/357.
     
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