I’m good, but... a 40 liter recommendation?

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  1. BradGad

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    I’m good... got a couple packs that get the job done. Actually, they both get their specific jobs done very well.

    But, does anyone have a recommendation for something in the 40 liter range that might satisfy someone who has a foot in both the (quasi) ultralight world and the bushcrafting world?

    Deal breaker: has to have a pocket or place for the Heavy Cover titanium canteen and mess kit pot.
     
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    Gossamer Gear Kumo. It's what I use. Super versatile, well laid out, more durable that DCF packs, dettachable waistbelt that is actually load bearing, large side pockets for your cook kit.

    I'm a pack hound, but I've stopped looking for new packs since I got the Kumo.
     
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    Hmmm... definitely a possibility
     
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    Granite Gear has a pack called the Leopard; it's geared towards ice climbing and mountaineering, so there are a few bells and whistles that help a bushcrafter out. I've been very happy with mine. I think it's technically 46 liters, though.
     
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    I was thinking the Gorilla 40

    This too!
     
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    The gorilla a lot of people didnt like because they made the neck just enough smaller to be a PITA. Also doesn't have the mesh shoulder pockets which are a game changer. Hold a liter of water a piece, feels great off your shoulders.. or big enough to fit a camera or note 8 and some snacks

    Thinking on it, the kimonos frameless and the gorilla I think has a removable aluminum frame. Gorilla is better for heavy leads
     
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    Wow same question here. I just did Ray Mears Fundamental course and had the largest heaviest pack, seriously I felt a bit embarrassed. I've got a Kifaru 14'r and I'm going to try to pare down my kit to fit in that with two side pockets. That'll come in with a volume of 49L. I made a webbing 'pouch' for my titanium canteen that fits on the belt nicely.
     
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    That Mystery Ranch is looking pretty good... tho it’s tad on the heavy side.

    There’s a place near here... not an outlet exactly, I guess an overstock store that sells gear, often at about 40% off retail. I’ve seen Mystery Ranch there. I think I’ll go by when I get off work at noon and see if they have the 40. It’s the kind of place where if they have what you want you need to jump on it then.
     
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    The MR Coulee 40 isn't an UL pack nor even close at 3.9 lbs. It's actually considerably heavier than my 'big' pack which is a Seek Outside Unaweep 4800.

    I looked at some of the UL packs, but was not too sure about the minimalist frames and suspensions. I'm sure they are great for a true UL guy, but I'm not one.

    I use the Coulee 40 generally with loads in the 10-30 lb range, and I think that is where it shines. Great for a day of field shooting, or glassing where you need to carry optics, tripods, ammo, etc, along with some food, water, minimal shelter, and maybe an extra layer of clothing.

    I like the big outer stuff pockets, and the Y-zipper for easy access into the main bag.
     
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    nearer the UL end of the scale- Elemental Horizons Aduro- choose the 200d Dyneema and optional frame for a sturdy pack UL pack

    more towards the other end- Stone Glacier Avail, bombproof, removable frame for lighter loads
     
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    Kinda has that "goin to Europe and stay in hostels" feel to it IMO. But yah, for $40...

    Do you have an LL Bean Continental Ruck yet?
    The side pockets are amazing. Fits any canteen kit easy, or a 10x10 BCO Silnylon with ridgeline and stakes. I can even fit a SMD Lunar Solo in one.
    33L is conservative volume on that pack. Tons of load out posts here and vids on Youtube.
     
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    Your large pack will serve you well for winter outings, carrying hunting/fishing gear, climbing expeditions, or longer journeys. I have slowed down some this past year, but I did use an 80 liter Gregory Palisade on a December deer hunt in the Pisgah National Forest off of the S. Mills River. I also brought a fly rod. We encountered a bit of snow and a fair amount of rain. No deer of fish. However, a bear and I surprised each other. 025.JPG
     
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    OK, so I went by the overstock place near work... they *did* have the Mystery Ranch.

    $130 brand new... that’s $100 off retail, so I pulled the trigger. (Plus I had a $70 credit with that store.)

    My interest in ultralight isn’t for ultralight’s own sake... it’s just that when you’re continuously refining your set up towards minimalism (or to have the option to go minimalist when you want to), you want to see a pay off in terms of final base weight.

    I just transferred my three-season load to the MR. Looks like base weight of 17.3 lbs... I can live that!

    So, it isn’t ultralight and it isn’t maxpedition. What I really think it will be (haven’t taken it anywhere yet of course, so this is theory) is a great all-arounder... a “go anywhere do anything “ pack. It wouldn’t be crazy to take it on a long day hike and it wouldn’t be crazy to use it on a thru-hike. I think it may well excel at everything in between.

    Now begins the endless and endlessly enjoyable process of refining my gear list and packing system to mate just so with this pack
     
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    Nice grab! That’s a great price!
     
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    As you’ll see above I went with the Mystery Ranch, but I’m really glad I learned about Elemental Horizons... really neat little (i.e. one-man) company.

    There might still be a UL pack in my future.
     
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    I don’t think you’ll be disappointed with the Mystery Ranch- I own several of their packs and all perform flawlessly. I even have a couple of his older Dana Designs ones and they are still going strong :)
     
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    The store is called Mission Source. It’s in Cumming Georgia. Any of y’all in North Georgia or Metro Atlanta should check it out if you’re in the area.

    It’s hit or miss, but often some great deals.
     
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    I love my kelty Redwing50, and I believe they offer it in a range of sizes from 30 on up, 40+, 50+ etc..
     
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    Nice snag for $130!

    I got mine for $171 at Moosejaw.com
     
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    they have it listed at $229 online. how did you get $130?..
     
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    You just have to go to the store. It’s a weird but great store. Really hard to find... buried in the middle of an expansive office park.
     
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    You want to go on days when Ryan and his dog are on duty.
     
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    ok, how come? did you get a special deal from Ryan?

    or his dog?.. :4:

    I'm not far from there. I'll probably swing by on Monday..
     
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    Yeah, swing by... Ryan and I don’t have any special relationship, just met him yesterday... but I do know that sometimes the prices vary somehow depending on who’s there. I think Ryan is the main guy though, and he knows gear.

    Great selection of packs... think they have sleeping bags too at the same kind of prices but not sure (wasn’t looking for a bag). A limited but good selection of things like head lamps, cookware. Lots of outer wear but the price break is not (often) as good. Good selection of footwear but again I’m not sure of the price break.

    If there’s an old yellow Lab in the store... won’t be there when you first walk in but will amble out at some point... you’re good. So, browse for a while.
     
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    MWAHAHAHA!

    Here's the Mystery Ranch loaded with my regular gear and one of my old packs loaded with an extra down quilt, sleeping pad, sit pad, pot, cup, bowl, spoon, and food for my youngest son.

    Gonna haul his iPhone-addicted butt into the car at 6:30 in the morning and head to the Chestatee Wildlife Management Area for an overnighter.

    How's that for some frackin' quick packin' backpackin' action? :)

    Buy it, pack it, go! Bam!
     
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    I love my GG Gorilla. I have had neck and back issues, and the Gorilla never gave it a problem. The newer ones might be a bit more durable. The 2017 model is currently on sale.
     
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    @ra2bach ..... ??? Did you go by? Any luck? Any thoughts?
     
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    yes, I went by today and met Ryan and his dog. unfortunately, the Coulee has a non-detatchable waistbelt. I was looking for an EDC bag with water bottle pockets but no waistbelt to replace the Urban Assault Pack I just got and this won't work. the search continues...
     
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    May be too late to do you any good but I recently learned that the belt on the Coulee IS removable. Easily removable and replaceable.
     
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    ah, that's interesting. I went ahead and bought Mystery Ranch Front because it satisfies the bottle pocket without waist belt issue but I'm still not enamored with the external pals webbing.

    I'm going to return the Front and continue looking for something to replace my MR Urban Assault. perhaps the Coulee would work...
     
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    Good luck... I never thought about removing the hip belt but now that I know about it I may end up using the pack a bit more. You’re right: with a light load or for travel they’re not needed and they do get in the way.

    You just undo the buckle and pull each half out through a sleeve.

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    I'm a big fan of Gregory packs. The Gregory Z40 has been with me through everything from section hikes to vacations in Europe and Asia. The fit is perfect for me, but I think that's the most crucial aspect of choosing a pack - finding the design that is best suited for your body. Unfortunately, there is no way to know without trying it out in person.
     
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    yeah that looks easy enough. my issue with a belt is strictly as an EDC bag. I don't want straps or a belt flopping around every time I set it down yet I know for hiking or hunting, etc., having a waist strap to secure it from swaying is a good thing.

    but it's not like I'm running out of packs around here... :54:
     
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    In that ball park size, and straddling the line, I would have suggested the ... https://www.granitegear.com/crown2-38.html. if I saw the the thread sooner.

    The 38 liter rating is for the main compartment, not counting the roll top collar, lid, hip belt pockets or stretch pockets. You can wear the lid like a chest rig and still keep your gear well compressed from the top due to the roll-top closure. Also with just a quick hack you can turn the lid into a lumbar pack using the packs removeable hip belt. So get to camp, drop your pack, set up, make your lumbar pack and go get your water, forage, gather fire wood and tinder etc.
     
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    Kelty Redwing, either in 32 or 44L size.
    Side pockets for canteens, and a well thought out admin panel for small stuff.
    Lightweight, but can handle some bushwhacking and offtrail hiking.
     
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    I have experienced one issue with Kelty packs (I have the Redwing 50), that comes in two parts.
    1. The liter rating is for the entire pack, not simply the main bucket.
    2. With 1 in mind there is to much organization putting a lot of the cargo space into small we pockets that lead to inefficient storage.

    In 3 season I try to have a relatively minimalist load out, but even so unless one were to strap some of the bigger items to the out side of the pack you would be hard pressed to fit 3 days worth of food in the pack along with everything else. This was a product of the 2 things above.
     
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    I'm sure this has been resolved by now ? I'm new to anything veybey Mil-Surplus I recently purchased my first name brand pack a Gregory and I absolutely love it . Nothing to compare it to in my arsenal but it's 40L and carries like a dream .
     
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    Gregory is a classic high end pack maker known for comfort. Hearing you like it doesn't surprise me. I've heard lots of folks say they picked something else for all sorts of reasons weight, features etc., but I don't ever think I've heard anyone claim that a good fitting gregory was uncomfortable.
    There are dozens of other pack makers out there making 1,000s of different designs that are all a little different, but if you find something you really like,... its "job done" in my opinion.
     
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    Yeah I've had the redwing too, Its nifty, but I wouldnt recomend anything smaller than the 50 liter for camping. I could see their 32 liter maybe being a nice daypack, but their are a lot of other options in the daypack market.
     
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    Any who are interested in MR packs and lives reasonably close to North Georgia really should check out the place where I got this... Mission Source in Alpharetta, GA, on Shiloh Road. I was in there today and they just got a big delivery of Mystery Ranch packs... too many choices to put everything in the showroom. Always brand new, 40% off retail.

    Weird little store, but very much worth checking out if you’re in striking distance.
     
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    36 liter pack and a 20degree or colder trip, plus windchill. That includes a saw and cook kit and more clothes, etc...

    Gossamer Gear Kumo
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    ^ I like your fording technique :D

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    :50: ::fist bump::

    Great minds
     
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    Yeah when I said "I wouldnt recommend anything smaller than the 50 liter", I was talking specifically about kelty redwings, their configuration is a lot different than the kumo,...larger percentage of capacity in the main compartment and a top loader you can cram if needed etc.
     
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    I do both ultralight backpacking and winter hot tent backpacking. I use a large Osprey Exos 38. The large is 40L. I can carry my all my gear including my stove and 5 days of food in it. My tent is strapped to the bottom. Hot tenting kicks me out of UL range but my base wait with the tent and stove is 12 pounds. My winter base without the stove and hot tent is 8 pounds
     
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    Yeah I do! Haha
     
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