How much ammo?

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  1. PACoureurDuBois

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    Till your floor joists start to buckle.
     
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    I used to have thousand of rounds plus reloading supplies to reload them several times.

    Of course this was before the boating accident. Now I only have the 5 rounds in my gun and one speed strip
     
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    I store it in my garage ...I guess Ill just have to keep to buying it until my concrete floor cracks :dblthumb:
     
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    I was there, then moved to the concrete bottom floor. No cracks yet, keep ya posted.
     
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    how much money you got...........how many people in the world...........do you double tap...........
     
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    a couple hundred rounds per gun unless your a competitive shooter. this would allow you to shoot a fair amount and still have some on hand. i'm not buying the magnetic pole shift, global warming, nuke war, zombie sht. and; if i'm wrong whats makes anyone think THEY are going to be one of the lucky ones out of all the people on the planet to survive? BUGGING OUT: how many times have we seen pictures of lines of cars on the highway as people try to leave in advance of a storm? GET OUT EARLY! have an alternate route, gas, money,food, drink, good tires, a plan. not much need for a truck load off ammo. HUNKERING DOWN: my mother and father were in their 70's during the 97 ice storm. no power for 3 weeks. when i got to them on the second day it was already dark and the house was lit up like a Christmas tree. a hole pile of K1 lanterns. all kinds of food, a wood stove, and a hand pump still in the well in the well house. they wouldn't leave. after it was over my mother complained that they played cards, & board games, now all your father dose is sleep in front of the tv again. no hoards of crazed starving gangs, no need to shoot wild life, ammo not needed, nice but not needed. lesson learned, have food, a way to cook it, heat, water, light, entertainment. on the other hand if buying ammo lifts your skirt, have at it.
     
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    You mean organizing strip.

    The anti’s would consider a “speed strip“ something evil.
     
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    Above or below flood elevation??
     
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    Above, situated on high ground, well was 280' to the water table.
     
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    Cleaned out my truck today , found $50 in spare change !
    Bought 600 more .22lr rounds.
    Plus I scored another 30 soft point/round nose .303 British from a buddy that I swapped my empty brass with. It was a winning day lol
     
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    That was 1997. I would have agreed with you then.
    This is 2019. My rural experience may be like your parents' but I doubt a metropolitan area will be that way after 3 weeks.

    But, my opinion and yours carry about the same weight in the grand scheme.:rolleyes:
     
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    Wow...even in the heat of the shortage, I don't remember prices that insane!
     
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    If you are required to be mobile, and you have to be your very own packhorse powered only by your own 2 legs, how much ammo can you carry after you've packed all your other necessities on your back? :33:
    Just how much ammo did the old lone wilderness frontiersman actually carry?
     
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    We live in the midst of the zombie apocalypse already, you see them everywhere you go and even more on tv
     
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    The anti-Americans can go ____ themselves. Time to stop catering to those types
     
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    We are doing some moving around swapping rooms in the house and such. My girlfriend and daughter were helping me move. When they helped me with my ammo boxes they both asserted I had a problem and have way too much ammo. This was a sure sign to me I need to get more. If they can lift the box, it isn't enough!
     
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    I keep mine on a pallet in the basement with 6" concrete floor.... ;)
     
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    Then once your pallet cracks, you start a new stack!
     
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    Yup! It just exposes the weaknesses of the wood structure. No concern of excess volume...
     
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    For foraging, it sounds like a .62 cal smoothbore (20 ga) flintlock with an assortment of buck and ball, and a supply of powder, and a bag mold, might be worth the investment. Brass adds up in weight. No, it won't do for a run and gun fight. But it will keep food on the table for a while.
     
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    Anything is better than nothing.
     
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    True. I was thinking more from a storage/portability standpoint you can eliminate the weight of the brass and the need for reloading equipment (what do you do when your primers run out?). Ammo storage is fine for a scenario where eventually some stability in manufacturing returns that allows you to eventually re-supply. But in a TEOTWAWKI, long term case, the utility of the smoothbore becomes appealling, especially for someone who can source materials to make their own black powder. After that you're down to sticks and stones.
     
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    When they come looking for ammo I might show them to my barn.
    I can use the free labor to clear things out. DSCN4033.JPG
     
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    I liked both the barn and garage photos but both would stress me out!

    It's not my barn but I want to order a dumpster and throw the crap out!
    The garage is just F___, what happens when I have to move again??
     
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    66505FE3-8FCD-4514-B76F-B5FA0FC39C51.jpeg 7.97 a box at Walmart right now! Pretty good price for brass ammo. I’m buying a box a week.
     
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    Well Ive been cruising around stores in my local area the last few days checking out ammo prices.
    Prices are going up substantially in two of the biggest stores in my areas , a Cabelas and a Bass Pro Shop.
    We had a few stores in the area that have stopped selling firearms/ammo. So the prices at the Cabelas are creeping up fast !
    This is not a big worry yet though as online ordering is getting better all the time with free shipping and bulk deals regularly. I think the brick and mortar stores will put their prices up permanently to take advantage of the small volume buyers.
    I’ll be sticking to online suppliers from now on.
     
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    If you have to ask....you don't have enough.
     
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    I have a similar plan, been at it for 30 years now and still learning.
     
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    Mine is about 230 feet above sea level. Might be a close call when all the ice in the world melts due to global warming. I have a plan to build a dock and I can switch from hunting to fishing.
     
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    1. Depends on your income, location, family support, firearms, etc. I shoot .22 LR. I have enough to go shoot 100 rounds / month for about two years. That will get me through the next ammo shortage. I also have a 12ga, only keep about 100 shells for it. Slugs, buck and birdshot. I don't use it much. That's what is practical for me.
    2. I am concerned with natural disasters more than zombies, asteroids and nuclear war. I'd load up my wife and kids, a large bag of clothing for each, paperwork and photo albums, some cooking / camping stuff. Take a rifle and a pistol, both .22LR and a small bucket of ammo. I'm much more likely to hunker down at home than bug out.
    3. If I'm on foot, it's already really, really bad. My wife can't walk any meaningful distance (motorcycle injury). Maybe 500 rounds of .22LR with the rifle in hand and pistol on hip.
     
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    Hey Metaldog.I agree.I carry three 30 Round(223/5.56 NATO)P Mags plus one 40 round PMag.Not sure if it's enough for a major buck out situation but it makes a big difference anyway.
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    Ammo is like firewood. You never have enough.
     
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    Cops whom presumably train at least once a month can burn through a thousand rounds of ammo and not hit the perp .
    So if the potential is several thousand hungry blood thirsty people , you need a billion rounds. for the first day.
     
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    If I shot as much as I should, I'd stock around a thousand rounds for each of my "business" firearms. Since I don't, the only one that comes close is my air rifle. I have what could reasonably be considered a "lifetime supply" of pellets for it.

    My circumstances are such that hunting in a preparedness context is pretty much out of the question unless we're talking squirrels, raccoons, rabbits and other "city fauna."

    The rest of my firearms are entirely for defense/offense; keeping this in mind, I have two metrics as above - one for training, and one for "when those unexpected guests show up."

    Training ammo is a money pit. We should probably stock at least a year's worth at an accelerated pace of shooting.

    As for "working" ammo, there are a couple ways to calculate it:
    1) One day's worth of ammo for every 90 days' worth of food put by, "day's worth" being defined as the basic load for that weapon.
    2) However many firefights you think you can survive.

    The basic load for typical weapons is (or was) close to this:
    o Pistol - one box of 50 cartridges (3 magazines +/-)
    o Revolver - 18 cartridges (six in gun, 12 in pouch)
    o Shotgun - 24 rds 00buck (2 pouches of 12 shells ea.)
    o Bolt-action Rifle - 80-180 cartridges (40-90 in pouches, remainder in pack)
    o Semi-auto Rifle, .30cal - 180 cartridges (100 in magazines, rest in pack)
    o Semi-auto Rifle, 5.56mm - 210 cartridges (7 magazines)

    Bear in mind this is only for planning purposes and it is the load a soldier typically carries if they aren't expecting immediate trouble - if action is imminent, they will carry as much as they can get their hands on and good commanders will lay in a great deal for resupply.

    For my planning, I reckon I can survive at least three such encounters; and when you think about it, when's the last time you ever heard of anyone anywhere going through this much ammo in a non-military context? Remember it's not the bullet "with your name on it" you need to worry about, but rather all the ones addressed "To Whom It May Concern."

    gvi
     
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    More more....buy more!
     
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    That's a big presumption. I know cops who only shoot when they qualify annually.
     
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    I have a couple hundred 12 gauge shells (mostly 7s, a few dozen slugs, and maybe 50 4s), 200 rounds of .243, and 1300 rounds of 5.56

    I just bought and tested my CMMG .22LR conversion for my AR.....holy crap is that fun!! I found Federal .22LR for about 4.5c/round, so I bought 5000 rounds. I suspect I'll be burning through them at a pretty good rate this summer. (I do have another 3k of "better" Federal .22 for my Ruger American bolt and Henry lever).

    I hope I'm done buying for a while.....
     
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    Dear OP:

    Please delete this thread at the request of my wife. Every time I see it, I read it. Every time I read it, I buy more ammunition.

    I have been informed green ammo cans are difficult to Fung shway or whatever the hell that is....
     
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    FWIW....the metal ammo cans at Harbor Freight are a pretty good deal when you get them with a coupon for $12 a piece.
     
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    Eventually we all will die anyway, even without poop hitting the fan
     
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    During the Vietnam war the average rounds fired per kill was around 50,000. You should avoid any kind of sustained firefight like the plague. Eventually you will be burned out of your fortress or drone strikes, artilleried, or suicide bombed. Plan your ammo for escape and ambush tactics and resupply off the fools that try to follow you
     
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    Which online retailers are you using?
    With Cabelas and CT in town, and wholesale sports long gone, it limits our choices...
     
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    GoTenda.com has the best prices by far. I got 5000 rounds of Blazer .22lr for $299 and 1500 rounds of surplus 7.62x39 for $380 , included free shipping (over $300).
    I ordered it Monday , it shipped Tuesday and I had it Friday ,Ontario to Alberta 4 days shipped with canpar.
    There’s also TheAmmoSource which has a good selection but higher prices.
     
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    Thanks for the info, I will check those out.
     

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