How to live through a natural disaster and how not to the aftermath of Hurricane Michael

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    Yes the are 2x6 and the plates are on every stud top plate and bottom plate. We call the hurricane clips but the purpose is to prevent uplift in a hurricane or tornado. The idea is the house is tied together from the footer to the trusses. Additional clips go on each truss end. I choose 2x6 for the greater strength and insulation space. It’s wild to see triple 2x12 window headers.
     
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    Something else happened pretty awesome today. In my agency we have been substantially underpaid for years and today everyone received a raise. Mine was the largest raise I’ve ever gotten at 10%. I’m am very thankful for this blessing. As I said previously the Lord gives and he takes away, this time he has given so much.

    I have learned that in this disaster those who lost everything are better off than those with damaged homes. Insurance companies seem to pay out a total loss quickly whereas those with damage are having a terrible time getting anything. If they do get money the repair rates are insane and the work is often shoddy. So I am thankful I lost my home as strange as that may sound.

    Because I lost my home I had the financial means to help my little brother get a home of his own. He was paying 1500 a month for a one bedroom now he has a 2x2 house for half the payment. He moved in a week ago and his first child is due next month. I’ve also replaced a front door and done other work for him that I would not have had time for if I was repairing my own home. My grandfather, who passed, helped me the same way when I first got married and though he is gone now I’m sure he would want it to be the same my brother. I am thankful I lost my home. The Lord gives abundantly and takes away mercifully, blessed be the Lord.

    Being the only member of management to loose my home has allowed me to have much stronger relationships with my fellow employees who are in the same boat. It also helps me to relate when I see them struggling along and get them back on track. I work with amazing people. I’m thankful I lost my home.


    Are you alone or is He carrying you?
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    We use those up north too, also called hurricane clips.

    2x6 is world's above 2x4 walls. We often build with 2x8 here and use dense packed cellulose insulation. We will get a wall up to the R-40's and ceilings up in the R-60's. Air sealing is huge for efficiency up here. Maybe down south it might not be as important? Not sure how that would come into play in a high humidity area.

    It's very interesting for me to see your house coming together. Keep the progress coming. :)
     
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    He is certainly carrying you. Your positive attitude is a blessing to many.
     
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    Oh, hey, congrats on the huge raise! That's pretty substantial. Good things are coming your way my friend!:)
     
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    @gohammergo Speaking if sealing the envelope we are using spray foam in the attic on this one. It definitely costs more but from my reading and discussion with others it’s worth the money. I used it I’m the cabin I built and I’m very happy.
     
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    The rest of the walls were framed up today and squared. It’s really starting to take some shape.

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    Trusses are on site and ready to go
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    My son left a couple messages on the house.

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    Today was another great day, I took off work to watch the trusses be set. I timed the crew at just under two minutes per truss from the ground till the crane went back for another. We also suffers a great loss yesterday as they took out my in-laws bathrooms ending out access to a porcelain toilet. This loss can not be understated.

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    Why did the bathroom have to go?
     
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    In addition to replacing, windows, Sheetrock, roof, insulation, floors from damage they are making the bathrooms more accessible to help as they get older.
     
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    That makes perfect sense. When my parents built their newer house many years ago, they had 36" door ways, etc., in anticipation of advancing age related concerns, i.e.. wheelchair access. Thanks, your new home is looking good.
     
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    Looking good. Roof should be sheathed today. :)
     
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    Rain posed some delays for me, and I took a four day weekend to visit family in Virginia but the house is finally all sheathed in.

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    The trip to North Carolina was supposed to be to shop for furniture but that fell through after the place we went was a dump. Having days before we flew home we decided to visit family in Southwest Virginia. We had a wonderful time and on the way back we stopped in Mount Airy where Andy Griffin was filmed.

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    thanks again for all the updates and sharing your progress.
     
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    Here are some updated pictures, it is almost dried in and the plumber started yesterday as well. I used to be scared or pet tubing but I used it in my cabin several years ago and it has been flawless. I really like this new system that lets you turn off individual areas.

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    From what I see of the framing, they are doing a great job. Is there a hurricane clip missing above the window header? Or do they out some on the exterior too?

    I sure like that water system manifold too. Are they installing individual shutoffs at each faucet and toilet too?
     
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    It’s missing, good eye. Each fixture gets a valve at its location also making it simple to isolate a problem. The framing overall looks very good, they got a punch list from the contractor yesterday. Not bad for four guys with a skillsaw and two nail guns. So far they have 7 days on the job site.
     
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    Windows are coming off the truck now

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    That's exciting stuff. I love it. Wish I was down there right now helping out. :)
     
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    Spray foam is the way to go. Not only does it give excellent value per inch, but adds tons of structural rigidity. I can't remember the stats right now, but when I spoke with the insulation guys about doing my place they said it would increase the strength of the roof system by about 25%. I am a big fan of the closed cell foam. Open cell foam on the other hand is, in my opinion, one of the worst things to ever hit the market.
     
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    My parents live on the west side of Panama City and they got very lucky the east side is a war zone.....still. Glad you and your family are ok.
     
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    Thank you, I’m sure they still saw some wild things if they stayed.
     
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    Some installed window pics

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    My cousin did. Mom and dad had been through enough hurricanes to know to get the hell out. They were at my house in Tn a week before landfall.
     
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    Here are some window Picts with specs

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    Some other issues that I am seeing currently. Bugs are unreal currently especially mosquitoes and no seeums. I can only guess with all the rain and blow down they are breeding like crazy. They come to my tractor like magnet making it no fun to operate it. This crop are not even effected by wind like normal. The heat also seems more unbearable perhaps because there is no shade.

    Humanity is also getting somewhat worse. We are seeing more shootings and violent crimes going on as well.
     
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    I like the vinyl windows. That's about all I will use now. Then I can do the jambs any way I want. :)
     
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    No new pictures but a word of warning. From 1:30 to 4:00 it had rained about 3.5 inches. All of the ditches are full of trees and such still and everything is flooding. About 3pm I think it sounds like hail on the barn. For those just joining we live in a barn currently. I go to the barn door to investigate and put my hand on the frame so as to stay back from the rain as it falls. I open the door to find it’s just rain, no hail. As I go to close the door I get hit hard, then I hear the thunderclap. Being barefoot and holding the metal frame I got an indirect lightning strike. It felt like a really strong grab on a 120v circuit for those who have experienced that. My arm and neck are still very sore but thankfully I wasn’t burned anywhere. My Seiko mechanical watch still works and I am thankful that’s all that happened. I told my son who was home and called my mom next door in case anything else developed but as I guessed nothing has. Curiosity killed the cat and it about got me, lesson learned.
     
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    Wow! Glad you are okay, stay safe friend.
     
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    ^ This.
     
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    You really got to watch out for yourself! Glad you are ok. I have shook hands with a live wire before, and I know what it feels like.
     
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    Feeling really down tonight, I miss my home and the life we had before this mess. Although I’m glad to have a new home under construction replacing things with other things gives me no joy or excitement. My wife doesn’t understand and I really don’t either but it’s just no fun. All this picking out paint and cabinets etc should be exciting but alas it is just stressful. I just want to go home and sit on the couch with the dog for one more evening. I made the mistake of thinking about it which I regret but it happens sometimes late at night. So my advice is don’t dwell in the past it hurts too much.
     
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    You'll get through this.

    You've done an admirable job so far.

    You don't have control of the weather, but, you have control of your mind. Occupy it with something else. Keep the dog and sofa idea as a goal. You'll achieve it.
     
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    I agree tomorrow is a new day, just working my way through the end of today. I figure it better to be honest than make everything seem like roses all the time. Thanks for the encouragement.
     
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    You have every right to feel down sometimes. I have to say you have had a helluva load on you for a long time. Too long. But you are on the uphill swing now, and as things in the new place start getting finished and it becomes your home instead of a job site, life will be sweet again.

    Right now your world is not yours because of the guys working on your house, and not having things settled down. It will come back, mostly. There will probably be times you get a pang for what you had that is now gone.

    I lost nearly everything I owned in a fire back in either 87 or 89. I can't remember which now. I still occasionally think of something that I had that was destroyed and get queesy in my stomach.

    It's a healthy emotion to have. In fact, I think I'd find it worrisome if you didn't feel like this at times. I really appreciate your honesty about this and the fact that you shared it is a really good sign.

    You have my utmost respect, my friend.
     
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    You have my utmost respect, my friend
     
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    Your new house stands. Your family is well. In short time you will make lots of new memories in your new home.
    Keep fighting brother!
     
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    Thanks to all those with words of encouragement they help more than you will ever know. Electrical will be done this week along with plumbing and gas. This weekend I will install wire for Poe security cameras.
     
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    Pinelogcreek,

    Thank you for sharing your story. It’s important for people to understand what these storms are like, and what the aftermath is like. I grew up in the FL Keys (mm 89) and we always stowed canned and dry goods, filled the tub and trash cans with water. Then we went to the shelters. I visited the Keys in around 2000/2001 and was surprised to still see enormous piles of debris from Andrew. Recovery takes a very long time.

    Now I’m in Tallahassee with my own family and in-laws down the street. We did much of the same prep work you did, minus the storm shutters. We were ready to load the 4 kids, dog, extra gas and take both vehicles north, but the track kept going west so we stayed. I spent the days after the storm running a chainsaw in my yard and in three neighbors’ yards. People cruised the neighborhoods and helped clear roads. There were many trees down throughout my neighborhood, and we were out of power for 6 days; the 3kw Honda sipped fuel and kept our fridges running, with enough extra juice for other convenience items. My worst damage was an 8’ fence knocked over. I know we were very very lucky. I have often thought we were far enough inland that a storm would lessen significantly by the time it got to us, but Michael proved the fallacy of that thinking judging by the damage in Marianna.

    The news showed the results of Michael but largely dropped any coverage a month after the storm. I’ve been to Marianna and Falling Waters State Park. The damage is shocking.

    I’m impressed by your fortitude, and I know it couldn’t have been easy. It’s still not “easy”. Your new house will become a home as you live in it and make new memories there. I loved the story about your son sitting “in his room” explaining things to his dog. Kids have a way, don’t they? Made my eyes moist.

    Carry on sir.
     
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    Been a while since there was a nice sunrise as the sun has shifted in the sky but this morning was beautiful.

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    The house should be dried in today. This means rough in plumbing, electrical, windows and exterior doors all in. I added cat6 cable for POE security cameras this weekend. Overall things are progressing nicely. The lighting has been ordered and flooring is the only thing left to decide on. What I can’t wait on is green grass you never realize how cool green grass is until everything is brown. Hopefully the rain will break off, last week in 48 hours we got 14 inches. We have averaged 1”-3” per day for the last couple weeks.

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    Looking great! Praying Dorian turns north!
     
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    Me too and fast my sister is in Savannah. I don’t think anywhere in this country needs anymore natural disasters right now. Hopefully this storm will not develop much.
     
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    Looking good! What are you using for roofing and siding?

    What is covering the roof sheathing now?
    Is that just synthetic roof wrap or did they put ice and water shield on too? I realize that ice damming probably isn't a big issue in Florida, but not sure if it is required due to the amount of rain you get. Up here, it's required to run it six feet up from the eaves. We have started doing that whole roof with it. It costs a bit more but it adds so much to the integrity of the job.
     
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    The roof will be painted metal and what’s up there now is just synthetic roll sheathing. The outside will be brick up to the window sills and James Hardie lap siding above that. I had good luck with the Hardie board on my old barn and looking around town it withstood the storm well. The best part is unlike the brick on my old house I can repair it myself easily. I’ve seen ice once in my 43 years so no that’s not a requirement here. You can’t even find the peel and stick to purchase without ordering it.
     
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    Since hurricane season is still going I broke out my Ham radio and applied some of my new, post storm knowledge tonight. Using a Baofeng handheld and a Ed Fong style antenna I was able to make contact with a gentleman in Palm Beach County who was using a Broward County repeater on UHF . Not to shabby for 50 bucks worth of gear. We were using a statewide system know as SAR net which links repeaters covering almost all of Florida. I am also going to participate in an ARES exercise Saturday morning.
     
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    Nice. I haven't used any radios in years, but I see the prices have come down considerably since then.
     
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